On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:53:00 +0200, Ellie C <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >sascha wrote:
    >>>etc. don't think there are enough USAn immigrants to Europe to make
    >>>Thanksgiving celebrations very widespread.
    >>
    >>
    >> Just wait for the outcome of the election and what it will trigger :-)
    >>
    >>
    >> Sascha
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >We got a head start and avoided the rush by a year. ;-)

I'm a bit worried by "Howard wins Election" headlines. How do they
know? :o)

"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<E6kad.12143$%[email protected]>...
    > B Vaughan wrote:
    >
    > > On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "tim"
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >>"Boris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>news:[email protected] .com...
[snip]
    > > A Thanksgiving dinner features a large roast turkey stuffed with a
    > > filling made of bread, the chopped giblets, heart and liver of the
    > > turkey, onions, sage, and moistened with chicken broth, plus other
    > > ingredients according to personal taste.
    >
    > In these days of knowledge of bacterial growth does anyone still
    > actually stuff the turkey with dressing?

Yup, especially at the holidays. Traditions die hard.

    > Not a wise move.

Not exactly "livin' on the edge" though either.

    > Stuff it
    > with assorted veggies for moisture and discard the stuffing.

The stuffings vary almost as much as the number of cooks.
But avoiding poisoning is fairly straight forward. 40 years
with a perfect record would seem to indicate it's not rocket
science.
[snip]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:33:47 +0200, Ellie C wrote:

    > we couldn't find corned beef except in cans, so we
    > made do with that.

I didn't know it came any other way.
Godawful stuff it is anyway. As bad as spam.
--
Tim C.

Tim Challenger wrote:
    > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:33:47 +0200, Ellie C wrote:
    >
    >
    >> we couldn't find corned beef except in cans, so we
    >>made do with that.
    >
    >
    > I didn't know it came any other way.
    > Godawful stuff it is anyway. As bad as spam.
Yes, the stuff in cans is horrible, worse than spam. But a corned
brisket of beef is a wonderful thing. I guess canned corned beef is to
true corned beef as spam is to ham. Hardly any similarity.

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:56:05 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:33:47 +0200, Ellie C wrote:
    >> we couldn't find corned beef except in cans, so we
    >> made do with that.
    >I didn't know it came any other way.

You can make it yourself.
It doesn't have to be cooled in leaky tins with typhoid contaminated
river water. By coincidence there's a program on BBC steam radio about
it this week. It's to celebrate a Scottish epidemic of typhoid caused
by corn beef in 1964.

    >Godawful stuff it is anyway. As bad as spam.

You weren't a kid during the war then?

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:20:04 +0200, tim wrote:

    > "Sacha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:BD8F2378.5677%[email protected] k...
    >
    >> Then don't answer a question just to be unpleasant, which is the
    >> impression
    >> you gave.
    >
    > I asked "What on earth is "this type of food"? "
    >
    > It was a genuine question.
    >
    >>> But it could be that the resturant down the road serves it
    >>> everyday and calls it something else. By not telling me
    >>> what is being asked for I cannot make that connection.
    >> Oh come! This is disingenuous to say the least! If you want to be
    >> helpful,
    >> look it up
    >
    > I didn't want to be helpful. I genuinely couldn't understand
    > what was so 'special' about this meal.
    >
    > - I do and so do others. If you don't, say nothing.
    >> Thanksgiving in USA is so well known in other countries
    >
    > I think you will find it is not. Mention thanksgiving to
    > the average Brit and you will get a very blank look.
    > They won't have even ths slightest idea what it is.
    > It is only because I have been to the US a few times that
    > I am aware of its importance in the calandar. I suspect
    > 98% of brits don't even know this.
    >
    >> Possibly because you've spent quite a long time here simply arguing
    >
    > I had made two posts. The first of which was 4 lines long.
    > I think you are confusing me with someone else.
    >
    >> it could have been spent more usefully and to your own benefit unless of
    >> course, as you appear to demonstrate above, you prefer to remain in
    >> ignorance? And that's the end of this discussion for me, Tim. I don't
    >> think that demonstrating one's own ignorance is necessary and nor do I
    >> think
    >> rude answers to innocuous enquiries are, either. You, OTOH, appear to
    >> think
    >> that the job of a poster to this group is to educate you.
    >
    > what a load of twaddle.
    >
    > tim

A lot of people might know that it involves goose or turkey, and that it
resembles to a certain extent a common British Christmas dinner, if they
know what one of those is. Other than that I was blissfully unaware that a
Thanksgiving dinner involved spiral-cut ham, pecan and pumpkin pies,
cranberry sauce and butternut squash.
I still don't know what "spiral-cut ham" is.

To answer the OP's question we need two things, someone who knows what a
Thanksgiving meal requires and someone who knows what sort of foods are
available in German restaurants. Preferably both in the same person.

--
Tim C.

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:23:22 +0200, tim wrote:

    > Dessert has to include an American pumpkin pie, something I've never seen in Europe.

