"SÃ¥ndor, the Gypsy Baron" wrote in message
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    > jobbahut wrote:
    > >We had plans to travel to Germany. We
    > > cancelled them. Not because of a terroist, but
    > > for political reasons. We do not support with
    > > our dollars those countries that oppose the
    > > US when we agree with what the US is doing
    > > and what the UN ought to be doing.
    > We feel we are good Americans, but we strongly oppose the war. We plan
    > to go ahead with the vacation we scheduled--which includes both France
    > and Germany. We find both the countries and people beautiful.
    > We hope and pray our dollars support peace, not war. Perhaps the
    > Germans and French know first hand something about war that you do not
    > know.
    > Sandor

And perhaps not, Sandor. Perhaps they know more about contracts with Saddam
Hussein than they know about securing world peace or supporting UN
resolutions.

rg

"John Stolz" wrote in message
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    > rg wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Joe" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Hello,
    > > >
    > > > I have plans to travel to Europe (I'm from the US) on March 24 to
arrive
    > > > back April 17. I'm somewhat worried about how this potential war with
    > > Iraq
    > > > can affect plans. How are many of the rest of you planning around
this
    > or
    > > > are you still going ahead and travelling?
    > > >
    > > > Joe
    > >
    > > We had plans to travel to Germany. We cancelled them. Not because of a
    > > terroist, but for political reasons. We do not support with our dollars
    > > those countries that oppose the US when we agree with what the US is
doing
    > > and what the UN ought to be doing.
    > >
    > > rg
    > >
    > >
    > Well I hope you eventually find a country with whom you agree
wholeheartedly
    > on absolutly everything. Then you can go visit. Until then I guess
you'll
    > just have to stay at home.
    > Who do you think you've hurt?

Hopefully, the Germans and the French.

rg

"rg" wrote in message
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    > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >
    > > rg wrote:
    > > >
    > > > "Joe" wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Hello,
    > > > >
    > > > > I have plans to travel to Europe (I'm from the US) on March 24 to
    > arrive
    > > > > back April 17. I'm somewhat worried about how this potential war
with
    > > > Iraq
    > > > > can affect plans. How are many of the rest of you planning around
    > this or
    > > > > are you still going ahead and travelling?
    > > > >
    > > > > Joe
    > > >
    > > > We had plans to travel to Germany. We cancelled them. Not because of
a
    > > > terroist, but for political reasons. We do not support with our
dollars
    > > > those countries that oppose the US when we agree with what the US is
    > doing
    > > > and what the UN ought to be doing.
    > >
    > > Good! (It's narrow-minded bigots like you who give Americans a bad
    > > name, abroad.)
    > >
    > > >
    > > > rg
    > If that is what you think I am then so be it. But I , and my money will
not
    > for a long time to come support in any way, fashion, shape or form
anything
    > French.
    > The French have hated Americans for far too long.
    > I am also in favor of digging up the thousands of American servicemen
buried
    > on French soil from WW2 and bringing them home!
    > rg
    > I take it then that you will be digging up the French who supported us
during the Revolutionary War and shipping them back?

Alex

"Alex Starke" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "rg" wrote in message
    > news:m1t8a.68877$F%[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > rg wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > "Joe" wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > Hello,
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I have plans to travel to Europe (I'm from the US) on March 24 to
    > > arrive
    > > > > > back April 17. I'm somewhat worried about how this potential war
    > with
    > > > > Iraq
    > > > > > can affect plans. How are many of the rest of you planning around
    > > this or
    > > > > > are you still going ahead and travelling?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Joe
    > > > >
    > > > > We had plans to travel to Germany. We cancelled them. Not because
of
    > a
    > > > > terroist, but for political reasons. We do not support with our
    > dollars
    > > > > those countries that oppose the US when we agree with what the US is
    > > doing
    > > > > and what the UN ought to be doing.
    > > >
    > > > Good! (It's narrow-minded bigots like you who give Americans a bad
    > > > name, abroad.)
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > rg
    > >
    > > If that is what you think I am then so be it. But I , and my money will
    > not
    > > for a long time to come support in any way, fashion, shape or form
    > anything
    > > French.
    > >
    > > The French have hated Americans for far too long.
    > >
    > > I am also in favor of digging up the thousands of American servicemen
    > buried
    > > on French soil from WW2 and bringing them home!
    > >
    > > rg
    > >
    > > I take it then that you will be digging up the French who supported us
    > during the Revolutionary War and shipping them back?
    > Alex

