http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/09/wvenice109.xml
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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wvenice109.xml

Interesting. I thought all the price lists were placed outside the
restaurants?

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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:10:15 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wvenice109.xml
>
>Interesting. I thought all the price lists were placed outside the
>restaurants?

That is my recollection too.
I found several other articles in the DT that are near fiction, but nothing up
to the standard of the First Post, which seems to be running a vendetta against
the parents of the girl who disappeared in Portugal. If the First Post is wrong
I hope the parents take the DT to the cleaners for libel.
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Martin

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:10:15 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...08/09/wvenice1
09.xml
> >
> >Interesting. I thought all the price lists were placed outside the
> >restaurants?
>
> That is my recollection too.

Isn't it the law there as well?

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"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:23:24 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:10:15 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...08/09/wvenice1
>09.xml
>> >
>> >Interesting. I thought all the price lists were placed outside the
>> >restaurants?
>>
>> That is my recollection too.
>
>Isn't it the law there as well?

I'm not sure. There were definitely prices outside in Venice, but I can't recall
prices outside the places where I used to eat in N Italy and Rome.

Maybe the journalist googled the wrong Venice, before writing the in depth
report?
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Martin

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:23:24 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:10:15 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...08/09/wvenice1
> >09.xml
> >> >
> >> >Interesting. I thought all the price lists were placed outside the
> >> >restaurants?
> >>
> >> That is my recollection too.
> >
> >Isn't it the law there as well?
>
> I'm not sure. There were definitely prices outside in Venice, but I can't
> recall prices outside the places where I used to eat in N Italy and Rome.

Maybe the "listino prezzi" just has to be visible somewhere?

> Maybe the journalist googled the wrong Venice, before writing the in depth
> report?

156 consumer complaints doesn't sound terrible to me anyway...

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"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:34:30 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:23:24 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:10:15 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...08/09/wvenice1
>> >09.xml
>> >> >
>> >> >Interesting. I thought all the price lists were placed outside the
>> >> >restaurants?
>> >>
>> >> That is my recollection too.
>> >
>> >Isn't it the law there as well?
>>
>> I'm not sure. There were definitely prices outside in Venice, but I can't
>> recall prices outside the places where I used to eat in N Italy and Rome.
>
>Maybe the "listino prezzi" just has to be visible somewhere?
>
>> Maybe the journalist googled the wrong Venice, before writing the in depth
>> report?
>
>156 consumer complaints doesn't sound terrible to me anyway...

:-)
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Martin

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:34:30 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> >> I'm not sure. There were definitely prices outside in Venice, but I can't
> >> recall prices outside the places where I used to eat in N Italy and Rome.
> >
> >Maybe the "listino prezzi" just has to be visible somewhere?
> >
> >> Maybe the journalist googled the wrong Venice, before writing the in depth
> >> report?
> >
> >156 consumer complaints doesn't sound terrible to me anyway...
>
> :-)

They were all made against a deranged American trying to charge them for
crossing a bridge.

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"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:40:48 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:34:30 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> >> I'm not sure. There were definitely prices outside in Venice, but I can't
>> >> recall prices outside the places where I used to eat in N Italy and Rome.
>> >
>> >Maybe the "listino prezzi" just has to be visible somewhere?
>> >
>> >> Maybe the journalist googled the wrong Venice, before writing the in depth
>> >> report?
>> >
>> >156 consumer complaints doesn't sound terrible to me anyway...
>>
>> :-)
>
>They were all made against a deranged American trying to charge them for
>crossing a bridge.

Was he lurking under the bridge?
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Martin

Make credence recognised that on Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:23:24 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) has scripted:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:10:15 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...08/09/wvenice1
>09.xml
>> >
>> >Interesting. I thought all the price lists were placed outside the
>> >restaurants?
>>
>> That is my recollection too.
>
>Isn't it the law there as well?

Well... err... it could be, but laws are frequently ignored in Italy.
I don't know how much effort the Venetian authorities make to ensure
tourists are treated fairly. Given my experience, it's minimal, even
in the north of the country.
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Make credence recognised that on Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:59:16 +0200,
Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:

>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wvenice109.xml

"Maria Tosi, who runs a tobacconist, said tourists could do simple
things to try to get a better price such as saying hello when entering
a shop or restaurant, or learning a few words of Venetian dialect."

It's sad but true. Learning just a few words in the local dialect can
make a big difference in Italy. Personally I don't know any Venetian,
but I will make an effort to learn it if I return.

Certainly learning basic Genovese has served me very well here.
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Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:

>Make credence recognised that on Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:23:24 +0100,
>[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) has scripted:
>
>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:10:15 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Interesting. I thought all the price lists were placed outside the
>>> >restaurants?
>>>
>>> That is my recollection too.
>>
>>Isn't it the law there as well?
>
>Well... err... it could be, but laws are frequently ignored in Italy.
>I don't know how much effort the Venetian authorities make to ensure
>tourists are treated fairly. Given my experience, it's minimal, even
>in the north of the country.
>
Herself and I are not paranoid (well, I think we are not). We are
aware that some people see tourists as easy prey for ripoffs, so we
pay some attention to posted prices and to the calculation of bills.

We found price information everywhere we went in Venice, and there was
no funny business in making up our bills. The prices were generally
very high, but that's another question.

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Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
> Herself and I are not paranoid (well, I think we are not). We are
> aware that some people see tourists as easy prey for ripoffs, so we
> pay some attention to posted prices and to the calculation of bills.

Yes, we're a bit like that too. You should have seen us at M&S earlier
this afternoon scanning the till's display to make sure we got the
discounts!

> We found price information everywhere we went in Venice, and there was
> no funny business in making up our bills.

Our experience too, and elsewhere in Italy.

> The prices were generally
> very high, but that's another question.

For Italy, maybe, but not for the UK, and not for Dublin either in our
experience!

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:

> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> The prices were generally
> >> very high, but that's another question.
> >
> >For Italy, maybe, but not for the UK, and not for Dublin either in our
> >experience!
> >
> For us, one of the newer joys of travel is to find that most places we
> go now seem inexpensive compared with staying at home.

Oh, I know exactly how you feel. The only exceptions are my frequent
trips to Norway.

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:40:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The prices were generally
>> >> very high, but that's another question.
>> >
>> >For Italy, maybe, but not for the UK, and not for Dublin either in our
>> >experience!
>> >
>> For us, one of the newer joys of travel is to find that most places we
>> go now seem inexpensive compared with staying at home.
>
>Oh, I know exactly how you feel. The only exceptions are my frequent
>trips to Norway.

Is the date and time on subject list of Padraig's messages weird at your end?

In the headers they appear to be normal
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