Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???
Nov 4th 2004, 2:40 pm
#931
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Re: Passport Needed???
>As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
>Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
>Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
I've been hassled when flying between the US and Canada
without a passport even with "suitable ID," I wouldn't
advise it.
>Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
>Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
I've been hassled when flying between the US and Canada
without a passport even with "suitable ID," I wouldn't
advise it.
Nov 4th 2004, 3:08 pm
#932
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Re: Passport Needed???
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:40:33 -0600, Hank Mishkoff <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
>>Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
>>Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
>I've been hassled when flying between the US and Canada
>without a passport even with "suitable ID," I wouldn't
>advise it.
I had been puzzled why anyone would want to travel to other countries
without a passport. While there may be some odd countries who may not
require one why risk the immigration hassles and ruin your whole trip.
Don't forget your travel arrangements are inflexible and any changes
will cost you a lot more than carrying that little booklet called a
passport.
The reason I think the OP asked the original question is that in this
time and day to carry a US passport can be a liabilty. To carry one
and be captured by a terrorist can be fatal, or at least be subject to
torture. It has come to that sorry state of affairs where Americans
who travel abroad have learned to keep a low profile and try to pass
themselves off as Canadians. Some even have Canadian lapel pins and
stickers on their luggage and clothing.
Have you come across the caricature of the loud mouthed loud clothed
American anymore? Those who seemed to think that by waving their US
passports they can get away with flouting local conventions in a thrid
world country? No. It is indeed a whole new world.
wrote:
>>As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
>>Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
>>Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
>I've been hassled when flying between the US and Canada
>without a passport even with "suitable ID," I wouldn't
>advise it.
I had been puzzled why anyone would want to travel to other countries
without a passport. While there may be some odd countries who may not
require one why risk the immigration hassles and ruin your whole trip.
Don't forget your travel arrangements are inflexible and any changes
will cost you a lot more than carrying that little booklet called a
passport.
The reason I think the OP asked the original question is that in this
time and day to carry a US passport can be a liabilty. To carry one
and be captured by a terrorist can be fatal, or at least be subject to
torture. It has come to that sorry state of affairs where Americans
who travel abroad have learned to keep a low profile and try to pass
themselves off as Canadians. Some even have Canadian lapel pins and
stickers on their luggage and clothing.
Have you come across the caricature of the loud mouthed loud clothed
American anymore? Those who seemed to think that by waving their US
passports they can get away with flouting local conventions in a thrid
world country? No. It is indeed a whole new world.
Nov 4th 2004, 3:14 pm
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Re: Passport Needed???
On 4/11/04 16:08, in article [email protected],
"PaPaPeng" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The reason I think the OP asked the original question is that in this
> time and day to carry a US passport can be a liabilty. To carry one
> and be captured by a terrorist can be fatal, or at least be subject to
> torture.
Irish (IRA) terrorists have never targeted US passport holders. (After all,
both the Catholics and the Protestants have counted on their US supporters.)
Here's the official info on travel within the Common Travel Area.
Rules
The Common Travel Area means that there are no passport controls in
operation for Irish and UK citizens travelling between the two countries.
Since 1997, some controls are in effect on arrivals in Ireland from the UK
but this does not mean that you are required to carry your Irish or UK
passport with you when you travel between the countries. You must, however,
carry an acceptable form of photo-identification, examples of which are:
* A valid passport
* A driver's licence with photo
* An international student card
* A national ID card
* A bus pass with photo
* A Garda ID with photo
* A work ID with photo
The Common Travel Area also involves some co-operation on matters relating
to immigration issues. An alien, for example, may be refused permission to
enter Ireland if it is his or her intention to travel onwards to the UK and
he or she would not qualify for admission to the UK under the (Aliens
Amendment) Order, 1975.
Irish Immigration Officers have the power to carry out checks on people
arriving in the State from the UK and to refuse them entry to the State on
the same grounds as apply to people arriving from outside the Common Travel
Area. These checks are carried out selectively.
People with UK visas or residence permits
If you are a citizen of a country whose nationals need a visa to enter the
State and you have a valid UK visa or residence permit, you are still
required to have a valid visa before you arrive in the State. Further
information about visa applications can be obtained from the Department of
Foreign Affairs or from Irish embassies and consulates abroad.
http://tinyurl.com/4c99o
"PaPaPeng" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The reason I think the OP asked the original question is that in this
> time and day to carry a US passport can be a liabilty. To carry one
> and be captured by a terrorist can be fatal, or at least be subject to
> torture.
Irish (IRA) terrorists have never targeted US passport holders. (After all,
both the Catholics and the Protestants have counted on their US supporters.)
Here's the official info on travel within the Common Travel Area.
Rules
The Common Travel Area means that there are no passport controls in
operation for Irish and UK citizens travelling between the two countries.
