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Planning trip to Paris/London

Old Feb 6th 2007, 3:45 am
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-Martin
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:35:47 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:28:25 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >[]
>> >> On the other hand, if you're just interested in the main tourist
>> >> attractions, the central market square, the local cathedral and a couple
>> >> of museums, then 3-4 days will do nicely.
>> >
>> >You mean cities have more to offer than just that? My god, I must look
>> >more closely next time.
>>
>> Munich definitely has much more than that.
>
>I was being sarcastic.

So was I.
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Old Feb 6th 2007, 3:52 am
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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:35:47 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:28:25 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >[]
> >> >> On the other hand, if you're just interested in the main tourist
> >> >> attractions, the central market square, the local cathedral and a couple
> >> >> of museums, then 3-4 days will do nicely.
> >> >
> >> >You mean cities have more to offer than just that? My god, I must look
> >> >more closely next time.
> >>
> >> Munich definitely has much more than that.
> >
> >I was being sarcastic.
>
> So was I.

Ah- I've never been- I wouldn't know.

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Old Feb 6th 2007, 4:10 am
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:52:15 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:35:47 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:28:25 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >[]
>> >> >> On the other hand, if you're just interested in the main tourist
>> >> >> attractions, the central market square, the local cathedral and a couple
>> >> >> of museums, then 3-4 days will do nicely.
>> >> >
>> >> >You mean cities have more to offer than just that? My god, I must look
>> >> >more closely next time.
>> >>
>> >> Munich definitely has much more than that.
>> >
>> >I was being sarcastic.
>>
>> So was I.
>
>Ah- I've never been- I wouldn't know.

A good place for Tapas NOT.
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Old Feb 6th 2007, 4:37 am
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:52:15 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> >> Munich definitely has much more than that.
>> >
>> >I was being sarcastic.
>>
>> So was I.
>
>Ah- I've never been- I wouldn't know.

there's a lager festival, motorways with no speed limits and much much
more, as the man said.
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Old Feb 6th 2007, 4:48 am
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:52:15 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >> Munich definitely has much more than that.
> >> >
> >> >I was being sarcastic.
> >>
> >> So was I.
> >
> >Ah- I've never been- I wouldn't know.
>
> there's [...] motorways with no speed limits and much much
> more,

Not in Munich, I imagine.

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Old Feb 6th 2007, 5:17 am
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:48:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> there's [...] motorways with no speed limits and much much
>> more,
>
>Not in Munich, I imagine.

Germans do like fast roads so who knows? I've only been to the airport
myself and then a coach to Obergurgl, or was it Sol?
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Old Feb 6th 2007, 5:40 am
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:48:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> there's [...] motorways with no speed limits and much much
> >> more,
> >
> >Not in Munich, I imagine.
>
> Germans do like fast roads so who knows?

Who cares? Have you looked at the difference in the death rate on German
motorways compared to UK motorways? If not, you should, then ask
yourself how great speed is. Jeez.

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Old Feb 6th 2007, 10:03 am
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:48:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:52:15 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Munich definitely has much more than that.
>> >> >
>> >> >I was being sarcastic.
>> >>
>> >> So was I.
>> >
>> >Ah- I've never been- I wouldn't know.
>>
>> there's [...] motorways with no speed limits and much much
>> more,
>
>Not in Munich, I imagine.

It's got BMW HQ, Munich scores -10 points.
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Martin
 
Old Feb 6th 2007, 10:05 am
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:40:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:48:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> there's [...] motorways with no speed limits and much much
>> >> more,
>> >
>> >Not in Munich, I imagine.
>>
>> Germans do like fast roads so who knows?
>
>Who cares? Have you looked at the difference in the death rate on German
>motorways compared to UK motorways? If not, you should, then ask
>yourself how great speed is. Jeez.

The autobahn between Munich and Salzburg had the same annual fatality rate as
UK one year.
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Martin
 
Old Feb 6th 2007, 3:36 pm
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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:40:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:48:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> there's [...] motorways with no speed limits and much much
> >> >> more,
> >> >
> >> >Not in Munich, I imagine.
> >>
> >> Germans do like fast roads so who knows?
> >
> >Who cares? Have you looked at the difference in the death rate on German
> >motorways compared to UK motorways? If not, you should, then ask
> >yourself how great speed is. Jeez.
>
> The autobahn between Munich and Salzburg had the same annual fatality rate as
> UK one year.

That's fine, but generally there's a big difference.

