On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "tim"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Boris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]. com...
    >> The follow up to this question is whether we might be able to find a
    >> traditional Thanksgiving meal in Germany, or is this type of food not
    >> readily available.
    >What on earth is "this type of food"? What is it about this meal
    >that you expect not to be able to find. We have shops here,
    >IME they sell the same sort of fresh ingredients as an American
    >shop (even if the choice of prepared food is much more limited)

For somebody, who knows nothing about Germany or German food it's a
reasonable question.

When somebody else asked a similar question recently, they were
referred to the Hilton.

[email protected] (Boris) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...

    > The follow up to this question is whether we might be able to find a
    > traditional Thanksgiving meal in Germany, or is this type of food not
    > readily available.
    >
    > No, I don't want to be an arrogant American, and yes, I do want to
    > experience Europe as a pseudo european, but it would be nice to have a
    > traditional Thanksgiving dinner.

Get accomondation with cooking facilities. Then you can buy the food
and prepare it yourself.

    > One last question, my daughter will have her birthday while we are
    > there, is it appropriate to mention this at restaurants?
    >
Restaurants are normally not a typical childen thing. MacDonalds and
the like arrange birthdays for childen, but it is not a very
interesting way to celebrate a bithday in my opinion. Lot's of things
is going on in a city. Go to a movie, an amusement park, visit a
zoo... your fantasy and knowledge about your childs interests are the
onl limit.

Jan

On 9 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Boris) arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :

... Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
... Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
... sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
... holiday over there.

Why on Earth would the German (or any other European, for that matter) celebrate something
that's ONLY YOURS ? Do you dance in the streets on Bastille Day ?

On 9/10/04 11:29, in article [email protected], "tim"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "Boris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] om...
    >
    >> The follow up to this question is whether we might be able to find a
    >> traditional Thanksgiving meal in Germany, or is this type of food not
    >> readily available.
    >
    > What on earth is "this type of food"? What is it about this meal
    > that you expect not to be able to find. We have shops here,
    > IME they sell the same sort of fresh ingredients as an American
    > shop (even if the choice of prepared food is much more limited)
    >
    > tim
    >
    >
Why are some peoples' responses to this innocuous question so peculiar?
'This type of food' is *obviously* the type of food that Americans eat at
one particular festive meal in the USA!
If an American hasn't travelled to Germany before, it is not unreasonable to
ask if the sort of food he is used to in combination at US Thanksgiving is
*perhaps* available there on what is, for Americans, an extremely important
family occasion. For example, would a German restaurant make all the side
dishes that go with roast turkey and potatoes? Would they provide a
spiral-cut ham? Do pecan and pumpkin pies feature on menus in Germany? How
about cranberry sauce and butternut squash? All of these in combination? Do
any restaurants where you live offer a Thanksgiving meal for visiting
Americans? That's all that's being asked, so why not answer helpfully? So
- in your area, are there any restaurants that would give Thanksgiving
dinners for visiting or resident Americans?

--

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:20:28 +0100, Sacha
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 9/10/04 11:29, in article [email protected], "tim"
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> "Boris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected] om...
    >>
    >>> The follow up to this question is whether we might be able to find a
    >>> traditional Thanksgiving meal in Germany, or is this type of food not
    >>> readily available.
    >>
    >> What on earth is "this type of food"? What is it about this meal
    >> that you expect not to be able to find. We have shops here,
    >> IME they sell the same sort of fresh ingredients as an American
    >> shop (even if the choice of prepared food is much more limited)
    >>
    >> tim
    >>
    >>
    >Why are some peoples' responses to this innocuous question so peculiar?
    >'This type of food' is *obviously* the type of food that Americans eat at
    >one particular festive meal in the USA!
    >If an American hasn't travelled to Germany before, it is not unreasonable to
    >ask if the sort of food he is used to in combination at US Thanksgiving is
    >*perhaps* available there on what is, for Americans, an extremely important
    >family occasion. For example, would a German restaurant make all the side
    >dishes that go with roast turkey and potatoes? Would they provide a
    >spiral-cut ham? Do pecan and pumpkin pies feature on menus in Germany? How
    >about cranberry sauce and butternut squash? All of these in combination? Do
    >any restaurants where you live offer a Thanksgiving meal for visiting
    >Americans? That's all that's being asked, so why not answer helpfully? So
    >- in your area, are there any restaurants that would give Thanksgiving
    >dinners for visiting or resident Americans?