It's to be seen occasionally on menus in Austria, especially around
Halloween. Not common though.

--
Tim C.

On 10 Oct 2004 04:00:34 -0700, ?ystein wrote:

    > Restaurants are normally not a typical childen thing.

I dunno, I take my 2 and 6 year-olds out to eat quite often.
--
Tim C.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:33:45 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

    > On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:28:10 +0200, Nils Zonneveld
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Magda wrote:
    >>> On 9 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Boris) arranged
    >>> some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >>>
    >>> ... Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
    >>> ... Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
    >>> ... sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
    >>> ... holiday over there.
    >>>
    >>> Why on Earth would the German (or any other European, for that matter) celebrate something
    >>> that's ONLY YOURS ? Do you dance in the streets on Bastille Day ?
    >>>
    >>Commerce has already picked up Halloween, at least here in the
    >>Netherlands. I guess they did in Germany too. Any excuse for yet another
    >>festive day to market and sell stuff for. So I think it will not be too
    >>long until Thanksgiving is also discovered by businesses over here in
    >>Europe :-)
    >
    > I'm surprised that December 5th has not being propagated outside NL by
    > the commercially minded. Imagine the excuse to make people give two
    > presents in December. :-)

..Germany, Austria, at least parts of Switzerland. Except "Nikolaus" is on
the 6th December. He comes around with goodies for all the children that
have been good that year, and with "Knecht Ruprecht" or "Krampus" to beat
the bad children.
Also a day to give presents to your girlfreind (but not her to you).

--
Tim C.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:45:34 GMT, Jipsey wrote:

    > FWIW, I went to a nice Octoberfest near Boston last month.

Shouldn't that be "Oktoberfest"?
--
Tim C.

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:46:48 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 10 Oct 2004 04:00:34 -0700, ?ystein wrote:
    >> Restaurants are normally not a typical childen thing.
    >I dunno, I take my 2 and 6 year-olds out to eat quite often.

We took our two, now in their early twenties, in restaurants and pubs
from when they were age 0 to the present. I only once had a real
problem and that was in Bavaria, when a pissed German sitting at the
next table was most upset that I ordered my 12 year old son an alcohol
free beer, instead of a cola. Whoops! twice, the other time was in
Toulouse, when he was 2 and he managed to kick a bottle of wine off
the table, as my wife passed him to me.

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:52:02 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:45:34 GMT, Jipsey wrote:
    >> FWIW, I went to a nice Octoberfest near Boston last month.
    >Shouldn't that be "Oktoberfest"?

and shouldn't that have been Munich?

Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:45:34 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Jipsey <[email protected]>
    >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ... Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
    > ...
    > ... >On 9 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Boris) arranged
    > ... >some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ... >
    > ... > ... Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
    > ... > ... Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
    > ... > ... sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
    > ... > ... holiday over there.
    > ... >
    > ... >Why on Earth would the German (or any other European, for that matter) celebrate something
    > ... >that's ONLY YOURS ? Do you dance in the streets on Bastille Day ?
    > ...
    > ... Looks like your wrong
    >You too : it's "You ARE wrong".

Whoopsie! My mistake. Let me correct that. Looks like you are wrong,
as usual.

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:43:02 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >I still don't know what "spiral-cut ham" is.

I think it must be a very recent addition to the traditional meal. It
is a ham already roasted and cut and stacked up on some sort of frame
so that you can just detach slices. It must be the lazy person's
Thanksgiving solution. It certainly was never served at any
Thanksgiving dinner I attended.

The pecan pie must be a southern variation.

My family, being Irish immigrants, didn't make a very big deal of the
holiday, although my mother usually roasted a turkey, bought some
canned cranberry sauce and mashed the potatoes that we would have had
for dinner in any case.

I never prepared a Thanksgiving dinner until my kids got to the age
where they began to expect something of the sort. Then I began making
a habit of inviting some international visitors to our department
every year. At least it gave them an idea of what the holiday was
about, and since everything was closed that day, there wasn't much
else for them to do. I made everything from scratch, though, and tried
to keep it as authentic as possible. (It's supposed to include foods
that 17th century Plimouth Bay immigrants might have eaten, which
would not include spiral-cut hams.)

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:16:46 +0200, Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:11:41 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
    >> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:33:45 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >>>I'm surprised that December 5th has not being propagated outside NL by
    >>>the commercially minded. Imagine the excuse to make people give two
    >>>presents in December. :-)
    >>
    >> However, Santa Lucia, a Swedish (and also Italian) present-giving
    >> occasion in December, is celebrated sometimes in the US.
    >I'd imagine by Swedish immigrants, likewise St. Patricks Day, Greek Easter
    >etc. don't think there are enough USAn immigrants to Europe to make
    >Thanksgiving celebrations very widespread.

No, I think that in places where there was a lot of Swedish
immigration, it may be celebrated locally by other people. I know I
heard of celebrations involving candles and oldest daughters,
although I don't remember the details.
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