David Gascon wrote:

    >Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
    >>
    >> There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
    >> regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
    >>
    >In a rather long thread so far, I've counted exactly 2 individuals who
    >support this proposal, one of them The Mighty Fascist. Add me to those
    >opposed.

It's about the only thread on which people of different political
orientations find agreement. Yves has accomplished something.

PB

Miguel Cruz wrote:


    > Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
    > > There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
    > > regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
    > >
    > > I don't have a fixed opinion or any specific suggestion, but I'd like to
    > > know what others think. Feel free to reply by E-mail, if you prefer.
    > >
    > > (For those who don't know, "moderation" means that posts would have to
    > > be accepted by a "moderator" before they appear. The idea is that the
    > > moderator or moderators wouldn't accept spam, trolls, and so on. Many
    > > formerly unmoderated groups have decided to become moderated, as spam
    > > and trolls gets worse.)
    > I think it would put too much of a damper on legitimate discussion -
    > throwing out the baby with the bathwater, as it were. Moderated newsgroups
    > are very slow.
    > Additionally I have limited faith that a collection of suitably impartial
    > moderators could be located.


There is always a tinpot martinet or two who wants to barrel onto a
newsgroup and "run" things. Remember Sheryl Mexic on rec.travel.air?

There are plenty of moderated boards on which to discuss travel, e.g. such
places as http://www.flyertalk.com , the boards at lonelyplanet, fodors,
etc.

I'd suggest the OP set up a Yahoo! group or some such. That way he can
"moderate" to his heart's delight.

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Best
Greg

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

    > The Mighty Rushie wrote:
    > >
    > > >(For those who don't know, "moderation" means that posts would have to
    > > >be accepted by a "moderator" before they appear. The idea is that the
    > > >moderator or moderators wouldn't accept spam, trolls, and so on. Many
    > > >formerly unmoderated groups have decided to become moderated, as spam
    > > >and trolls gets worse.)
    > > >
    > > >Yves
    > >
    > > Wonderful idea!
    > >
    > > Count me in...
    > Why am I not surprised? (BTW, I suppose you realize YOU are one of the
    > "trolls" to whom he refers?) Fascist pig!


Lol...Evelyn, I find it rather "amusing" that you seem to engage these
"trolls" by responding to virtually every post that they make.....

And it leads me to wonder "Who is *really* the 'troll'...???"

I guess it keeps you busy, in any case.

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Greg

Padraig Breathnach wrote:

    > David Gascon wrote:
    > >The Mighty Rushie wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Wonderful idea!
    > >>
    > >> Count me in...
    > >>
    > >Figures that the resident fascist would favor this...
    > He wants to be moderator.


Yep. We've been through this before.

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Greg

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

    > Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
    > >
    > > Sorry for my mistake. Please assume that I was asking whether a
    > > *companion* moderated group would be a good idea.
    > It's a free country...er... internet - have fun. (No one is compelled
    > to join you, however, so you may be a little lonely, there!)


Usenet is supposed to be about fun. For many of us, it is an amusing
diversion from the vagaries of daily life.

We all have enough "rules" in our day - to - day lives. Being on Usenet
should not be like a job or a task, with a million tetchy little
restrictions, "rules", and little dictators ready to pounce.....

I post on Usenet and also on a number of moderated boards. They both have
their places. Let Usenet be Usenet. There are plenty of "moderated" spaces
(including on Usenet) if one wishes to cut down on one's particular S/N
ratio.....

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Greg

Larry Van Wormer wrote:


    > No real need, is there? Since someone kindly reminded us of the easy
    > methods of deleting the silly threads, I've found it only takes about a
    > minute per day to keep the posts "weeded out". All I then see are posts
    > that actually have to do with travel in europe. That's good enough for
    > me, and well worth it to avoid a moderated list.

Thank you. I've always thought it silly for people to be complaining about
"OT" posts, "trolls", etc. on Usenet. For all the time it takes to write a
whining post, one can kill threads, posters, subjects, etc. by judicious use
of filtering.