Since 1997, some controls are in effect on arrivals in Ireland from the UK
but this does not mean that you are required to carry your Irish or UK
passport with you when you travel between the countries. You must, however,
carry an acceptable form of photo-identification, examples of which are:
* A valid passport
* A driver's licence with photo
* An international student card
* A national ID card
* A bus pass with photo
* A Garda ID with photo
* A work ID with photo
The Common Travel Area also involves some co-operation on matters relating
to immigration issues. An alien, for example, may be refused permission to
enter Ireland if it is his or her intention to travel onwards to the UK and
he or she would not qualify for admission to the UK under the (Aliens
Amendment) Order, 1975.
Irish Immigration Officers have the power to carry out checks on people
arriving in the State from the UK and to refuse them entry to the State on
the same grounds as apply to people arriving from outside the Common Travel
Area. These checks are carried out selectively.
People with UK visas or residence permits
If you are a citizen of a country whose nationals need a visa to enter the
State and you have a valid UK visa or residence permit, you are still
required to have a valid visa before you arrive in the State. Further
information about visa applications can be obtained from the Department of
Foreign Affairs or from Irish embassies and consulates abroad.
http://tinyurl.com/4c99o
Nov 4th 2004, 3:50 pm
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Re: Passport Needed???
In article <[email protected]>,
Hank Mishkoff <[email protected]> wrote:
> >As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
> >Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
> >Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
>
> I've been hassled when flying between the US and Canada
> without a passport even with "suitable ID," I wouldn't
> advise it.
Justw ondering, what ID did you have and who were you hassled by?
Hank Mishkoff <[email protected]> wrote:
> >As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
> >Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
> >Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
>
> I've been hassled when flying between the US and Canada
> without a passport even with "suitable ID," I wouldn't
> advise it.
Justw ondering, what ID did you have and who were you hassled by?
Nov 4th 2004, 3:52 pm
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Re: Passport Needed???
PaPaPeng <[email protected]> wrote:
> The reason I think the OP asked the original question is that in this
> time and day to carry a US passport can be a liabilty. To carry one
> and be captured by a terrorist can be fatal, or at least be subject to
> torture.
In Europe??
> It has come to that sorry state of affairs where Americans who travel
> abroad have learned to keep a low profile and try to pass themselves off
> as Canadians. Some even have Canadian lapel pins and stickers on their
> luggage and clothing.
You're thinking of self-hating ninnies who are so cowed by their shame for
others' actions that they would try (in vain) to conceal their own identity
rather than stand up for what they believe in and announce "I am an American
but I am not what you dislike about America."
miguel
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> The reason I think the OP asked the original question is that in this
> time and day to carry a US passport can be a liabilty. To carry one
> and be captured by a terrorist can be fatal, or at least be subject to
> torture.
In Europe??
> It has come to that sorry state of affairs where Americans who travel
> abroad have learned to keep a low profile and try to pass themselves off
> as Canadians. Some even have Canadian lapel pins and stickers on their
> luggage and clothing.
You're thinking of self-hating ninnies who are so cowed by their shame for
others' actions that they would try (in vain) to conceal their own identity
rather than stand up for what they believe in and announce "I am an American
but I am not what you dislike about America."
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu
Nov 4th 2004, 4:20 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Following up to Karen in MN
> I was afraid eventually I
>was going to find myself going back to the office on Monday morning directly
>from baggage claim.
We have almost more leave than we can afford to use and we find
ourselves almost doing that! I think we have become obsessed with
using every day!
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> I was afraid eventually I
>was going to find myself going back to the office on Monday morning directly
>from baggage claim.
We have almost more leave than we can afford to use and we find
ourselves almost doing that! I think we have become obsessed with
using every day!
--
Mike Reid
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Nov 4th 2004, 4:20 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Following up to Barbara Bomberger
>>because I suspect she's going to spend all her money on
>>marginally useful possessions.
>Although I agree with you in general, trust me, a hot tub is not
>marginally useful....................especially when its in your back
>yard or house and you can be nude and see the stars at the same time.
you're getting me interested now!
OK, the travellers response is, no doubt predictably, that there
are lots of beaches where you can do that although the ones I go
to get less convenient at night!
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>>because I suspect she's going to spend all her money on
>>marginally useful possessions.
>Although I agree with you in general, trust me, a hot tub is not
>marginally useful....................especially when its in your back
>yard or house and you can be nude and see the stars at the same time.
you're getting me interested now!
OK, the travellers response is, no doubt predictably, that there
are lots of beaches where you can do that although the ones I go
to get less convenient at night!
--
Mike Reid
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Nov 4th 2004, 4:31 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:20:35 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Karen in MN
Following up is ok.
Stalking ... nope!
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Karen in MN
Following up is ok.
Stalking ... nope!
Nov 4th 2004, 4:32 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:20:36 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Barbara Bomberger
Same but the others will get jealous.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Barbara Bomberger
Same but the others will get jealous.
