Teenagers in Rome
Sep 21st 2004, 2:31 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
Nitram writes:
> eighteen year old girls might interest him more.
True, but I was simply giving the most obvious answer first.
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> eighteen year old girls might interest him more.
True, but I was simply giving the most obvious answer first.
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Sep 21st 2004, 2:35 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
Poetic Justice writes:
> I think a 14yr old boy would love Ostia Antica. It's a Pompeii-like
> ghost town that was once the seaport of Rome.
After taking a look at some photos of the place, I know what he would
probably say: "But there's almost nothing left of it!" It's a bit of a
disappointment to see only a few fragments of walls where you expect a
city. Archaeologists might think it a gold mine, but for average
teenagers it would look a lot more like a junkyard. Indeed, it looks
that way to me, even though I'm not a teenager.
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> I think a 14yr old boy would love Ostia Antica. It's a Pompeii-like
> ghost town that was once the seaport of Rome.
After taking a look at some photos of the place, I know what he would
probably say: "But there's almost nothing left of it!" It's a bit of a
disappointment to see only a few fragments of walls where you expect a
city. Archaeologists might think it a gold mine, but for average
teenagers it would look a lot more like a junkyard. Indeed, it looks
that way to me, even though I'm not a teenager.
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Sep 21st 2004, 6:21 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
Thank you for these responses. I should have added that he equates old
things with museums. He says one old building/ruin is one too many. History
as such is a no go area.
"anonymous" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> actually you might be suprised what he finds he thinks is interesting. :-}
> >>>I will be travelling to Rome in January with a 14 year old son. He
hates
> >>>museums, art galleries and the like. Can anyone suggest ideas of what
might
> >>>appeal to him when we get there so we both have a reasonable time?
> in Rome I spent a day (at 14) just walking around with a map and a few
> million lira (about 10$us).... I -did- make it back to the hotel
unassisted.
> > A visit to Anzio. Show him how many Yanks and Brit.s died liberating
> > Rome.
> a must
> > A smack on the head using Frommer can be used to control a 14 year
> > old. :-)
things with museums. He says one old building/ruin is one too many. History
as such is a no go area.
"anonymous" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> actually you might be suprised what he finds he thinks is interesting. :-}
> >>>I will be travelling to Rome in January with a 14 year old son. He
hates
> >>>museums, art galleries and the like. Can anyone suggest ideas of what
might
> >>>appeal to him when we get there so we both have a reasonable time?
> in Rome I spent a day (at 14) just walking around with a map and a few
> million lira (about 10$us).... I -did- make it back to the hotel
unassisted.
> > A visit to Anzio. Show him how many Yanks and Brit.s died liberating
> > Rome.
> a must
> > A smack on the head using Frommer can be used to control a 14 year
> > old. :-)
Sep 21st 2004, 6:26 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
This is the last week of a month trip to places he does want to go. Leaving
him home is not an option though he did suggest that I give him the cost of
the trip and leave him to fend for himself.
"jenn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Sacha wrote:
> > On 21/9/04 16:21, in article [email protected], "jenn"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Sacha wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>>But I do
> >>>sympathise, my son when 13 refused point blank to get out of the car
and
> >>>just *look* at the Eiffel Tower - the only effort asked of him!
> >>
> >>and why would one organize an expensive and wonderful trip for such a
> >>child? one of my children traveled with me in Europe at age 12 and age
> >>14 -- another got his first trip at age 24. if they are not interested
> >>-- why drag them along and spoil your own time? in another post I
> >>suggested way to engage their interest -- nothing quite as fun as
> >>traveling with a kid who loves to travel -- but if they are going to
> >>pout [and you know who they are by how they travel at home] then why
> >>subject yourself to it?
> >
> >
> > Well, for a start I live in Britain, anyway, so the expense factor is
> > probably not the same as for you - France is a very close neighbour.
> > Jersey is about 2 hours from France by ferry and we were driving back to
> > Jersey from skiing in Val Thorens and did a detour for our benefit
before
> > taking the car to St Malo and the ferry to Jersey.
> > (In Jersey, 'travelling' usually involves 30 minutes in a car at most as
the
> > island is only 45 sq. miles)
> > People do things for all sorts of reasons, don't they - perhaps there is
> > nobody with whom to leave the child/ren or the child is not well and
needs
> > parental help, supervision, care at all times, etc?
> > And in our case we'd ALL enjoyed the skiing and son was just being a
normal
> > teenager - he also refused to visit Ephesus when we were in Turkey but
that
> > was on a sailing trip along that coastline, the rest of which he'd
> > absolutely loved! We weren't doing a sightseeing tour as such on either
> > occasion because we tend not to do that kind of holiday.
