Paris, 33?C on Monday
Jun 24th 2005, 6:49 am
#61
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Re: Paris, 33?C on Monday
On 24/06/05 2:50, in article [email protected],
"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:27:53 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hatunen writes:
>>
>>> But they were witnessses to the shark feedings, the dead being
>>> unable to provide withness.
>>
>> If the sharks had been truly hungry, there would be no witnesses.
>
> You don't really know much about the Indianapolis sinking, do
> you?
>
There are several "recent books" on this sinking. One of them is at the
American Library in Paris, which is where I found it a couple of years
ago. I seem to remember one around in pocket book size recently.
Of 1,199 only 315 were rescued. The relative numbers lost to sharks vs
injury and exposure is not known, I believe.
The biggest historical debate was over the court marshal of its Captain
Charles Mc Vay who failed to zig-zag. I think the biggest problem was
in the failure of the naval command to recognize the ship missing,
which caused the survivors to spend a lot more time in the water than
necessary. Sharks are a secondary issue, of course.
"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:27:53 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hatunen writes:
>>
>>> But they were witnessses to the shark feedings, the dead being
>>> unable to provide withness.
>>
>> If the sharks had been truly hungry, there would be no witnesses.
>
> You don't really know much about the Indianapolis sinking, do
> you?
>
There are several "recent books" on this sinking. One of them is at the
American Library in Paris, which is where I found it a couple of years
ago. I seem to remember one around in pocket book size recently.
Of 1,199 only 315 were rescued. The relative numbers lost to sharks vs
injury and exposure is not known, I believe.
The biggest historical debate was over the court marshal of its Captain
Charles Mc Vay who failed to zig-zag. I think the biggest problem was
in the failure of the naval command to recognize the ship missing,
which caused the survivors to spend a lot more time in the water than
necessary. Sharks are a secondary issue, of course.
Jun 24th 2005, 6:50 am
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Re: Paris, 33?C on Monday
On 24/06/05 3:56, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I read about it long ago. What part do you think I don't know?
The important part was not the sharks!
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I read about it long ago. What part do you think I don't know?
The important part was not the sharks!
Jun 24th 2005, 12:09 pm
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Re: Paris, 33°C on Monday
"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 04:03:43 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>Hatunen writes:
>>> Tell that to the survivors of the sinking of the USS Indianapolis.
>>No need. There are survivors, which proves the point.
> But they were witnessses to the shark feedings, the dead being
> unable to provide withness.
That's a gross insult to all Europeans who are dead.
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> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 04:03:43 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>Hatunen writes:
>>> Tell that to the survivors of the sinking of the USS Indianapolis.
>>No need. There are survivors, which proves the point.
> But they were witnessses to the shark feedings, the dead being
> unable to provide withness.
That's a gross insult to all Europeans who are dead.
> ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
> * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Jun 24th 2005, 6:44 pm
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Re: Paris, 33?C on Monday
In article <[email protected]>,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Earl Evleth writes:
>
> > Will be, the US is now.
>
> We all live on the same planet.
China is going coal in a big way for power generation. They have a lot
of it too.
Traces of mercury from Chinese plants have been found in New England
(not sure how they separate it from the mercury from American coal power
plants but somehow, they did).
The Chinese plant operators will pay the hundred thousand fines now and
then rather than outfit emission control equipment which would cost some
$15 million.
The Chinese regulators said whose fault is it that they are following
the economic development model of the West.
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Earl Evleth writes:
>
> > Will be, the US is now.
>
> We all live on the same planet.
China is going coal in a big way for power generation. They have a lot
of it too.
Traces of mercury from Chinese plants have been found in New England
(not sure how they separate it from the mercury from American coal power
plants but somehow, they did).
The Chinese plant operators will pay the hundred thousand fines now and
then rather than outfit emission control equipment which would cost some
$15 million.
The Chinese regulators said whose fault is it that they are following
the economic development model of the West.
Jun 24th 2005, 6:47 pm
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Re: Paris, 33?C on Monday
In article <BEDED143.6C79D%[email protected]>,
Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think the Bay area has the highest median home prices in the country,
> probably around $500,000 to $600,000, and higher in your area.
Actually, LA and even San Diego real estate as a total are worth more
than the Bay Area. We're at about 350 billion while LA is over a
trillion. San Diego is between 350 and 400 billion.
Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think the Bay area has the highest median home prices in the country,
> probably around $500,000 to $600,000, and higher in your area.
Actually, LA and even San Diego real estate as a total are worth more
than the Bay Area. We're at about 350 billion while LA is over a
trillion. San Diego is between 350 and 400 billion.
Jun 24th 2005, 9:10 pm
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Re: Paris, 33?C on Monday
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:47:01 -0700, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <BEDED143.6C79D%[email protected]>,
> Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I think the Bay area has the highest median home prices in the country,
>> probably around $500,000 to $600,000, and higher in your area.
>Actually, LA and even San Diego real estate as a total are worth more
>than the Bay Area. We're at about 350 billion while LA is over a
>trillion. San Diego is between 350 and 400 billion.
And that has what to do with median home prices?
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
>In article <BEDED143.6C79D%[email protected]>,
> Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I think the Bay area has the highest median home prices in the country,
>> probably around $500,000 to $600,000, and higher in your area.
>Actually, LA and even San Diego real estate as a total are worth more
>than the Bay Area. We're at about 350 billion while LA is over a
>trillion. San Diego is between 350 and 400 billion.
And that has what to do with median home prices?
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Jun 25th 2005, 1:44 am
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Re: Paris, 33?C on Monday
In article <[email protected]>,
Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:47:01 -0700, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <BEDED143.6C79D%[email protected]>,
> > Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I think the Bay area has the highest median home prices in the country,
> >> probably around $500,000 to $600,000, and higher in your area.
