Three biggest surprises in Europe
Jul 16th 2005, 12:39 pm
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Re: Three biggest surprises in Europe
*Lamoral*... The taste still lingers...<mmmm>
So does the sound the clientele made when the sole allotted keg ran dry
at the Brugse Biere... <mmmoannn>
Tim K
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> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:25:35 -0700, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
wrote:
> >> There is little similarity between US beer and Munich beer.
> >
> > I assume "Thank God!" is implied? ;-) I'm not really a
> > beer-drinker, but I think that may be the fault of American
> > beer, rather than any inated dislike of the beverage. I've
> > never had British beer, but Belgian is certainly far
> > superior to any I've had in the U.S.
> Belgian beer was definitely one of the big surprises of my first visit
to
> Europe.
> British beer is quite similar to the pale and amber ales that are so
> common on the US west coast. Most of the derogatory comments about
> American beer seem to focus on a few cheap beers and ignore the
thousands
> of other brews from smaller breweries. New Belgium even does a pretty
good
> Belgian-style triple, though it can be difficult to find in stores.
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So does the sound the clientele made when the sole allotted keg ran dry
at the Brugse Biere... <mmmoannn>
Tim K
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> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:25:35 -0700, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
wrote:
> >> There is little similarity between US beer and Munich beer.
> >
> > I assume "Thank God!" is implied? ;-) I'm not really a
> > beer-drinker, but I think that may be the fault of American
> > beer, rather than any inated dislike of the beverage. I've
> > never had British beer, but Belgian is certainly far
> > superior to any I've had in the U.S.
> Belgian beer was definitely one of the big surprises of my first visit
to
> Europe.
> British beer is quite similar to the pale and amber ales that are so
> common on the US west coast. Most of the derogatory comments about
> American beer seem to focus on a few cheap beers and ignore the
thousands
> of other brews from smaller breweries. New Belgium even does a pretty
good
> Belgian-style triple, though it can be difficult to find in stores.
> --
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Jul 16th 2005, 1:16 pm
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Re: Three biggest surprises in Europe
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:39:27 GMT, Timothy Kroesen wrote:
> *Lamoral*... The taste still lingers...<mmmm>
> So does the sound the clientele made when the sole allotted keg ran dry
> at the Brugse Biere... <mmmoannn>
One of my big surprises since returning is that everyone else ISN'T blown
away by the taste of Belgian beer. Sure, Belgian brews draw top points on
the beer snob sites, but I've been introducing it to people ever since I
got back. Most find the taste interesting (or at least they say they do),
then they go back to the same old pale & amber ales.
I've even seen bottles of Chimay blue-label left half-full. Shocking!
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> *Lamoral*... The taste still lingers...<mmmm>
> So does the sound the clientele made when the sole allotted keg ran dry
> at the Brugse Biere... <mmmoannn>
One of my big surprises since returning is that everyone else ISN'T blown
away by the taste of Belgian beer. Sure, Belgian brews draw top points on
the beer snob sites, but I've been introducing it to people ever since I
got back. Most find the taste interesting (or at least they say they do),
then they go back to the same old pale & amber ales.
I've even seen bottles of Chimay blue-label left half-full. Shocking!
--
-BB-
To e-mail me, unmunge my address
Jul 16th 2005, 6:18 pm
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Re: Three biggest surprises in Europe
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> In American parlance, frequently - I can't count the number
> of times when asking "Where's the lavatory (ladies'room,
> washroom)?" has elicited bewilderment from a store employee,
> whereas "bathroom" is immediately comprehended. ("Toilet"
> is likely to produce blushes from said employee.)
Lavatory is just as incorrect as bathroom; in fact, it means
essentially the same thing (a place to wash).
The most correct and specific term for a toilet is "toilet." And when
travelling, that's the best term to use, as it is the only one that is
likely to be universally understood.
