Doesn't Frequently Mop

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:48:26 GMT,
[email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:

>On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:22:44 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Make credence recognised that on Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:42:52 GMT,
>>[email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:
>>
>>>You mean like the so called doctor saying F this and F that?
>>
>>Sorry, but you have lost John. Your wit's end isn't up to it.
>
>As if I would care. I'm in Copenhagen having fun now.

You're in Copenhagen, having fun, and posting here. Hmmm...
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Doesn't Frequently Mop

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:58:25 GMT,
[email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:

>On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:33:10 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>Here is a relevant story on this subject.
>>>
>>>"When staying alive means going bankrupt"
>>>
>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20201807/
>
>This is a problem that, of course, should not occur, but tell that to
>the politicians here. One problem is that there are so many different
>types of plans that it is easy to get confused for those that have
>coverage. This situation could never happen with mine because I have
>full coverage twice, once through a private plan that will turn to
>Medicare next year and once with the VA. Too many people get sold on
>these catastrophic plans and forget how much they can run up in
>between, which is what this is referring to. Probably many of these
>people are the same as took out those subprime loans with variable
>rates that are now coming home to roost. Fortunately, for those
>living in Colorado at least is that it's illegal there to deny
>coverage for prior existing conditions and to dump someone unless they
>stop their premium payments. This is state law, however, and this
>needs to be addressed at the Federal level to cover everyone.

The system is flawed because it's in the interests of the health
insurance companies to not have you treated. No one can fix a flaw,
least of all politicians.
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Poldy

In article <[email protected]>,
"nightjar" <nightjar@<insert my surname here>.uk.com> wrote:

> "John Kulp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:24:18 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
> > <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >
> >>Make credence recognised that on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:33:53 GMT,
> >>[email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:
> >>
> >>>What was that about the UK system being off of charity 60 years ago
> >>>Blacko? Hope they don't get colon cancer as well.
> >>
> >>Any other illness and you'll be just fine!
> >
> > Sure. Like knee replacements. Right.
>
> The strength of the NHS is in dealing with acute problems. Chronic problems,
> like dodgy knees, get put into waiting lists, because the purse is not
> infinite.
>
> Colin Bignell

I waited months to get my ACL reconstructed.

The orthopedic surgeon prescribed physical therapy to "get my knee
healed" and then the surgery caused trauma in itself.

It was elective. He sold me the surgery as a lifestyle choice, if I
wanted to remain active.

My guess is, he pushed me off to a part of the year when his calendar
wasn't so full.

In contrast, if a professional athlete blows out their knee, they do the
surgery right away to start the clock early on rehab.

Poldy

In article <[email protected]>,
Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:

> The system is flawed because it's in the interests of the health
> insurance companies to not have you treated. No one can fix a flaw,
> least of all politicians.

Especially if they have financial inducements to maintain the status quo.

Poldy

In article <[email protected]>,
Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:54:40 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Alan, you have too much time on your hands.
> True; one of the side-effects of retirement.
>
> > It's never productive
> >arguing with somebody who verbally abuses those who have different
> >opinions from his own.
> I spend too much time in medical groups where that is often
> par for the course:-)
>

What's in there, free-market ideologues or insurance company shills?

Or both?

Doesn't Frequently Mop

Make credence recognised that on Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:22:31 -0700,
poldy <[email protected]> has scripted:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "nightjar" <nightjar@<insert my surname here>.uk.com> wrote:

>> The strength of the NHS is in dealing with acute problems. Chronic problems,
>> like dodgy knees, get put into waiting lists, because the purse is not
>> infinite.
>>
>> Colin Bignell
>
>I waited months to get my ACL reconstructed.
>
>The orthopedic surgeon prescribed physical therapy to "get my knee
>healed" and then the surgery caused trauma in itself.
>
>It was elective. He sold me the surgery as a lifestyle choice, if I
>wanted to remain active.
>
>My guess is, he pushed me off to a part of the year when his calendar
>wasn't so full.
>
>In contrast, if a professional athlete blows out their knee, they do the
>surgery right away to start the clock early on rehab.

Were you able to get by day to day with your knee like that?
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Doesn't Frequently Mop

Make credence recognised that on Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:26:26 -0700,
poldy <[email protected]> has scripted:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> wrote:
>
>> The system is flawed because it's in the interests of the health
>> insurance companies to not have you treated. No one can fix a flaw,
>> least of all politicians.
>
>Especially if they have financial inducements to maintain the status quo.