If the French believe that we have forsaken them in their time of need and
wish to come dig up their brethren , assuming there are any, then that is
certainly their prerogative.

Your statement shows a lack of understanding of the direction of the
position.

rg

"rg" wrote in message
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    > "Alex Starke" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "rg" wrote in message
    > > news:m1t8a.68877$F%[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in
message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > rg wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Joe" wrote in message
    > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > Hello,
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I have plans to travel to Europe (I'm from the US) on March 24
to
    > > > arrive
    > > > > > > back April 17. I'm somewhat worried about how this potential
war
    > > with
    > > > > > Iraq
    > > > > > > can affect plans. How are many of the rest of you planning
around
    > > > this or
    > > > > > > are you still going ahead and travelling?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Joe
    > > > > >
    > > > > > We had plans to travel to Germany. We cancelled them. Not
because
    > of
    > > a
    > > > > > terroist, but for political reasons. We do not support with our
    > > dollars
    > > > > > those countries that oppose the US when we agree with what the US
is
    > > > doing
    > > > > > and what the UN ought to be doing.
    > > > >
    > > > > Good! (It's narrow-minded bigots like you who give Americans a bad
    > > > > name, abroad.)
    > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > rg
    > > >
    > > > If that is what you think I am then so be it. But I , and my money
will
    > > not
    > > > for a long time to come support in any way, fashion, shape or form
    > > anything
    > > > French.
    > > >
    > > > The French have hated Americans for far too long.
    > > >
    > > > I am also in favor of digging up the thousands of American servicemen
    > > buried
    > > > on French soil from WW2 and bringing them home!
    > > >
    > > > rg
    > > >
    > > > I take it then that you will be digging up the French who supported us
    > > during the Revolutionary War and shipping them back?
    > >
    > > Alex
    > If the French believe that we have forsaken them in their time of need and
    > wish to come dig up their brethren , assuming there are any, then that is
    > certainly their prerogative.
    > Your statement shows a lack of understanding of the direction of the
    > position.
    > rg
    > And quite a narrow position it is.

Alex

    >"Joe" wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> Hello,
    >> I have plans to travel to Europe (I'm from the US) on March 24 to arrive
    >> back April 17. I'm somewhat worried about how this potential war with
    >Iraq
    >> can affect plans. How are many of the rest of you planning around this or
    >> are you still going ahead and travelling?
    >> Joe
    >Don't let fear rule your life buddy, you may get hit by a bus tomorrow. Get
    >over there and enjoy!
    >Alex
    >Frank Clarke wrote:
    >>On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 03:39:07 GMT, [email protected] (Irwell) wrote:
    >>>Congrats to the Swiss on winning the Americas Cup
    >>>in sailing.
    >>>Should be a winner for some European port when
    >>>the next contest is held.
    >>How does a land-locked country compete in (much less -win-) the
    >>Americas Cup?

