Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
Apr 14th 2003 | 1:57 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
"Yves Bellefeuille" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> There's been a lot of spam and trolls
> in rec.travel.europe lately.
No, there hasn't.
> Do regular posters feel that the time has come
> to moderate the group?
No.
> For those who don't know, "moderation" means
> that posts would have to be accepted by a "moderator"
> before they appear.
For those who don't or won't realize it, "moderation" is a euphemism for
censorship. I'll take the so-called trolls in exchange for freedom of
speech.
> Many formerly unmoderated groups have decided
> to become moderated ...
Really? Which ones?
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> There's been a lot of spam and trolls
> in rec.travel.europe lately.
No, there hasn't.
> Do regular posters feel that the time has come
> to moderate the group?
No.
> For those who don't know, "moderation" means
> that posts would have to be accepted by a "moderator"
> before they appear.
For those who don't or won't realize it, "moderation" is a euphemism for
censorship. I'll take the so-called trolls in exchange for freedom of
speech.
> Many formerly unmoderated groups have decided
> to become moderated ...
Really? Which ones?
Apr 14th 2003 | 1:58 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
"Nancy Kay" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> And what is your description of an American
> fascist?? One that does not agree with your
> point of view on a subject????
No, just someone who wants to silence me any time he doesn't agree with
me--which is the exact purpose of moderation, of course.
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> And what is your description of an American
> fascist?? One that does not agree with your
> point of view on a subject????
No, just someone who wants to silence me any time he doesn't agree with
me--which is the exact purpose of moderation, of course.
Apr 14th 2003 | 2:00 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
"Keith Anderson" a écrit dans le
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> Quite so - my (albeit limited) experience of
> moderated message boards is that when they
> become dull, a few brave souls try to liven
> them up. The "liveners" break the rules, are
> labelled trolls and then banned - then others
> leave in disgust and the boards become the
> boring haunt of an in-crowd. Same old same-old.
I have a great deal of experience with moderated discussion fora, and I've
reached exactly the same conclusions.
message de news: [email protected]...
> Quite so - my (albeit limited) experience of
> moderated message boards is that when they
> become dull, a few brave souls try to liven
> them up. The "liveners" break the rules, are
> labelled trolls and then banned - then others
> leave in disgust and the boards become the
> boring haunt of an in-crowd. Same old same-old.
I have a great deal of experience with moderated discussion fora, and I've
reached exactly the same conclusions.
Apr 14th 2003 | 2:01 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
"Hatunen" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> Many usenet groups are moderated.
Not many, but some. They are easy to recognize because they are nearly
empty.
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> Many usenet groups are moderated.
Not many, but some. They are easy to recognize because they are nearly
empty.
Apr 14th 2003 | 2:03 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
"Yves Bellefeuille" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> The people in charge of these things have
> declared a moratorium on "moderating in place" ...
Nobody is "in charge" of USENET.
> In this case, rec.travel.europe would continue
> as an unmoderated group, and a new moderated
> group called rec.travel.europe.moderated (for
> example) would be created.
Go for it.
> ... however, if the new moderated group is found
> to be useful, people might decide to "migrate" there.
Theoretically possible, but I've never seen it happen.
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> The people in charge of these things have
> declared a moratorium on "moderating in place" ...
Nobody is "in charge" of USENET.
> In this case, rec.travel.europe would continue
> as an unmoderated group, and a new moderated
> group called rec.travel.europe.moderated (for
> example) would be created.
Go for it.
> ... however, if the new moderated group is found
> to be useful, people might decide to "migrate" there.
Theoretically possible, but I've never seen it happen.
Apr 14th 2003 | 2:05 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
"Luca Logi" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> We are three people looking about a newsgroup
> with 100 posts a day, most of them coming from a
> group of trusted people we can put on automatic
> approvation.
You're propagating a newsgroup over the entire planet just for that?
1ftef13.1chf91h1t4cgeaN%[email protected]...
> We are three people looking about a newsgroup
> with 100 posts a day, most of them coming from a
> group of trusted people we can put on automatic
> approvation.
You're propagating a newsgroup over the entire planet just for that?
Apr 14th 2003 | 2:33 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
I think moderating would be a problem. There may be some reason moderate
some groups (it was done to comp.ai a few years ago, maybe six, and the
newsgroup has been much more useful since) however, I personally think that
recreational groups should be open and free to all speech.
This group isn't by any means the worst I have seen. And some of the folks
arguing are not trolls, per se, but members of this internet community,
with strong opinion.s
And many of the posts I find most boring, are indeed on topic, as the
perception of the United States and her residents to folks in Europe is a
valid topic for a travel newsgroup.