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Greg

wrote:

    > In article , [email protected]
    > (EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)) wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
    > > >
    > > > There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
    > > > regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
    > >
    > > How would YOU know? You haven't even BEEN here!
    > You can't know whether Yves has been reading the group or not.


I can state as an *absolute* fact that he has.

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Greg

Mxsmanic wrote:

    > "Luca Logi" a écrit dans le message de news:
    > 1ftef13.1chf91h1t4cgeaN%[email protected]...
    >
    > > We are three people looking about a newsgroup
    > > with 100 posts a day, most of them coming from a
    > > group of trusted people we can put on automatic
    > > approvation.
    >
    > You're propagating a newsgroup over the entire planet just for that?


The it.* hierarchy is organized by a group (GCN) of volontaries coming
mainly from universities, ISPs and telecoms, and their rules are very
strict. Of course the rules are dimensioned to the Italian situation.

The traffic is considered acceptable under GCN rules (the minimum being
300 posts/months); if you don't like the GCN rules, nobody forces you to
have the it.* hierarchy on your news server: you simply forget about it
on your news server. Provided you have a news server - relevant judgment
on these matters comes from news servers administrators, not from users.


--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]

Padraig Breathnach wrote:

    > David Gascon wrote:
    > >Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
    > >>
    > >> There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
    > >> regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
    > >>
    > >In a rather long thread so far, I've counted exactly 2 individuals who
    > >support this proposal, one of them The Mighty Fascist. Add me to those
    > >opposed.
    > It's about the only thread on which people of different political
    > orientations find agreement. Yves has accomplished something.

It's a MIRACLE....!!!!

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Greg ;---)

"Luca Logi" a écrit dans le message de news:
1ftfd7y.1awnsr81sbyyykN%[email protected]...

    > Provided you have a news server - relevant
    > judgment on these matters comes from news
    > servers administrators, not from users.

Shall I fire up a NNTP daemon on my server so that I can be a News Server
Administrator, too?

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:53:53 -0400, David Gascon
wrote:

    >Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
    >>
    >> There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
    >> regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
    >>
    >> I don't have a fixed opinion or any specific suggestion, but I'd like to
    >> know what others think. Feel free to reply by E-mail, if you prefer.
    >>
    >> (For those who don't know, "moderation" means that posts would have to
    >> be accepted by a "moderator" before they appear. The idea is that the
    >> moderator or moderators wouldn't accept spam, trolls, and so on. Many
    >> formerly unmoderated groups have decided to become moderated, as spam
    >> and trolls gets worse.)
    >>
    >> Yves
    >>
    >> --
    >> Yves Bellefeuille , Ottawa, Canada
    >> Francais / English / Esperanto
    >> Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html
    >> Rec.travel.europe FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/europe/faq
    >In a rather long thread so far, I've counted exactly 2 individuals who
    >support this proposal, one of them The Mighty Fascist. Add me to those
    >opposed.

LOL

The Mighty Rushie voted yes just to make sure all you
liberals voted no.

Worked too...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rush

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:06:48 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
wrote:

    >David Gascon wrote:
    >>The Mighty Rushie wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Wonderful idea!
    >>>
    >>> Count me in...
    >>>
    >>Figures that the resident fascist would favor this...
    >He wants to be moderator.
    >PB

He IS the moderator!!!


Rush

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:24:28 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, The Mighty Rushie
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... The Mighty Rushie voted yes just to make sure all you
... liberals voted no.
...
... Worked too...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Delirium tremens will follow very soon.

In article ,
[email protected] (Gregory Morrow) wrote:

    > Usenet is supposed to be about fun. For many of us, it is an amusing
    > diversion from the vagaries of daily life.

I thought it *was* life. You mean...there's MORE???

On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:11:29 -0400, [email protected] (Yves Bellefeuille)
wrote:

    >There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
    >regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?

War spam is certainly dying down. And with a little more assiduity
(hint hint to all), we can make the commercial spammers less welcome.