On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:15:33 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

> The Brits are very protective about the amount
>of beer they get, and even have laws protecting them from
>infringements!

its not a beer issue, its an everything issue, petrol pumps are
inspected, quantities printed on bottles, scales checked, is it
different elsewhere in well regulated economies?
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:16:08 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

> I am mostly muscle

i'm mostly brain.
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 14:39:56 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

>"about 210
>pounds." She turned to her husband and asked, "How much is that
>in stone?"

we do people weight in stones or metric. Some people wouldn't be any
good at mental arithmetic or not realise the relationship I suppose. A
weight expressed in pounds wouldn't instantly mean anything to most in
UK.
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The Reid wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:18:59 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
> >The whole Soviet thing of weighing food (and it still happens) is
> >utterly miserable.
>
> soviet?????


On Russian resto menus it was (and apparently still can be) common for meat
portion sizes to be listed by gram weights, this was standard in even the
"top class" places (one hesitates to use the term "top class" in reference
to any Soviet - era eateries), IIRC they do this with vodka, etc. too...and
of course with caviar.

We in the west are used to seeing portion size terms for various things too,
e.g. "small", "medium", "large", "quarter/half pound", etc. but this Soviet
gram thing was IIRC mandated by law...especially since meat, etc. was hard
to come by in the old USSR. And in the old USSR it was rare for average
folk to frequent restaurants in any case, they were primarily for
"celebration" purposes only and thus expensive...most catering facilities
were work canteens and the like. Until McDonald's, Pizza Hut, etc., arrived
on the Soviet scene in Moscow c. 1990 there really was no culture of
frequenting restaurants...until then restos were mainly for tourists or
free - spending apparatchiks.

--
Best
Greg

On Fri, 11 May 2007 07:28:17 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> soviet?????
>
>
>On Russian resto menus it was (and apparently still can be) common for meat
>portion sizes to be listed by gram weights

Ah, I see DFM is talking about restros.
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:10:00 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 00:00:06 +0200,
>Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:
>
>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:43:18 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>>chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>>>Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 07:33:54 +0100, The Reid
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Wed, 09 May 2007 20:28:22 -0700, VainGlorious
>>>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>This aversion to full immersion was partly because older Americans
>>>> >>displayed an inability to grasp metric
>>>> >
>>>> >same anywhere. I have no idea how tall I am in metric.
>>>>
>>>> About ten years ago we were vsiting some friends in England. The
>>>> wife wanted to know what I weighed, and I replied, "about 210
>>>> pounds." She turned to her husband and asked, "How much is that
>>>> in stone?"
>>>
>>>That's no surprise.
>>
>>Once I had worked out that an American doesn't refer to his own wife as "the
>>wife"
>
>Wife is generally a derogatory term. If you like them, use their name.

How many wives gave you got?
--

Martin

On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:15:33 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Make credence recognised that on Thu, 10 May 2007 18:23:16 -0400,
>"James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> has scripted:
>
>> Martin wrote on Fri, 11 May 2007 00:03:57 +0200:
>>
>>
>> ??>> ??>> Hatunen wrote on Thu, 10 May 2007 14:46:35 -0700:
>> ??>> ??>>
>> ??>>
>> ??>> I seem to remember the terminology on my first visit to
>> ??>> Munich in the 60s was "ein grosses Bier" was a liter and
>> ??>> "ein kleines Bier" was half a liter. Anyone who wants to
>> ??>> correct my German grammar is welcome to do so but don't
>> ??>> hope for much improvement!
>>
>> M> ein Maß (somebody will correct spelling) is a litre, ein
>> M> grosses usually results in in half a litre.
>>
>> M> Litre glasses are often not much more than 2/3 full.
>>
>>Interesting Martin! I am surprised that in a well-regulated
>>country like Germany there so little precision :-) When I was a
>>student, beer glasses were marked with a line that the beer had
>>to reach in England. There was room for foam above the line. In
>>Scotland, they did not trust this and the law required filling
>>to the brim with liquid.
>
>That's an anglo thing. The Brits are very protective about the amount
>of beer they get, and even have laws protecting them from
>infringements!