I would vote no to changing this newsgroup. A new moderated newsgroupg
would be fine, and I would vote for it, because I believe it would not
hurt this newsgroup.
Julie
Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
> regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
> I don't have a fixed opinion or any specific suggestion, but I'd like to
> know what others think. Feel free to reply by E-mail, if you prefer.
> (For those who don't know, "moderation" means that posts would have to
> be accepted by a "moderator" before they appear. The idea is that the
> moderator or moderators wouldn't accept spam, trolls, and so on. Many
> formerly unmoderated groups have decided to become moderated, as spam
> and trolls gets worse.)
> Yves
> --
> Yves Bellefeuille , Ottawa, Canada
> Francais / English / Esperanto
> Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html
> Rec.travel.europe FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/europe/faq
--
Julie
**********
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http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
some groups (it was done to comp.ai a few years ago, maybe six, and the
newsgroup has been much more useful since) however, I personally think that
recreational groups should be open and free to all speech.
This group isn't by any means the worst I have seen. And some of the folks
arguing are not trolls, per se, but members of this internet community,
with strong opinion.s
And many of the posts I find most boring, are indeed on topic, as the
perception of the United States and her residents to folks in Europe is a
valid topic for a travel newsgroup.
I would vote no to changing this newsgroup. A new moderated newsgroupg
would be fine, and I would vote for it, because I believe it would not
hurt this newsgroup.
Julie
Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
> regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
> I don't have a fixed opinion or any specific suggestion, but I'd like to
> know what others think. Feel free to reply by E-mail, if you prefer.
> (For those who don't know, "moderation" means that posts would have to
> be accepted by a "moderator" before they appear. The idea is that the
> moderator or moderators wouldn't accept spam, trolls, and so on. Many
> formerly unmoderated groups have decided to become moderated, as spam
> and trolls gets worse.)
> Yves
> --
> Yves Bellefeuille , Ottawa, Canada
> Francais / English / Esperanto
> Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html
> Rec.travel.europe FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/europe/faq
--
Julie
**********
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
Apr 14th 2003 | 2:46 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:25:17 +0200, "Sjoerd"
wrote:
> Or do you read every single article in your daily newspaper?
Generally yes, a lot more than I do of rte threads, of course it's
also a local paper and for a different region of the country every few
weeks.
Jim.
wrote:
> Or do you read every single article in your daily newspaper?
Generally yes, a lot more than I do of rte threads, of course it's
also a local paper and for a different region of the country every few
weeks.
Jim.
Apr 14th 2003 | 2:46 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 04:42:59 GMT, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>Colin Bignell wrote:
>> "Adrian Rothery" wrote:
>>> Except that people would cross post, resulting in the people that
>>> subscribed to both having the job of sifting through the same posts
>>> twice.
>> Personally, I wouldn't bother to subscribe to the moderated group, as I see
>> no need for it, so I would only reply in the main group.
>Ditto.
Tritto...
Jim.
>Colin Bignell wrote:
>> "Adrian Rothery" wrote:
>>> Except that people would cross post, resulting in the people that
>>> subscribed to both having the job of sifting through the same posts
>>> twice.
>> Personally, I wouldn't bother to subscribe to the moderated group, as I see
>> no need for it, so I would only reply in the main group.
>Ditto.
Tritto...
Jim.
Apr 14th 2003 | 2:46 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:38:37 GMT, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
>Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for my mistake. Please assume that I was asking whether a
>> *companion* moderated group would be a good idea.
>It's a free country...er... internet - have fun. (No one is compelled
>to join you, however, so you may be a little lonely, there!)
I can't imagine it would get the votes, I'd vote against such a
creation.
Jim
wrote:
>Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for my mistake. Please assume that I was asking whether a
>> *companion* moderated group would be a good idea.
>It's a free country...er... internet - have fun. (No one is compelled
>to join you, however, so you may be a little lonely, there!)
I can't imagine it would get the votes, I'd vote against such a
creation.
Jim
Apr 14th 2003 | 3:25 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
> regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
No.
> There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
> regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
No.
Apr 14th 2003 | 3:43 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
The Mighty Rushie wrote:
>
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:11:29 -0400, [email protected] (Yves Bellefeuille)
> wrote:
>
> >There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
> >regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
> >
> >I don't have a fixed opinion or any specific suggestion, but I'd like to
> >know what others think. Feel free to reply by E-mail, if you prefer.