> In American parlance, frequently - I can't count the number
> of times when asking "Where's the lavatory (ladies'room,
> washroom)?" has elicited bewilderment from a store employee,
> whereas "bathroom" is immediately comprehended. ("Toilet"
> is likely to produce blushes from said employee.)
Lavatory is just as incorrect as bathroom; in fact, it means
essentially the same thing (a place to wash).
The most correct and specific term for a toilet is "toilet." And when
travelling, that's the best term to use, as it is the only one that is
likely to be universally understood.
Jul 16th 2005, 6:19 pm
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Re: Three biggest surprises in Europe
Donald Newcomb writes:
> This is correct. "Bathroom" is a euphemism, something like "The necessary
> room for gentlemen."
I've found "comfort station" to be especially amusing. Of course,
"restroom" is just as bizarre--who goes to the toilet to rest?
Equally amusing are the extremely generic euphemisms that one
encounters, such as "facilities."
> This is correct. "Bathroom" is a euphemism, something like "The necessary
> room for gentlemen."
I've found "comfort station" to be especially amusing. Of course,
"restroom" is just as bizarre--who goes to the toilet to rest?
Equally amusing are the extremely generic euphemisms that one
encounters, such as "facilities."
Jul 16th 2005, 6:21 pm
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Re: Three biggest surprises in Europe
The Reids writes:
> as is toilet.
It used to be a euphemism, yes, as "toilet" means personal cleaning
and grooming, as in the phrase "making a hasty toilet" for "quickly
washing his face and combing his hair."
But today nobody uses toilet in the original sense, and so it has come
to mean water closets and urinals. (But then again, water closet
sounds like a euphemism as well.)
> as is toilet.
It used to be a euphemism, yes, as "toilet" means personal cleaning
and grooming, as in the phrase "making a hasty toilet" for "quickly
washing his face and combing his hair."
But today nobody uses toilet in the original sense, and so it has come
to mean water closets and urinals. (But then again, water closet
sounds like a euphemism as well.)
Jul 16th 2005, 9:39 pm
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> But today nobody uses toilet in the original sense, and so it has
> come to mean water closets and urinals. (But then again, water
> closet sounds like a euphemism as well.)
I look forward to Scots language activists getting them all labelled
with our own uniquely expressive name, "stank". South of the border
they could use "jakes".
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> come to mean water closets and urinals. (But then again, water
> closet sounds like a euphemism as well.)
I look forward to Scots language activists getting them all labelled
with our own uniquely expressive name, "stank". South of the border
they could use "jakes".
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Jul 17th 2005, 3:34 am
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Re: Three biggest surprises in Europe
In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I've found "comfort station" to be especially amusing. Of course,
> "restroom" is just as bizarre--who goes to the toilet to rest?
The latter is sometimes less bizarre than many labels, as some have an
anteroom of sorts with a chair or two.
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I've found "comfort station" to be especially amusing. Of course,
> "restroom" is just as bizarre--who goes to the toilet to rest?
The latter is sometimes less bizarre than many labels, as some have an
anteroom of sorts with a chair or two.
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov
Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Jul 17th 2005, 7:28 am
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Re: Three biggest surprises in Europe
BB wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:39:27 GMT, Timothy Kroesen wrote:
>
>>*Lamoral*... The taste still lingers...<mmmm>
>>So does the sound the clientele made when the sole allotted keg ran dry
>>at the Brugse Biere... <mmmoannn>
>
>
> One of my big surprises since returning is that everyone else ISN'T blown
> away by the taste of Belgian beer. Sure, Belgian brews draw top points on
> the beer snob sites, but I've been introducing it to people ever since I
> got back. Most find the taste interesting (or at least they say they do),
> then they go back to the same old pale & amber ales.
>
> I've even seen bottles of Chimay blue-label left half-full. Shocking!
Well, cost of such brands as Chimay in the U.S. may have
something to do with them not buying it, but I can't imagine
anyone refusing it when offered!