> ah the joys of vacationing with teens LOL --
him home is not an option though he did suggest that I give him the cost of
the trip and leave him to fend for himself.
"jenn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Sacha wrote:
> > On 21/9/04 16:21, in article [email protected], "jenn"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Sacha wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>>But I do
> >>>sympathise, my son when 13 refused point blank to get out of the car
and
> >>>just *look* at the Eiffel Tower - the only effort asked of him!
> >>
> >>and why would one organize an expensive and wonderful trip for such a
> >>child? one of my children traveled with me in Europe at age 12 and age
> >>14 -- another got his first trip at age 24. if they are not interested
> >>-- why drag them along and spoil your own time? in another post I
> >>suggested way to engage their interest -- nothing quite as fun as
> >>traveling with a kid who loves to travel -- but if they are going to
> >>pout [and you know who they are by how they travel at home] then why
> >>subject yourself to it?
> >
> >
> > Well, for a start I live in Britain, anyway, so the expense factor is
> > probably not the same as for you - France is a very close neighbour.
> > Jersey is about 2 hours from France by ferry and we were driving back to
> > Jersey from skiing in Val Thorens and did a detour for our benefit
before
> > taking the car to St Malo and the ferry to Jersey.
> > (In Jersey, 'travelling' usually involves 30 minutes in a car at most as
the
> > island is only 45 sq. miles)
> > People do things for all sorts of reasons, don't they - perhaps there is
> > nobody with whom to leave the child/ren or the child is not well and
needs
> > parental help, supervision, care at all times, etc?
> > And in our case we'd ALL enjoyed the skiing and son was just being a
normal
> > teenager - he also refused to visit Ephesus when we were in Turkey but
that
> > was on a sailing trip along that coastline, the rest of which he'd
> > absolutely loved! We weren't doing a sightseeing tour as such on either
> > occasion because we tend not to do that kind of holiday.
> ah the joys of vacationing with teens LOL --
Sep 21st 2004, 7:55 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
On 22/9/04 7:26, in article [email protected], "Q" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> This is the last week of a month trip to places he does want to go. Leaving
> him home is not an option though he did suggest that I give him the cost of
> the trip and leave him to fend for himself.
>
<snip>
If he's *really* determined not to enjoy it, take along books and games and
don't give them to him until you get to Rome. Then 'park' him at a café or
in the hotel and let him get on with it. As long as he has your mobile
'phone numbers and knows his way to your hotel, he'll be fine. He'll even
see it as an adventure, especially if he learns enough Italian phrases to
ask for an ice cream, a coke, etc.
But I must say that in your shoes, I would also point out to him *very*
firmly though in the nicest way, that he's had 3 weeks of doing things he
*does* enjoy and that he's not going to be allowed to spoil this for you.
--
Sacha
wrote:
> This is the last week of a month trip to places he does want to go. Leaving
> him home is not an option though he did suggest that I give him the cost of
> the trip and leave him to fend for himself.
>
<snip>
If he's *really* determined not to enjoy it, take along books and games and
don't give them to him until you get to Rome. Then 'park' him at a café or
in the hotel and let him get on with it. As long as he has your mobile
'phone numbers and knows his way to your hotel, he'll be fine. He'll even
see it as an adventure, especially if he learns enough Italian phrases to
ask for an ice cream, a coke, etc.
But I must say that in your shoes, I would also point out to him *very*
firmly though in the nicest way, that he's had 3 weeks of doing things he
*does* enjoy and that he's not going to be allowed to spoil this for you.
--
Sacha
Sep 21st 2004, 8:18 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
"Sacha" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On 22/9/04 7:26, in article [email protected],
> As long as he has your mobile
> 'phone numbers and knows his way to your hotel, he'll be fine.
You are crazy! I would never let a 14y.o. boy alone in Rome! You don't know
which kind of people are in those zone of Italy! I'm afraid my-self to walk
there, expecially at night.
paola
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> On 22/9/04 7:26, in article [email protected],
> As long as he has your mobile
> 'phone numbers and knows his way to your hotel, he'll be fine.
You are crazy! I would never let a 14y.o. boy alone in Rome! You don't know
which kind of people are in those zone of Italy! I'm afraid my-self to walk
there, expecially at night.
paola
Sep 21st 2004, 9:02 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
On 22/9/04 9:18, in article [email protected],
"minelli374" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Sacha" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:BD76EE8C.4809%[email protected] k...
>> On 22/9/04 7:26, in article [email protected],
>
>> As long as he has your mobile
>> 'phone numbers and knows his way to your hotel, he'll be fine.
>
>
> You are crazy! I would never let a 14y.o. boy alone in Rome! You don't know
> which kind of people are in those zone of Italy! I'm afraid my-self to walk
> there, expecially at night.