Landlocked maybe, but that plus its rugged and small territory has pushed the Swiss to
become commercially very active in world markets (Switzerland relies more on its exports than
on the much-propagated financial sector). Not only watches, but pharmaceutical products,
high-precision machinery, electronics. food products etc. are among the most famous
products manufactured in Switzerland for markets allover the globe Who has made the most
famous engines that powered large pcean steamers: Sulzer of Switzerland. Who know the
exact number of commercial oceangoing steamship companies with HQ in Switzerland (not to
be mixed-up with flags of convenience)?
    >For some years now, the boats in the America's Cup haven't been much of a
    >reflection of the country they "represent" (with the possible exception of
    >New Zealand, which has an astounding number of masterful sailors,
    >considering its size.)
A totally different picture was given on Swiss TV tonight: the design of the boat basically
originated in the Swiss Federal Politechnical College in Lausanne, one of the world's leading
technical colleges. A number of components were made of recent.technology composite
materials; the solidity and strength of the parts were a major advantage over the NZ boat. and,
last but not least, the boat(s) was (were) built in Morges, Switzerland, on the shores of Lake
Geneva, one of the largest (is it THE largest?) European sweetwater basins with a total length
of more than 80 km (50 miles).
As for Berterelli's billions: he is a top CEO of one of Switzerland's leading pharmaceutical
companies. And this management from the idea through project implementationt up to the
participation to win the world's most prestigious cup is at the source of this success and is
named Ernesto Bertarelli. As such, he also selected the best men, among which this fantastic
skipper Russell Scoutts.
All this costs money, I don't think that the Swiss invested more than NZ or some other
participants in the recent past. To participate in such a challenge costs a lot of moeny - just like
in formula 1 car racing - but the returns to technology and science are important as well. And it
is paid for by private investors. Much more pleasing to taxpayers and more ethical to the
winning nation than progress made over dead bodies by a government war machinery.
Please overlook the last sentence, it has nothing to do with the fascinating sport that sailing is.

    >For example, the equipment manufacturers are now international corporations
    >who will design for, andsell to, anyone. IIRC, the hulls on both boats in
    >the finals (and most of the others) were engineered by companies
    >headquartered in the U.S.

Think again and read my comments above.

Likewise the sails, rigging, etc. Key personnel
    >are recruited without much consideration of their nationality. (Again,
    >with the exception of the New Zealanders.)

Is nationality any valid qualification in a winning team?
    >I _think_ the only Swiss thing about the winning boat was the billionare
    >(an accomplished sailor, to be fair) who organized and financed the
    >effort, and served as navigator in the races. He had the good sense to
    >"buy" the five key New Zealanders (professional racers) who won the last
    >two Cups, including the world's foremost match racer as helmsman. Other
    >crew were from various countries.
Now to the point: Who financed the NZ boat(s) and crew? Was it really cheaper than the Swiss
venture?

    >I expect Saudi Arabia to be the holder of the cup sometime in the next
    >twenty years. :-)

So what....?
    >Maybe it's just a rationalization, but I think maybe this change is a good
    >thing, since it's one more thing that won't have quite so much national
    >jingoism associated with it.

Thanks, on this point we seem to agree

In article , rg
writes
    >We have decided to air travel to Florida and then take a cruise to the
    >Bahamas instead.
    >So, we will spend our money, and we will spend most of it in or near the US.
    >But that is just the tip of the iceberg. My intention is to show the French
    >and the Germans that they stand to lose more from Americans than they do
    >from their oil contracts with Saddam Hussein. And they are probably going
    >to lose those contracts with SH anyway so now they will lose on two fronts.

Do you honestly believe that the French and Germans will even know what
you are doing? Are you so important?

Never mind, anyway. We will not be making our annual month long trip to
the USA this year. Instead we shall be going to France for 6 weeks.
Magnifique!
    >I hope it is the last time the French decide to vote for their pocketbooks
    >at the expense of world security.

What is a pocketbook and how does one vote for it? Does one not vote
for candidates in most countries?

    > But then, they didn't even defend their
    >own country in WWII from the Germans so I doubt if they will ever defend
    >anything from anyone.