I remember a German woman visitor to California, being quite upset at
the difficulty in finding a goose in LA for her Christmas dinner. As a
guest, I was even more upset when she burnt it :-)

Magda wrote:
    > On 9 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Boris) arranged
    > some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >
    > ... Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
    > ... Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
    > ... sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
    > ... holiday over there.
    >
    > Why on Earth would the German (or any other European, for that matter) celebrate something
    > that's ONLY YOURS ? Do you dance in the streets on Bastille Day ?
    >
Many American cities have Bastille Day celebrations, usually given by
groups interested in French culture.

In article <[email protected]>, Wolfgang Schwanke
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > [email protected] (Boris) wrote in
    > news:[email protected] om:
    >
    > > Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
    > > Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
    > > sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
    > > holiday over there.
    >
    > There's "Erntedankfest" which comes from the same idea (to thank God for
    > the year's harvest),


Nope, Thanksgiving is uniquely American (not North American)

    > George Washington's
    > 1789 Thanksgiving Proclamation
    >
    > Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of
    > Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and
    > humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of
    > Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to
    > the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and
    > prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many
    > and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an
    > opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their
    > safety and happiness:"
    >
    > Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of
    > November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the
    > service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author
    > of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then
    > all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His
    > kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to
    > their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the
    > favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion
    > of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty
    > which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in
    > which we have been enable to establish constitutions of government for
    > our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately
    > instituted' for the civil and religious liberty with which we are
    > blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful
    > knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which
    > He has been pleased to confer upon us.
    >
    > And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers
    > and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech
    > Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all,
    > whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and
    > relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National
    > Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a
    > Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and
    > faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and
    > nations (especially such as have show kindness to us), and to bless
    > them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the
    > knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of
    > science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind
    > such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.
    >
    > Given under my hand, at the city of New York, the 3d dy of October,
    > A.D. 1789.


jay
Sun Oct 10, 2004
mailto:[email protected]




    > but the cultural significance is not exactly the
    > same. It's observed only in rural parts, even there probably not
    > everywhere, and it doesn't have that element of nation-founding as it has
    > in the US. The exact traditions are different too. I'm not even sure when
    > Erntedankfest is celebrated as I'm in a city where it's not observed,
    > except that it's sometime in autumn.
    >
    > > The follow up to this question is whether we might be able to find a
    > > traditional Thanksgiving meal in Germany, or is this type of food not
    > > readily available.
    >
    > You might find it near American communities or in places who cater for
    > American tourists, otherwhise no.
    >
    > > One last question, my daughter will have her birthday while we are
    > > there, is it appropriate to mention this at restaurants?
    >
    > Of course, why not?
    >
    > Regards

In article <[email protected]>, Magda
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > On 9 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected]
    > (Boris) arranged
    > some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >
    > ... Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
    > ... Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
    > ... sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
    > ... holiday over there.
    >
    > Why on Earth would the German (or any other European, for that matter)
    > celebrate something
    > that's ONLY YOURS ? Do you dance in the streets on Bastille Day ?

Not so much, but we party hardy to celebrate the French Emperor
Napoleon III getting is ass kick by 4000 Mexicans at Puebla, Mexico.

jay
Sun Oct 10, 2004
mailto:[email protected]

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:57:07 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Ellie C <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... Magda wrote:
... > On 9 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Boris) arranged
... > some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... > ... Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
... > ... Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
... > ... sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
... > ... holiday over there.
... >
... > Why on Earth would the German (or any other European, for that matter) celebrate something
... > that's ONLY YOURS ? Do you dance in the streets on Bastille Day ?
... >
... Many American cities have Bastille Day celebrations, usually given by
... groups interested in French culture.

In Louisiana ?