>
Really? That wasn't my impression of Rome at all nor is it that of my
Italian sister in law. I was thinking of the major and well known areas,
not off in the back streets somewhere and certainly not at night. I
wouldn't leave a 14 yo alone at night in any city.
And when I was there, admittedly 5 years ago, I walked around the better
known and central areas on my own without a qualm - nor did I encounter a
moment's unpleasantness.
But if you think otherwise, then either staying in the hotel with books,
games and TV or reluctantly accompanying his parents is the only solution.
--
Sacha
"minelli374" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Sacha" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>> On 22/9/04 7:26, in article [email protected],
>
>> As long as he has your mobile
>> 'phone numbers and knows his way to your hotel, he'll be fine.
>
>
> You are crazy! I would never let a 14y.o. boy alone in Rome! You don't know
> which kind of people are in those zone of Italy! I'm afraid my-self to walk
> there, expecially at night.
>
Really? That wasn't my impression of Rome at all nor is it that of my
Italian sister in law. I was thinking of the major and well known areas,
not off in the back streets somewhere and certainly not at night. I
wouldn't leave a 14 yo alone at night in any city.
And when I was there, admittedly 5 years ago, I walked around the better
known and central areas on my own without a qualm - nor did I encounter a
moment's unpleasantness.
But if you think otherwise, then either staying in the hotel with books,
games and TV or reluctantly accompanying his parents is the only solution.
--
Sacha
Sep 21st 2004, 10:17 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
Q wrote:
>
> Thank you for these responses. I should have added that he equates old
> things with museums. He says one old building/ruin is one too many. History
> as such is a no go area.
I'm sorry; I can't for the life of me imagine why you are taking your
son on this trip. You have selected a destination that is filled with
his pet hates. I sincerely hope you are a troll, rather than a real
parent who is really trying to pull of a trip that is doomed to failure.
Karen Selwyn
>
> Thank you for these responses. I should have added that he equates old
> things with museums. He says one old building/ruin is one too many. History
> as such is a no go area.
I'm sorry; I can't for the life of me imagine why you are taking your
son on this trip. You have selected a destination that is filled with
his pet hates. I sincerely hope you are a troll, rather than a real
parent who is really trying to pull of a trip that is doomed to failure.
Karen Selwyn
Sep 21st 2004, 10:22 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
"Sacha" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Really? That wasn't my impression of Rome at all nor is it that of my
> Italian sister in law. I was thinking of the major and well known areas,
> not off in the back streets somewhere and certainly not at night.
I live near Milan and I wouldn't suggest anyone to let a boy alone in an
Italian big city. People are not very polite, traffic jam is really
dangerous because we don't obey limit and traffic rules and police control
il very poor.
Italian drivers don't respect light, never stop at crossowalk and so,
expecially in the south of the Country.
It's plenty of immigrants who spend their days drinkin', pissin' and hanging
around.
Then you have to consider that people have a strong accent there and the 14
y.o boy doesn't know a word of Italian.
I consider Rome one of the less safe city in Italy, after Naples.
paola
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> Really? That wasn't my impression of Rome at all nor is it that of my
> Italian sister in law. I was thinking of the major and well known areas,
> not off in the back streets somewhere and certainly not at night.
I live near Milan and I wouldn't suggest anyone to let a boy alone in an
Italian big city. People are not very polite, traffic jam is really
dangerous because we don't obey limit and traffic rules and police control
il very poor.
Italian drivers don't respect light, never stop at crossowalk and so,
expecially in the south of the Country.
It's plenty of immigrants who spend their days drinkin', pissin' and hanging
around.
Then you have to consider that people have a strong accent there and the 14
y.o boy doesn't know a word of Italian.
I consider Rome one of the less safe city in Italy, after Naples.
paola
Sep 21st 2004, 11:05 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:31:52 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Nitram writes:
>> eighteen year old girls might interest him more.
>True, but I was simply giving the most obvious answer first.
and probably the best suggestion so far :-)
wrote:
>Nitram writes:
>> eighteen year old girls might interest him more.
>True, but I was simply giving the most obvious answer first.
and probably the best suggestion so far :-)
Sep 21st 2004, 11:05 pm
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:35:04 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Poetic Justice writes:
>> I think a 14yr old boy would love Ostia Antica. It's a Pompeii-like
>> ghost town that was once the seaport of Rome.
>After taking a look at some photos of the place, I know what he would
>probably say: "But there's almost nothing left of it!" It's a bit of a
>disappointment to see only a few fragments of walls where you expect a
>city. Archaeologists might think it a gold mine, but for average
>teenagers it would look a lot more like a junkyard. Indeed, it looks
>that way to me, even though I'm not a teenager.