Can three days of silence from Mr Kulp mean he's actually thunk about
what I said?
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Alan S

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:29:47 -0700, poldy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:54:40 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Alan, you have too much time on your hands.
>> True; one of the side-effects of retirement.
>>
>> > It's never productive
>> >arguing with somebody who verbally abuses those who have different
>> >opinions from his own.
>> I spend too much time in medical groups where that is often
>> par for the course:-)
>>
>
>What's in there, free-market ideologues or insurance company shills?
>
>Or both?

All those and more. Along with lots of good people looking
for answers to real problems, the medical groups attract the
weirdest of weirdos, trolls, every spammer with a miracle
cure and every other piece of scum out there trying to make
money out of human misery.

Also some of the genuine people are in dire straits and have
an understandably very limited sense of humour or tolerance
for those who disagree with them, or they also believe that
they have found the cure and need to tell the world -
repeatedly.

And every variation on that theme. It makes for interesting
and frustrating reading.

But, for those prepared to sift through all that for the
occasional peral of wisdom, they can be mines of valuable
information. One little post on one of those groups provided
the information that changed my own health; but I never
guarantee that the same will be true for others.

If you want to see some truly weird people, do a google
groups search on any of the following:

Andrew B Chung, or the "2 PD Omer"
Ironjustice
Rich Murray

Or just read through one day's posts, without filtering, of
alt.support.diabetes:-)


Cheers, Alan, Australia
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John Kulp

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:47:23 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Make credence recognised that on Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:26:26 -0700,
>poldy <[email protected]> has scripted:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The system is flawed because it's in the interests of the health
>>> insurance companies to not have you treated. No one can fix a flaw,
>>> least of all politicians.
>>
>>Especially if they have financial inducements to maintain the status quo.
>
>Can three days of silence from Mr Kulp mean he's actually thunk about
>what I said?

Sure I think it's complete boneheaded bullshit as usual. If
politicians can't fix a flaw, how did Medicare happen? And the VA?
And about a thousand other things?

Doesn't Frequently Mop

Make credence recognised that on Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:17:27 GMT,
[email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:

>On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:47:23 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Make credence recognised that on Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:26:26 -0700,
>>poldy <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The system is flawed because it's in the interests of the health
>>>> insurance companies to not have you treated. No one can fix a flaw,
>>>> least of all politicians.
>>>
>>>Especially if they have financial inducements to maintain the status quo.
>>
>>Can three days of silence from Mr Kulp mean he's actually thunk about
>>what I said?
>
>Sure I think it's complete boneheaded bullshit as usual. If
>politicians can't fix a flaw, how did Medicare happen? And the VA?
>And about a thousand other things?

You didn't address what I said.
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Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>,
poldy <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "nightjar" <nightjar@<insert my surname here>.uk.com> wrote:
>
> > "John Kulp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:24:18 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
> > > <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Make credence recognised that on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:33:53 GMT,
> > >>[email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:
> > >>
> > >>>What was that about the UK system being off of charity 60 years ago
> > >>>Blacko? Hope they don't get colon cancer as well.
> > >>
> > >>Any other illness and you'll be just fine!
> > >
> > > Sure. Like knee replacements. Right.
> >
> > The strength of the NHS is in dealing with acute problems. Chronic
> > problems,
> > like dodgy knees, get put into waiting lists, because the purse is not
> > infinite.
> >
> > Colin Bignell
>
> I waited months to get my ACL reconstructed.

I had the same procedure, along w/ a meniscectomy after a bad spill at
Whistler.

>
> The orthopedic surgeon prescribed physical therapy to "get my knee
> healed" and then the surgery caused trauma in itself.
>
> It was elective. He sold me the surgery as a lifestyle choice, if I
> wanted to remain active.
>
> My guess is, he pushed me off to a part of the year when his calendar
> wasn't so full.
>
> In contrast, if a professional athlete blows out their knee, they do the
> surgery right away to start the clock early on rehab.

Not my understanding, nor what happened to me. I saw my Doc the same
day I flew back from Whistler. Had the CAT scan and confirmed what Doc
had already diagnosed with the physical. He Rx'd P.T. for 7 days and
on the 8th I had my surgery. That is his standard protocol, and he is
among the very best in my country at this procedure.

My out of pocket costs were about $3k, the maximum deductible before my
insurance pays 100% for the rest of that year.

jay
Wed Aug 22, 2007
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