Well, I bet he doesn't. It was a rhetorical question anyway.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:20:28 +0100, Sacha wrote:

    > On 9/10/04 11:29, in article [email protected], "tim"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "Boris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected] om...
    >>
    >>> The follow up to this question is whether we might be able to find a
    >>> traditional Thanksgiving meal in Germany, or is this type of food not
    >>> readily available.
    >>
    >> What on earth is "this type of food"? What is it about this meal
    >> that you expect not to be able to find. We have shops here,
    >> IME they sell the same sort of fresh ingredients as an American
    >> shop (even if the choice of prepared food is much more limited)
    >>
    >> tim
    >>
    >>
    > Why are some peoples' responses to this innocuous question so peculiar?
    > 'This type of food' is *obviously* the type of food that Americans eat at
    > one particular festive meal in the USA!
    > If an American hasn't travelled to Germany before, it is not unreasonable to
    > ask if the sort of food he is used to in combination at US Thanksgiving is
    > *perhaps* available there on what is, for Americans, an extremely important
    > family occasion. For example, would a German restaurant make all the side
    > dishes that go with roast turkey and potatoes? Would they provide a
    > spiral-cut ham? Do pecan and pumpkin pies feature on menus in Germany? How
    > about cranberry sauce and butternut squash? All of these in combination? Do
    > any restaurants where you live offer a Thanksgiving meal for visiting
    > Americans? That's all that's being asked, so why not answer helpfully? So
    > - in your area, are there any restaurants that would give Thanksgiving
    > dinners for visiting or resident Americans?

No.

Next question?

J;

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On 10/10/04 12:23, in article [email protected],
"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On 9 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Boris)
    > arranged
    > some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >
    > ... Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
    > ... Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
    > ... sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
    > ... holiday over there.
    >
    > Why on Earth would the German (or any other European, for that matter)
    > celebrate something
    > that's ONLY YOURS ? Do you dance in the streets on Bastille Day ?
    >
It's possible to find restaurants around UK that serve Thanksgiving dinners
because of visitors from America and because some Britons like the idea of
another festive occasion. It is therefore, perfectly sensible to query
whether or not this might happen in other European countries, too.
I hope that the people who have answered this query so nastily and in such
an insular fashion, confine their travelling to a computer group! They would
all make lousy ambassadors for their own countries in those of others.
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds for email)

Magda wrote:
    > On 9 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Boris) arranged
    > some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >
    > ... Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
    > ... Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
    > ... sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
    > ... holiday over there.
    >
    > Why on Earth would the German (or any other European, for that matter) celebrate something
    > that's ONLY YOURS ? Do you dance in the streets on Bastille Day ?
    >

Commerce has already picked up Halloween, at least here in the
Netherlands. I guess they did in Germany too. Any excuse for yet another
festive day to market and sell stuff for. So I think it will not be too
long until Thanksgiving is also discovered by businesses over here in
Europe :-)

Nils

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:28:10 +0200, Nils Zonneveld
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Magda wrote:
    >> On 9 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Boris) arranged
    >> some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >>
    >> ... Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
    >> ... Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
    >> ... sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
    >> ... holiday over there.
    >>
    >> Why on Earth would the German (or any other European, for that matter) celebrate something
    >> that's ONLY YOURS ? Do you dance in the streets on Bastille Day ?
    >>
    >Commerce has already picked up Halloween, at least here in the
    >Netherlands. I guess they did in Germany too. Any excuse for yet another
    >festive day to market and sell stuff for. So I think it will not be too
    >long until Thanksgiving is also discovered by businesses over here in
    >Europe :-)

I'm surprised that December 5th has not being propagated outside NL by
the commercially minded. Imagine the excuse to make people give two
presents in December. :-)

In message <[email protected]>, Ellie C
<[email protected]> writes
    >Magda wrote:

    >> Why on Earth would the German (or any other European, for that
    >>matter) celebrate something
    >> that's ONLY YOURS ? Do you dance in the streets on Bastille Day ?
    >Many American cities have Bastille Day celebrations, usually given by
    >groups interested in French culture.

And New York celebrates St Patrick's Day in a much bigger way than
anywhere in Ireland.

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In message <BD8EA2AF.5576%[email protected]> , Sacha
<[email protected]> writes
    >On 10/10/04 0:19, in article
    >[email protected] , "Boris"
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Ok, this may be a stupid question, but my family and I will be in
    >> Germany over Thanksgiving (an American holiday), and just want to make
    >> sure that things will be open. I'm assuming they don't celebrate this
    >> holiday over there.
    >Some restaurants might well serve a Thanksgiving type dinner as a sort of
    >'curiosity'. Your best bet is to do an Internet search for any restaurants
    >in the area you're visiting. And you could ask the travel agent, too and
    >the US Embassy in Berlin.

I understand there are several US armed forces bases in Germany -
somewhere near those might do the necessary.

Type 'germany' into the keyword search here:
<http://www.globemaster.de/bases.html>

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