The photos don't do it justice.
wrote:
>Poetic Justice writes:
>> I think a 14yr old boy would love Ostia Antica. It's a Pompeii-like
>> ghost town that was once the seaport of Rome.
>After taking a look at some photos of the place, I know what he would
>probably say: "But there's almost nothing left of it!" It's a bit of a
>disappointment to see only a few fragments of walls where you expect a
>city. Archaeologists might think it a gold mine, but for average
>teenagers it would look a lot more like a junkyard. Indeed, it looks
>that way to me, even though I'm not a teenager.
The photos don't do it justice.
Sep 21st 2004, 11:08 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:55:40 +0100, Sacha
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 22/9/04 7:26, in article [email protected], "Q" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> This is the last week of a month trip to places he does want to go. Leaving
>> him home is not an option though he did suggest that I give him the cost of
>> the trip and leave him to fend for himself.
>>
><snip>
>If he's *really* determined not to enjoy it, take along books and games and
>don't give them to him until you get to Rome. Then 'park' him at a café or
>in the hotel and let him get on with it. As long as he has your mobile
>'phone numbers and knows his way to your hotel, he'll be fine. He'll even
>see it as an adventure, especially if he learns enough Italian phrases to
>ask for an ice cream, a coke, etc.
>But I must say that in your shoes, I would also point out to him *very*
>firmly though in the nicest way, that he's had 3 weeks of doing things he
>*does* enjoy and that he's not going to be allowed to spoil this for you.
IME it's just a phase teenage boys go through. I don't think there is
any easy solution, other than sending him off an a holiday with kids
of his own age, which is probably what he really wants.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 22/9/04 7:26, in article [email protected], "Q" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> This is the last week of a month trip to places he does want to go. Leaving
>> him home is not an option though he did suggest that I give him the cost of
>> the trip and leave him to fend for himself.
>>
><snip>
>If he's *really* determined not to enjoy it, take along books and games and
>don't give them to him until you get to Rome. Then 'park' him at a café or
>in the hotel and let him get on with it. As long as he has your mobile
>'phone numbers and knows his way to your hotel, he'll be fine. He'll even
>see it as an adventure, especially if he learns enough Italian phrases to
>ask for an ice cream, a coke, etc.
>But I must say that in your shoes, I would also point out to him *very*
>firmly though in the nicest way, that he's had 3 weeks of doing things he
>*does* enjoy and that he's not going to be allowed to spoil this for you.
IME it's just a phase teenage boys go through. I don't think there is
any easy solution, other than sending him off an a holiday with kids
of his own age, which is probably what he really wants.
Sep 21st 2004, 11:36 pm
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Re: Teenagers in Rome
Good thinking 99. You have met my son?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:31:52 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >Nitram writes:
> >
> >> eighteen year old girls might interest him more.
> >
> >True, but I was simply giving the most obvious answer first.
> and probably the best suggestion so far :-)
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> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:31:52 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >Nitram writes:
> >
> >> eighteen year old girls might interest him more.
> >
> >True, but I was simply giving the most obvious answer first.
> and probably the best suggestion so far :-)
Sep 21st 2004, 11:37 pm
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>I will be travelling to Rome in January with a 14 year old son. He hates
>museums, art galleries and the like. Can anyone suggest ideas of what might
>appeal to him when we get there so we both have a reasonable time?
The back of a man's hand.
==
There are 10 kinds of people in the world those who understand binary and those who don't.
>museums, art galleries and the like. Can anyone suggest ideas of what might
>appeal to him when we get there so we both have a reasonable time?
The back of a man's hand.
==
There are 10 kinds of people in the world those who understand binary and those who don't.
Sep 21st 2004, 11:39 pm
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Thank you for the parenting advice and the psychological analysis but what I
am really after is travel advice. For those who have affered that advice I
am most grateful.
"Karen Selwyn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Q wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for these responses. I should have added that he equates old
> > things with museums. He says one old building/ruin is one too many.
History
> > as such is a no go area.
> I'm sorry; I can't for the life of me imagine why you are taking your
> son on this trip. You have selected a destination that is filled with
> his pet hates. I sincerely hope you are a troll, rather than a real
> parent who is really trying to pull of a trip that is doomed to failure.
> Karen Selwyn
am really after is travel advice. For those who have affered that advice I
am most grateful.
"Karen Selwyn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Q wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for these responses. I should have added that he equates old
> > things with museums. He says one old building/ruin is one too many.
History
> > as such is a no go area.
> I'm sorry; I can't for the life of me imagine why you are taking your
> son on this trip. You have selected a destination that is filled with
> his pet hates. I sincerely hope you are a troll, rather than a real
> parent who is really trying to pull of a trip that is doomed to failure.
> Karen Selwyn