> >
> >Actually, LA and even San Diego real estate as a total are worth more
> >than the Bay Area. We're at about 350 billion while LA is over a
> >trillion. San Diego is between 350 and 400 billion.
>
> And that has what to do with median home prices?
Median is one measure of real estate value.
Total real estate value is another.
Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:47:01 -0700, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <BEDED143.6C79D%[email protected]>,
> > Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I think the Bay area has the highest median home prices in the country,
> >> probably around $500,000 to $600,000, and higher in your area.
> >
> >Actually, LA and even San Diego real estate as a total are worth more
> >than the Bay Area. We're at about 350 billion while LA is over a
> >trillion. San Diego is between 350 and 400 billion.
>
> And that has what to do with median home prices?
Median is one measure of real estate value.
Total real estate value is another.
Jun 25th 2005, 4:05 am
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Re: Paris, 33?C on Monday
poldy writes:
> Traces of mercury from Chinese plants have been found in New England
> (not sure how they separate it from the mercury from American coal power
> plants but somehow, they did).
It's red mercury, of course.
> The Chinese regulators said whose fault is it that they are following
> the economic development model of the West.
Back when the West did that, it had far fewer people than China does.
If China had the population of Iceland, it wouldn't matter.
The real long-term problem of the planet is overpopulation. All other
problems can be traced to it.
--
Transpose gmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
> Traces of mercury from Chinese plants have been found in New England
> (not sure how they separate it from the mercury from American coal power
> plants but somehow, they did).
It's red mercury, of course.
> The Chinese regulators said whose fault is it that they are following
> the economic development model of the West.
Back when the West did that, it had far fewer people than China does.
If China had the population of Iceland, it wouldn't matter.
The real long-term problem of the planet is overpopulation. All other
problems can be traced to it.
--
Transpose gmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
Jun 25th 2005, 4:34 am
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Re: Paris, 33?C on Monday
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:44:54 -0700, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:47:01 -0700, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <BEDED143.6C79D%[email protected]>,
>> > Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think the Bay area has the highest median home prices in the country,
>> >> probably around $500,000 to $600,000, and higher in your area.
>> >
>> >Actually, LA and even San Diego real estate as a total are worth more
>> >than the Bay Area. We're at about 350 billion while LA is over a
>> >trillion. San Diego is between 350 and 400 billion.
>>
>> And that has what to do with median home prices?
>Median is one measure of real estate value.
>Total real estate value is another.
Well, yeah. And mean price would be another. But ...
They're really quite different things. An area could have a high
total value but have very low individual prices compared to
another area, simply by dint of being much larger. I would guess
the total value of all real estate in the Pittsburgh metro area
to be considerably higher than that of Atherton, California, but
Atherton probably has the highest median prices in the country.
Most of us only buy one house at a time, so the total value of
all real estate in area is of little use.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:47:01 -0700, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <BEDED143.6C79D%[email protected]>,
>> > Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think the Bay area has the highest median home prices in the country,
>> >> probably around $500,000 to $600,000, and higher in your area.
>> >
>> >Actually, LA and even San Diego real estate as a total are worth more
>> >than the Bay Area. We're at about 350 billion while LA is over a
>> >trillion. San Diego is between 350 and 400 billion.
>>
>> And that has what to do with median home prices?
>Median is one measure of real estate value.
>Total real estate value is another.
Well, yeah. And mean price would be another. But ...
They're really quite different things. An area could have a high
total value but have very low individual prices compared to
another area, simply by dint of being much larger. I would guess
the total value of all real estate in the Pittsburgh metro area
to be considerably higher than that of Atherton, California, but
Atherton probably has the highest median prices in the country.
Most of us only buy one house at a time, so the total value of
all real estate in area is of little use.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Jun 25th 2005, 6:07 am
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Re: Paris, 33?C on Monday
On 24/06/05 23:10, in article [email protected],
"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Actually, LA and even San Diego real estate as a total are worth more
>> than the Bay Area. We're at about 350 billion while LA is over a
>> trillion. San Diego is between 350 and 400 billion.
>
> And that has what to do with median home prices?
A legit question---
This months listing indicates that theclaim that San Diego is highest
is not supported. Marin county is still champion at $820,000
and Northern California highest.
ttp://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/16/state/n170935D00.DTL
The median price of homes and condos sold in May in selected California
counties:
Marin County: $820,000
San Francisco County: $765,000
San Mateo County: $726,000
Santa Clara County: $628,000
Orange County: $590,000
Alameda County: $573,000
Ventura County: $569,000
Napa County: $552,000
Contra Costa County: $539,000
Sonoma County: $533,000
San Diego County: $488,000
Los Angeles County: $459,000
Solano County $429,000
Riverside County: $381,000
San Bernardino County: $308,000
"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Actually, LA and even San Diego real estate as a total are worth more
>> than the Bay Area. We're at about 350 billion while LA is over a
>> trillion. San Diego is between 350 and 400 billion.
>
> And that has what to do with median home prices?
A legit question---
This months listing indicates that theclaim that San Diego is highest
is not supported. Marin county is still champion at $820,000
and Northern California highest.
ttp://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/16/state/n170935D00.DTL
The median price of homes and condos sold in May in selected California
counties:
Marin County: $820,000
San Francisco County: $765,000
San Mateo County: $726,000
Santa Clara County: $628,000
Orange County: $590,000
Alameda County: $573,000
Ventura County: $569,000
Napa County: $552,000
Contra Costa County: $539,000
Sonoma County: $533,000
San Diego County: $488,000
Los Angeles County: $459,000
Solano County $429,000
Riverside County: $381,000
San Bernardino County: $308,000
