On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:54:49 -0400, "James Silverton"
<not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> wrote:

> Hatunen wrote on Thu, 10 May 2007 14:46:35 -0700:
>
> ??>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 10:05:38 +0100, The Reid
> ??>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> ??>>
> ??>>>> Not sure about that. I can easily deal with a half or
> ??>>>> quarter litre of beer.
> ??>>>
> ??>>> Yes, but i'm contrasting the key quantity and its
> ??>>> relevance (of course we can cope). I have drunk a litre
> ??>>> glass of beer, but its hardly convenient!
> ??>>
> ??>> I found half-litres in Munich on a Saturday morning in the
> ??>> square very convenient. No queue when the queue for litres
> ??>> was 100 deep. For a very logical people that particular
> ??>> bit of logic escaped me. Until I realised that there was a
> ??>> sort of macho thing - it wasn't done to be seen drinking
> ??>> such a wimp size.
> ??>>
> ??>> So I was a wimp - and got served much more quickly:-)
>
> H> But isn't a half-litre of beer more costly that half the
> H> price of a litre?
>
>I seem to remember the terminology on my first visit to Munich
>in the 60s was "ein grosses Bier" was a liter and "ein kleines
>Bier" was half a liter. Anyone who wants to correct my German
>grammar is welcome to do so but don't hope for much improvement!

ein Maß (somebody will correct spelling) is a litre, ein grosses usually results
in in half a litre.

Litre glasses are often not much more than 2/3 full.
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Martin

On Thu, 10 May 2007 14:38:21 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:05:54 -0400, "Frank F. Matthews"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Mary Pegg wrote:
>>
>>> Hatunen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In fact, the US is metric where it counts, including in
>>>>international trade.
>>>
>>>
>>> Where it counts would be in science and engineering but it's
>>> still not happening, AIUI.
>>>
>>
>>I'm not sure of Engineering but pretty much all US science has been done
>>in metric units for 50 years.
>
>Yep.
>
>As to engineering, unless something is being engineered to sell
>in a foreign country, what does it matter? And if it is being
>engineered for a foreign country it will be engineered metric.

When a car is developed for both home and export markets which units are used?
--

Martin

Martin wrote on Fri, 11 May 2007 00:03:57 +0200:


??>> ??>> Hatunen wrote on Thu, 10 May 2007 14:46:35 -0700:
??>> ??>>
??>>
??>> I seem to remember the terminology on my first visit to
??>> Munich in the 60s was "ein grosses Bier" was a liter and
??>> "ein kleines Bier" was half a liter. Anyone who wants to
??>> correct my German grammar is welcome to do so but don't
??>> hope for much improvement!

M> ein Maß (somebody will correct spelling) is a litre, ein
M> grosses usually results in in half a litre.

M> Litre glasses are often not much more than 2/3 full.

Interesting Martin! I am surprised that in a well-regulated
country like Germany there so little precision :-) When I was a
student, beer glasses were marked with a line that the beer had
to reach in England. There was room for foam above the line. In
Scotland, they did not trust this and the law required filling
to the brim with liquid.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
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> In fact, the US is metric where it counts, including in
> international trade.

They better not be with camera tripod mounts if they expect to sell
any (the international standard is 1/4" and 3/8" Whitworth).

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 18:23:16 -0400, "James Silverton"
<not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> wrote:

> Martin wrote on Fri, 11 May 2007 00:03:57 +0200:
>
>
> ??>> ??>> Hatunen wrote on Thu, 10 May 2007 14:46:35 -0700:
> ??>> ??>>
> ??>>
> ??>> I seem to remember the terminology on my first visit to
> ??>> Munich in the 60s was "ein grosses Bier" was a liter and
> ??>> "ein kleines Bier" was half a liter. Anyone who wants to
> ??>> correct my German grammar is welcome to do so but don't
> ??>> hope for much improvement!
>
> M> ein Maß (somebody will correct spelling) is a litre, ein
> M> grosses usually results in in half a litre.
>
> M> Litre glasses are often not much more than 2/3 full.
>
>Interesting Martin! I am surprised that in a well-regulated
>country like Germany there so little precision :-)

They are too rich.
They switched from ceramic pots to glasses in the 1960s because of complaints
about short measure. With a glass you can see why they complained.
The trend is for smaller and smaller glasses 250ml 330 ml 500 ml. Beer drinking
isn't considered healthy.

>When I was a
>student, beer glasses were marked with a line that the beer had
>to reach in England. There was room for foam above the line. In
>Scotland, they did not trust this and the law required filling
>to the brim with liquid.

The line on a beer glass is an innovation in England too.
There were legal cases to decide whether or not the foam constituted part of the
beer.
--

Martin

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 00:00:06 +0200,
Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:43:18 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 07:33:54 +0100, The Reid
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Wed, 09 May 2007 20:28:22 -0700, VainGlorious
>>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>This aversion to full immersion was partly because older Americans
>>> >>displayed an inability to grasp metric
>>> >
>>> >same anywhere. I have no idea how tall I am in metric.
>>>
>>> About ten years ago we were vsiting some friends in England. The
>>> wife wanted to know what I weighed, and I replied, "about 210
>>> pounds." She turned to her husband and asked, "How much is that
>>> in stone?"
>>
>>That's no surprise.
>
>Once I had worked out that an American doesn't refer to his own wife as "the
>wife"

Wife is generally a derogatory term. If you like them, use their name.
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Make credence recognised that on Thu, 10 May 2007 18:23:16 -0400,
"James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> has scripted:

> Martin wrote on Fri, 11 May 2007 00:03:57 +0200:
>
>
> ??>> ??>> Hatunen wrote on Thu, 10 May 2007 14:46:35 -0700:
> ??>> ??>>
> ??>>
> ??>> I seem to remember the terminology on my first visit to
> ??>> Munich in the 60s was "ein grosses Bier" was a liter and
> ??>> "ein kleines Bier" was half a liter. Anyone who wants to
> ??>> correct my German grammar is welcome to do so but don't
> ??>> hope for much improvement!
>
> M> ein Maß (somebody will correct spelling) is a litre, ein
> M> grosses usually results in in half a litre.
>
> M> Litre glasses are often not much more than 2/3 full.
>
>Interesting Martin! I am surprised that in a well-regulated
>country like Germany there so little precision :-) When I was a
>student, beer glasses were marked with a line that the beer had
>to reach in England. There was room for foam above the line. In
>Scotland, they did not trust this and the law required filling
>to the brim with liquid.

That's an anglo thing. The Brits are very protective about the amount
of beer they get, and even have laws protecting them from
infringements!
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Make credence recognised that on Thu, 10 May 2007 15:07:49 -0400,
"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> has scripted:

>
>
>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:

>> half a kilo isn't a problem, but it depends what you're buying. I don't
>> think much about weight when I'm buying seafood anyway- I'll say, one of
>> those, a dozen of those and so on.
>>
>
>It is interesting how rarely a weight measurement is used in purchasing
>food.

Interesting??? It's a downright blessing!!!

The whole Soviet thing of weighing food (and it still happens) is
utterly miserable.

As if weight is so infinitely more important than quality. Oddly, this
has led to many folks getting really fat!
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Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:

>Wife is generally a derogatory term. If you like them, use their name.
>
That presumes that you know it.

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Hatunen wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 00:30:13 +0200, Martin <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>They are too rich.
>>They switched from ceramic pots to glasses in the 1960s because of complaints
>>about short measure. With a glass you can see why they complained.
>>The trend is for smaller and smaller glasses 250ml 330 ml 500 ml. Beer drinking
>>isn't considered healthy.
>
>
> Along those lines, I've wondered how they typical can of soda in
> Europe came to be 330 ml.
>
>

They wanted to be different from the normal 355 ml can.

Hatunen wrote:

> On Thu, 10 May 2007 09:54:33 +0100, [email protected] (David
> Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>
>
>>Originally, perhaps, but I think that we deal with so many different
>>sizes now that it's less important- perhaps also with the
>>industrialisation and mechanisation of so many aspects of life. There's
>>surely no more relevance to us of a mile than a kilometer, even a pound
>>to a kilogramme?
>
>
> Now if they would just internationally establish uniform clothing
> and show sizes.
>

There is little standardization even in a domestic market.



>
>>>The metric system is of a scientific basis. It gives the great
>>>advantage of easy to use subdivisions which you certainly don't get in
>>>imperial! But you do get a name for a glass of beer about the size you
>>>want
>>
>>Not sure about that. I can easily deal with a half or quarter litre of
>>beer.
>
>
> American civil engineering largely retains the foot as the
> standard unit, but deals in decimals of a foot, as "301.12 feet".
> There are no fractions. Some manufacturers do similarly with
> inches as their stndard unit. As far back as the 1950s Ford was
> using inches and 1/100 of an inch as units. Curiously, though,
> the basic sizes of tires are still expressed in inches, even in
> metric countries.
>

On Fri, 11 May 2007 00:05:20 +0200, Martin <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Thu, 10 May 2007 14:38:21 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:05:54 -0400, "Frank F. Matthews"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Mary Pegg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hatunen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In fact, the US is metric where it counts, including in
>>>>>international trade.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where it counts would be in science and engineering but it's
>>>> still not happening, AIUI.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm not sure of Engineering but pretty much all US science has been done
>>>in metric units for 50 years.
>>
>>Yep.
>>
>>As to engineering, unless something is being engineered to sell
>>in a foreign country, what does it matter? And if it is being
>>engineered for a foreign country it will be engineered metric.
>
>When a car is developed for both home and export markets which units are used?

Metric.

I believe they mostly are now in any case.

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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Fri, 11 May 2007 00:30:13 +0200, Martin <[email protected]>
wrote:

>They are too rich.
>They switched from ceramic pots to glasses in the 1960s because of complaints
>about short measure. With a glass you can see why they complained.
>The trend is for smaller and smaller glasses 250ml 330 ml 500 ml. Beer drinking
>isn't considered healthy.

Along those lines, I've wondered how they typical can of soda in
Europe came to be 330 ml.


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* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:

> Make credence recognised that on Thu, 10 May 2007 15:07:49 -0400,
> "Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>
> >
> >
> >David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>
> >> half a kilo isn't a problem, but it depends what you're buying. I don't
> >> think much about weight when I'm buying seafood anyway- I'll say, one
of
> >> those, a dozen of those and so on.
> >>
> >
> >It is interesting how rarely a weight measurement is used in purchasing
> >food.
>
> Interesting??? It's a downright blessing!!!
>
> The whole Soviet thing of weighing food (and it still happens) is
> utterly miserable.


Do you fancy a meal of "100 grammes of meat kotlet" at the "Hotel
Intourist", DFM...???

--
Best
Greg

On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:18:59 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>The whole Soviet thing of weighing food (and it still happens) is
>utterly miserable.

soviet?????

>As if weight is so infinitely more important than quality.

What an odd thing to say. Many things are sold by weight with the
price per K is decided by the quality. Use of weight has no bearing on
respect for quality.
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