If you see how little you get in a Dutch glass of beer, maybe the British are
right, as always.
--

Martin

On 11 May, 10:29, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:15:33 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
>
>
>
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >Make credence recognised that on Thu, 10 May 2007 18:23:16 -0400,
> >"James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> has scripted:
>
> >> Martin wrote on Fri, 11 May 2007 00:03:57 +0200:
>
> >> ??>> ??>> Hatunen wrote on Thu, 10 May 2007 14:46:35 -0700:
> >> ??>> ??>>
> >> ??>>
> >> ??>> I seem to remember the terminology on my first visit to
> >> ??>> Munich in the 60s was "ein grosses Bier" was a liter and
> >> ??>> "ein kleines Bier" was half a liter. Anyone who wants to
> >> ??>> correct my German grammar is welcome to do so but don't
> >> ??>> hope for much improvement!
>
> >> M> ein Maß (somebody will correct spelling) is a litre, ein
> >> M> grosses usually results in in half a litre.
>
> >> M> Litre glasses are often not much more than 2/3 full.
>
> >>Interesting Martin! I am surprised that in a well-regulated
> >>country like Germany there so little precision :-) When I was a
> >>student, beer glasses were marked with a line that the beer had
> >>to reach in England. There was room for foam above the line. In
> >>Scotland, they did not trust this and the law required filling
> >>to the brim with liquid.
>
> >That's an anglo thing. The Brits are very protective about the amount
> >of beer they get, and even have laws protecting them from
> >infringements!
>
> If you see how little you get in a Dutch glass of beer, maybe the British are
> right, as always.
> --
>
> Martin

right to live in holland.......

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 07:45:16 +0100, The
Reid <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:18:59 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>The whole Soviet thing of weighing food (and it still happens) is
>>utterly miserable.
>
>soviet?????

That appear to be where the notion came from.

>>As if weight is so infinitely more important than quality.
>
>What an odd thing to say. Many things are sold by weight with the
>price per K is decided by the quality. Use of weight has no bearing on
>respect for quality.

I was referring to restaurant food actually. In many places in eastern
Europe they still 'weigh' your food on the plate, and charge you
accordingly.
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Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 10:29:35 +0200,
Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:15:33 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>>That's an anglo thing. The Brits are very protective about the amount
>>of beer they get, and even have laws protecting them from
>>infringements!
>
>If you see how little you get in a Dutch glass of beer, maybe the British are
>right, as always.

In this case, they are definitely right!
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 11:30:24 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>I was referring to restaurant food actually.

I know that now, a mention in the earlier post would have been
informative.
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Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 10:28:31 +0200,
Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:10:00 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 00:00:06 +0200,
>>Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>
>>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:43:18 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>>>chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 07:33:54 +0100, The Reid
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Wed, 09 May 2007 20:28:22 -0700, VainGlorious
>>>>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>This aversion to full immersion was partly because older Americans
>>>>> >>displayed an inability to grasp metric
>>>>> >
>>>>> >same anywhere. I have no idea how tall I am in metric.
>>>>>
>>>>> About ten years ago we were vsiting some friends in England. The
>>>>> wife wanted to know what I weighed, and I replied, "about 210
>>>>> pounds." She turned to her husband and asked, "How much is that
>>>>> in stone?"
>>>>
>>>>That's no surprise.
>>>
>>>Once I had worked out that an American doesn't refer to his own wife as "the
>>>wife"
>>
>>Wife is generally a derogatory term. If you like them, use their name.
>
>How many wives gave you got?

Damn, I meant to say title, and not term.
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 11:30:24 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>I was referring to restaurant food actually. In many places in eastern
>Europe they still 'weigh' your food on the plate, and charge you
>accordingly.

Not just Europe. Also NYC delis.


Cheers, Alan, Australia
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Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 10:32:10 +0100, The
Reid <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Fri, 11 May 2007 11:30:24 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>I was referring to restaurant food actually.
>
>I know that now, a mention in the earlier post would have been
>informative.

I posted it about 10 minutes after I should have gone to bed.
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On 8/05/07 21:13, in article
[email protected] om, "Chiken Koma"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Campaigners fighting EU plans to abolish imperial measures have
> claimed victory for pounds and ounces.


The problem is that nobody defends the logic of the system.
For instance it is superbly logical that there are 12 inches
to a foot. The inch is the distance between outer joint and the
end of the thumb (pouce in French, see
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pouce_(unité)). If you take a
foot you find there are 12 pouces to a foot, meaning, roughly
that the foot (one of your feet) is 12 times longer than
the thumb measure. This is practical since if you have
no measuring tape with you, you wan whip out your thumb and
measure it.

The fact the there are 5280 feet to a mile- is easy to remember
and to measure a mile you only have to pace off 5280 foot steps
(closely paced out). Or if you have a step march of 3 feet
you can pace them off in yards.

So anybody who has a ounce of good sense will stick with
the old system of measuring things. Let us also defend the hogshead
and the grain, the league and the fathom, the links and the chains.