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:39:27 GMT, Timothy Kroesen wrote:
>
>>*Lamoral*... The taste still lingers...<mmmm>
>>So does the sound the clientele made when the sole allotted keg ran dry
>>at the Brugse Biere... <mmmoannn>
>
>
> One of my big surprises since returning is that everyone else ISN'T blown
> away by the taste of Belgian beer. Sure, Belgian brews draw top points on
> the beer snob sites, but I've been introducing it to people ever since I
> got back. Most find the taste interesting (or at least they say they do),
> then they go back to the same old pale & amber ales.
>
> I've even seen bottles of Chimay blue-label left half-full. Shocking!
Well, cost of such brands as Chimay in the U.S. may have
something to do with them not buying it, but I can't imagine
anyone refusing it when offered!
Jul 17th 2005, 7:34 am
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erilar wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I've found "comfort station" to be especially amusing. Of course,
>>"restroom" is just as bizarre--who goes to the toilet to rest?
>
>
> The latter is sometimes less bizarre than many labels, as some have an
> anteroom of sorts with a chair or two.
At least the "ladies' rooms" do - along with large mirrors
for use in touching up one's makeup, checking one's hair-do,
etc. In fact, one might really argue that "ladies's room"
and "men's room" are more accurate than any of the other
terms, since they express the total purpose of such
(assuming they are segregated, not "uni-sex").
>
> In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I've found "comfort station" to be especially amusing. Of course,
>>"restroom" is just as bizarre--who goes to the toilet to rest?
>
>
> The latter is sometimes less bizarre than many labels, as some have an
> anteroom of sorts with a chair or two.
At least the "ladies' rooms" do - along with large mirrors
for use in touching up one's makeup, checking one's hair-do,
etc. In fact, one might really argue that "ladies's room"
and "men's room" are more accurate than any of the other
terms, since they express the total purpose of such
(assuming they are segregated, not "uni-sex").
>
Jul 17th 2005, 8:15 am
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Re: Three biggest surprises in Europe
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> BB wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:39:27 GMT, Timothy Kroesen wrote:
>>>*Lamoral*... The taste still lingers...<mmmm>
>>>So does the sound the clientele made when the sole allotted keg ran dry
>>>at the Brugse Biere... <mmmoannn>
>> One of my big surprises since returning is that everyone else ISN'T blown
>> away by the taste of Belgian beer. Sure, Belgian brews draw top points on
>> the beer snob sites, but I've been introducing it to people ever since I
>> got back. Most find the taste interesting (or at least they say they do),
>> then they go back to the same old pale & amber ales.
>> I've even seen bottles of Chimay blue-label left half-full. Shocking!
> Well, cost of such brands as Chimay in the U.S. may have something to do
> with them not buying it, but I can't imagine anyone refusing it when
> offered!
It is only US $9.99 (plus tax) for a 25 ounce bottle at Beverages and More
in Southern California. Which is only a dollar more than a 12 pack of
(American) Budweiser.
JohnT
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> BB wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:39:27 GMT, Timothy Kroesen wrote:
>>>*Lamoral*... The taste still lingers...<mmmm>
>>>So does the sound the clientele made when the sole allotted keg ran dry
>>>at the Brugse Biere... <mmmoannn>
>> One of my big surprises since returning is that everyone else ISN'T blown
>> away by the taste of Belgian beer. Sure, Belgian brews draw top points on
>> the beer snob sites, but I've been introducing it to people ever since I
>> got back. Most find the taste interesting (or at least they say they do),
>> then they go back to the same old pale & amber ales.
>> I've even seen bottles of Chimay blue-label left half-full. Shocking!
> Well, cost of such brands as Chimay in the U.S. may have something to do
> with them not buying it, but I can't imagine anyone refusing it when
> offered!
It is only US $9.99 (plus tax) for a 25 ounce bottle at Beverages and More
in Southern California. Which is only a dollar more than a 12 pack of
(American) Budweiser.
JohnT
Jul 17th 2005, 2:14 pm
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Re: Three biggest surprises in Europe
I can't recall the name but the had a wonderful Apfelbier of tap too!