You don't know much, do you?
    >Why did they have streetlights on the champ elyses' before WW2? So the
    >Germans could see where they were marching.
    >rg
With attitudes like this, why even contemplate visiting Europe? Stay in
your cosy little comfort zone.
--
Marie Lewis

In article , rg
writes
    >Yes, miguel. I make it on a country by country basis. I feel those countries
    >that "should and ought" to be supporting and are not doing so should be
    >especially singled out for criticism.
    >rg
Are countries not allowed to make up their on collective minds?
--
Marie Lewis

In article , rg
writes
    >I am also in favor of digging up the thousands of American servicemen buried
    >on French soil from WW2 and bringing them home!
Now I know you are unbalanced.
--
Marie Lewis

In article , rg
writes
    >> Who do you think you've hurt?
    >Hopefully, the Germans and the French.
    >rg


They won't even know.
--
Marie Lewis

On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:30:32 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "rg"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... Yes, miguel. I make it on a country by country basis. I feel those countries
... that "should and ought" to be supporting and are not doing so should be
... especially singled out for criticism.

You only want to make Europeans cry. :-ppp

Go on begging for "support" - it's so pathetic it's almost funny.

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On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:35:33 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "rg"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... I really don't know. Perhaps you could tell them for me.

They are already celebrating your absence - many read this ng. :-))

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On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:37:41 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "rg"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... >
... > Who do you think you've hurt?
...
... Hopefully, the Germans and the French.
...
... rg


ROTFL

Good riddance !

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rg wrote in message
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    > "Charles Hawtrey" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 18:12:03 GMT, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
    > >
    > > >rg wrote:
    > > >> We had plans to travel to Germany. We cancelled them. Not because
of
    > a
    > > >> terroist, but for political reasons. We do not support with our
dollars
    > > >> those countries that oppose the US when we agree with what the US is
    > doing
    > > >> and what the UN ought to be doing.
    > > >
    > > >Do you only make this determination on a country-by-country basis?
    > Because
    > > >somewhere around half of the people in the US also don't support it.
    > > >Presumably this includes the management of a lot of companies you do
    > > >business with on a daily basis.
    > >
    > > Would Iraq show even their present grudging and incomplete compliance
    > > if the US said "we're rattling our sabres but don't really intend to
    > > attack you"?
    > >
    > > Am I alone in thinking that the present situation is actually rather
    > > effective? On the one hand we have US and UK war-readiness giving
    > > Saddam motivation to disarm (even Chirac has said that Iraq is
    > > complying mainly because of US military pressure). On the other hand
    > > we have Europe and others restraining the use of this force. Sort of
    > > a "good-cop, bad-cop" arrangement. It's kind of unfortunate that the
    > > US has to take criticism for playing the bad-cop role, but that's
    > > life.
    > >
    > > With luck and the grace of God we will see eventual compliance by Iraq
    > > without war, and all the troops can come home and start a baby boom.
    > I agree.
    > The ONLY reason the inspectors are making even slight progress is because
of
    > the military camping outside SH's door. If they were to leave, the
    > inspectors would be a joke to SH. And, the military cannot stay there for
    > the 100 years it will take the inspectors to hunt and find everything.

Do you wonder why there is increasing spread of anti-Americanism?

Bush and his colleagues have done a very poor job of sellling this war to
the world at enormous cost to America and her allies. Your attitude of
"support us or else" shows your lack of appreciation for things democratic.
This is not good cop, bad cop, it is America expecting everyone to fall in
line after a few politicians made a decision to wage war on a dictator that
has been relatively well behaved of late. Why not calm down some of the
existing hotspots on the planet instead of creating new ones?
---
DFM

"Alex Starke" wrote in message news:...
    > "Joe" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Hello,
    > >
    > > I have plans to travel to Europe (I'm from the US) on March 24 to arrive
    > > back April 17. I'm somewhat worried about how this potential war with
    > Iraq
    > > can affect plans. How are many of the rest of you planning around this or
    > > are you still going ahead and travelling?
    > >
    > > Joe
    > >
    > >
    > Don't let fear rule your life buddy, you may get hit by a bus tomorrow. Get
    > over there and enjoy!
    >
    > Alex

Exactly! wouldn't it be a real bitch if you got run over by a bus
while you should have been on vacation in Europe?