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Old Feb 6th 2007, 6:24 pm
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On 4 Feb., 23:17, [email protected] wrote:
> I have never been to Europe so I don't even no where to start. I can
> travel any time during the year. We are starting in Cleveland since it
> is my first time I would like to know if it is better to do it on my
> own or go with a tour. any help would be appriciated. What is the best
> time of the year to go. I will accept e-mails.

Paris is imho one of the few places in
Europe where August is best time to
visit: most inhabitants are on vacation,
rates for many hotels lowest, no
problem getting a cab. Sure: more
tourists than usual, some business
closed, but alltogether still the time
of year I prefer to return if for a vacation

Sorry, no first hand info on London
I would dare to forward - had no
occasion returning there for several
years ....

For the more general questions on
Europe: depends mostly on what
YOU like and are looking for. Arts,
architecture, sports, fun, beaches,
scenery, food ..... ?

Most regions a worth a visit, for some
finding interesting places is easier
than for others, a local guide knowing
your interests would be the ideal
solution. I dont see any need for
a guided tour for places such as
Paris or London, as there is plenty
of information available (in almost
any language), and also many
offers for city tours and other
sightseeing.
 
Old Feb 6th 2007, 8:31 pm
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:40:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> Germans do like fast roads so who knows?
>
>Who cares?

Well, I probably would, I had a feeling you wouldn't but it seems you
do.

>Have you looked at the difference in the death rate on German
>motorways compared to UK motorways? If not, you should, then ask
>yourself how great speed is. Jeez.

Well, I don't always choose the safest thing, in fact I rarely do.
Travelling at 20 mph is indeed safer, no doubt you would love to see
that imposed everywhere?
Travelling on any motorway is a lot safer than elsewhere, so I
wouldn't be worrying about the difference between small risk and
slightly smaller.

"Germany compares relatively well with other countries with regard to
the death rate on motorways, with 3.8 fatalities per billion km
traveled. While this is higher than the UK's two deaths, it is lower
than the USA, France, Austria, Japan and Ireland."

"There will always be things we can do to make our roads safer, but
the simple truth is that it's the drivers that are the problem not the
roads. It is a common myth that speed causes accidents, this is not
technically true. Less than 4%* of accidents in the UK are due
exclusively to excessive speed. What causes accidents, is driving
inappropriately for the current conditions. Driving at 80km on a
country road in the wet is far more dangerous than driving at 150km on
a motorway."

The Germans could make some improvements:-

"Germany's autobahn's are not as good as Germans think they are. They
need better lighting, "cats eyes" and better signs. However the
artificially low speed limit on British motorways encourages dangerous
driving, while British speed limits on country lanes and residential
areas are often too high."

* speed is almost always cited as a contributor, which is of course
always true if you want it to be.

Of course if you listen to people like "brake" you will believe
driving on an autobahn is certain death because of partial lack of
speed limits. If you look at it rationally it seems there are probably
other reasons UK is the safest and countries like US (where speed is
frowned on) are much worse than Germany.

Why don't you argue against cars where it makes sense, emissions and
congestion, rather than where it doesn't, like convenience or motorway
speed?
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Old Feb 6th 2007, 8:31 pm
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 04:36:51 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> The autobahn between Munich and Salzburg had the same annual fatality rate as
>> UK one year.
>
>That's fine, but generally there's a big difference.

small difference and Germany isn't at the top of the league.
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Old Feb 6th 2007, 8:49 pm
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 04:36:51 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:40:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:48:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> there's [...] motorways with no speed limits and much much
>> >> >> more,
>> >> >
>> >> >Not in Munich, I imagine.
>> >>
>> >> Germans do like fast roads so who knows?
>> >
>> >Who cares? Have you looked at the difference in the death rate on German
>> >motorways compared to UK motorways? If not, you should, then ask
>> >yourself how great speed is. Jeez.
>>
>> The autobahn between Munich and Salzburg had the same annual fatality rate as
>> UK one year.
>
>That's fine, but generally there's a big difference.

It was around 35 years ago. In the meantime the autobahn has been improved and
traffic jams reduce average speed.
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Martin
 
Old Feb 7th 2007, 4:26 am
  #45  
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 04:36:51 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> The autobahn between Munich and Salzburg had the same annual fatality
> >> rate as UK one year.
> >
> >That's fine, but generally there's a big difference.
>
> small difference and Germany isn't at the top of the league.

Tell me the difference, and explain why Germany not being at the top of
the league matters.

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