Not a cider, just brewed with apples. A truly excellent 'local'
establishment the hostel owner in Brugge turned me on to; I was the only
non townie in the place on two visits. besides the beer what I also
founds amazing is that every variety of beer has its own special glass!
Tim K
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> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:39:27 GMT, Timothy Kroesen wrote:
> > *Lamoral*... The taste still lingers...<mmmm>
> >
> > So does the sound the clientele made when the sole allotted keg ran
dry
> > at the Brugse Biere... <mmmoannn>
> One of my big surprises since returning is that everyone else ISN'T
blown
> away by the taste of Belgian beer. Sure, Belgian brews draw top points
on
> the beer snob sites, but I've been introducing it to people ever since
I
> got back. Most find the taste interesting (or at least they say they
do),
> then they go back to the same old pale & amber ales.
> I've even seen bottles of Chimay blue-label left half-full. Shocking!
> --
> -BB-
> To e-mail me, unmunge my address
Not a cider, just brewed with apples. A truly excellent 'local'
establishment the hostel owner in Brugge turned me on to; I was the only
non townie in the place on two visits. besides the beer what I also
founds amazing is that every variety of beer has its own special glass!
Tim K
"BB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:39:27 GMT, Timothy Kroesen wrote:
> > *Lamoral*... The taste still lingers...<mmmm>
> >
> > So does the sound the clientele made when the sole allotted keg ran
dry
> > at the Brugse Biere... <mmmoannn>
> One of my big surprises since returning is that everyone else ISN'T
blown
> away by the taste of Belgian beer. Sure, Belgian brews draw top points
on
> the beer snob sites, but I've been introducing it to people ever since
I
> got back. Most find the taste interesting (or at least they say they
do),
> then they go back to the same old pale & amber ales.
> I've even seen bottles of Chimay blue-label left half-full. Shocking!
> --
> -BB-
> To e-mail me, unmunge my address
Jul 17th 2005, 8:53 pm
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Following up to Timothy Kroesen
>I can't recall the name but the had a wonderful Apfelbier of tap too!
>Not a cider, just brewed with apples.
so what the difference between cider and beer made of apples?
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>I can't recall the name but the had a wonderful Apfelbier of tap too!
>Not a cider, just brewed with apples.
so what the difference between cider and beer made of apples?
--
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Jul 17th 2005, 8:53 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>The most correct and specific term for a toilet is "toilet."
lavatory and toilet are both words for places to wash, so I don't
see why toilet is more accurate.
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>The most correct and specific term for a toilet is "toilet."
lavatory and toilet are both words for places to wash, so I don't
see why toilet is more accurate.
--
Mike Reid
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Jul 17th 2005, 9:22 pm
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:53:35 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Timothy Kroesen
>>I can't recall the name but the had a wonderful Apfelbier of tap too!
>>Not a cider, just brewed with apples.
>so what the difference between cider and beer made of apples?
They tip some apple juice into the normal beer brew rather than
fermenting apples separately.
When did Jupiler move from Liege to Brussels and why does it taste
like Heineken nowadays?
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Timothy Kroesen
>>I can't recall the name but the had a wonderful Apfelbier of tap too!
>>Not a cider, just brewed with apples.
>so what the difference between cider and beer made of apples?
They tip some apple juice into the normal beer brew rather than
fermenting apples separately.
When did Jupiler move from Liege to Brussels and why does it taste
like Heineken nowadays?
--
Martin
Jul 17th 2005, 9:38 pm
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The Reids writes:
> lavatory and toilet are both words for places to wash, so I don't
> see why toilet is more accurate.
That used to be true for toilet, but it isn't in modern usage.
"Making one's toilet" is not a phrase frequently heard these days.
> lavatory and toilet are both words for places to wash, so I don't
> see why toilet is more accurate.
That used to be true for toilet, but it isn't in modern usage.
"Making one's toilet" is not a phrase frequently heard these days.