> >
> >(For those who don't know, "moderation" means that posts would have to
> >be accepted by a "moderator" before they appear. The idea is that the
> >moderator or moderators wouldn't accept spam, trolls, and so on. Many
> >formerly unmoderated groups have decided to become moderated, as spam
> >and trolls gets worse.)
> >
> >Yves
>
> Wonderful idea!
>
> Count me in...
>
> Rush
Figures that the resident fascist would favor this...
>
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:11:29 -0400, [email protected] (Yves Bellefeuille)
> wrote:
>
> >There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
> >regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
> >
> >I don't have a fixed opinion or any specific suggestion, but I'd like to
> >know what others think. Feel free to reply by E-mail, if you prefer.
> >
> >(For those who don't know, "moderation" means that posts would have to
> >be accepted by a "moderator" before they appear. The idea is that the
> >moderator or moderators wouldn't accept spam, trolls, and so on. Many
> >formerly unmoderated groups have decided to become moderated, as spam
> >and trolls gets worse.)
> >
> >Yves
>
> Wonderful idea!
>
> Count me in...
>
> Rush
Figures that the resident fascist would favor this...
Apr 14th 2003 | 3:53 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>
> There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
> regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
>
> I don't have a fixed opinion or any specific suggestion, but I'd like to
> know what others think. Feel free to reply by E-mail, if you prefer.
>
> (For those who don't know, "moderation" means that posts would have to
> be accepted by a "moderator" before they appear. The idea is that the
> moderator or moderators wouldn't accept spam, trolls, and so on. Many
> formerly unmoderated groups have decided to become moderated, as spam
> and trolls gets worse.)
>
> Yves
>
> --
> Yves Bellefeuille , Ottawa, Canada
> Francais / English / Esperanto
> Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html
> Rec.travel.europe FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/europe/faq
In a rather long thread so far, I've counted exactly 2 individuals who
support this proposal, one of them The Mighty Fascist. Add me to those
opposed.
>
> There's been a lot of spam and trolls in rec.travel.europe lately. Do
> regular posters feel that the time has come to moderate the group?
>
> I don't have a fixed opinion or any specific suggestion, but I'd like to
> know what others think. Feel free to reply by E-mail, if you prefer.
>
> (For those who don't know, "moderation" means that posts would have to
> be accepted by a "moderator" before they appear. The idea is that the
> moderator or moderators wouldn't accept spam, trolls, and so on. Many
> formerly unmoderated groups have decided to become moderated, as spam
> and trolls gets worse.)
>
> Yves
>
> --
> Yves Bellefeuille , Ottawa, Canada
> Francais / English / Esperanto
> Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html
> Rec.travel.europe FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/europe/faq
In a rather long thread so far, I've counted exactly 2 individuals who
support this proposal, one of them The Mighty Fascist. Add me to those
opposed.
Apr 14th 2003 | 3:58 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:00:11 +0200, "Mxsmanic"
wrote:
>"Keith Anderson" a écrit dans le
>message de news: [email protected]...
>> Quite so - my (albeit limited) experience of
>> moderated message boards is that when they
>> become dull, a few brave souls try to liven
>> them up. The "liveners" break the rules, are
>> labelled trolls and then banned - then others
>> leave in disgust and the boards become the
>> boring haunt of an in-crowd. Same old same-old.
>I have a great deal of experience with moderated discussion fora, and I've
>reached exactly the same conclusions.
Bloody hell! A "First" for rec.travel.europe - agreement between me
and Dr Manix-Depressive!
wrote:
>"Keith Anderson" a écrit dans le
>message de news: [email protected]...
>> Quite so - my (albeit limited) experience of
>> moderated message boards is that when they
>> become dull, a few brave souls try to liven
>> them up. The "liveners" break the rules, are
>> labelled trolls and then banned - then others
>> leave in disgust and the boards become the
>> boring haunt of an in-crowd. Same old same-old.
>I have a great deal of experience with moderated discussion fora, and I've
>reached exactly the same conclusions.
Bloody hell! A "First" for rec.travel.europe - agreement between me
and Dr Manix-Depressive!
Apr 14th 2003 | 6:06 am
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Re: Should rec.travel.europe be moderated?
David Gascon wrote:
>The Mighty Rushie wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful idea!
>>
>> Count me in...
>>
>Figures that the resident fascist would favor this...
He wants to be moderator.
PB
>The Mighty Rushie wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful idea!
>>
>> Count me in...
>>
>Figures that the resident fascist would favor this...
He wants to be moderator.
PB