Nov 4th 2004, 6:14 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Doug McDonald <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>
>
> >>IIRC you have to sign up with a specialist company to take you
> >>there at the appropriate time, I suspect it wont be a
> >>particularly cheap trip and I cant see someone with a stay home
> >>mentality suddenly doing that, can you?
> >>Of course if dormant will do, with just a bit of steam and a
> >>smell of sulphur,, there is one on Tenerife, near Napoli or IIRC
> >>in Alaska somewhere?
There's got to be lava. I've been to Yellowstone, and it was wonderful.
But it wasn't a volcano.
> > Theres a really neat active one in hawaii that simply requires a
> > helicopter ride.
That's what I have in mind.
>
> Most of the time these days you can just drive up to
> an active part of it, once on Hawaii. You just have to
> get there.
That sounds good, too.
I don't acquire a lot of possessions, marginally useful or otherwise.
But I suppose that's relative. I probably have more stuff than
some people, less than others.
I could certainly afford to travel, but it just doesn't interest
me that much.
And, yes, I'm reading this in misc.consumers.frugal-living, although
I'm not particularly frugal, either.
Cindy Hamilton
> Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>
>
> >>IIRC you have to sign up with a specialist company to take you
> >>there at the appropriate time, I suspect it wont be a
> >>particularly cheap trip and I cant see someone with a stay home
> >>mentality suddenly doing that, can you?
> >>Of course if dormant will do, with just a bit of steam and a
> >>smell of sulphur,, there is one on Tenerife, near Napoli or IIRC
> >>in Alaska somewhere?
There's got to be lava. I've been to Yellowstone, and it was wonderful.
But it wasn't a volcano.
> > Theres a really neat active one in hawaii that simply requires a
> > helicopter ride.
That's what I have in mind.
>
> Most of the time these days you can just drive up to
> an active part of it, once on Hawaii. You just have to
> get there.
That sounds good, too.
I don't acquire a lot of possessions, marginally useful or otherwise.
But I suppose that's relative. I probably have more stuff than
some people, less than others.
I could certainly afford to travel, but it just doesn't interest
me that much.
And, yes, I'm reading this in misc.consumers.frugal-living, although
I'm not particularly frugal, either.
Cindy Hamilton
Nov 4th 2004, 8:12 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On 4 Nov 2004 11:14:43 -0800, [email protected] (Cindy
hamilton) wrote:
>Doug McDonald <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>IIRC you have to sign up with a specialist company to take you
>> >>there at the appropriate time, I suspect it wont be a
>> >>particularly cheap trip and I cant see someone with a stay home
>> >>mentality suddenly doing that, can you?
>> >>Of course if dormant will do, with just a bit of steam and a
>> >>smell of sulphur,, there is one on Tenerife, near Napoli or IIRC
>> >>in Alaska somewhere?
>There's got to be lava. I've been to Yellowstone, and it was wonderful.
>But it wasn't a volcano.
There's a volcano erupting in Iceland at the moment.
--
Martin
hamilton) wrote:
>Doug McDonald <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>IIRC you have to sign up with a specialist company to take you
>> >>there at the appropriate time, I suspect it wont be a
>> >>particularly cheap trip and I cant see someone with a stay home
>> >>mentality suddenly doing that, can you?
>> >>Of course if dormant will do, with just a bit of steam and a
>> >>smell of sulphur,, there is one on Tenerife, near Napoli or IIRC
>> >>in Alaska somewhere?
>There's got to be lava. I've been to Yellowstone, and it was wonderful.
>But it wasn't a volcano.
There's a volcano erupting in Iceland at the moment.
--
Martin
Nov 4th 2004, 8:47 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:28:13 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to john
>> You see, what matters is the creation of goods
>>>and services, not the method of funding.
>>So you don't see the value of you and your neighbor in paying a lad to
>>wash your cars.
>didn't say that.
>>How shortsighted.
>You failed to answer the question.
>>Don't you think the lad will put his money right back into the
>>economy?
>don't you think the public employee puts the money back into the
>economy?
>>Oh, you wouldn't like that.
>nothing against the lad with the bucket.
>>You want more "public services".
>yes.
>>Be sure to get in touch with your local politician and tell him:
>I do when appropriate.
>>- You want to pay more in taxes
>correct.
>>(which I doubt that you pay much in
>>taxes now)
>wrong.
>>- You want more "public services".
>Right for once.
>>From the attitude that you have expressed I strongly suspect that you
>>are on the dole and loving every minute of it.
>wrong again.
>>Your request for more "public services" will probably mean many more
>>bureaucrats and five new levels of management.
>wrong yet again, you have a highly prejudiced view of the public
>sector.
How can you say wrong again? How do you know? Once you pay your
taxes you don't know how many bureaucrats or additional levels of
management are hired by the government.
Except for vital public services, I believe that government employment
should be kept to a minimum. Government employees are a drain on the
economy.
I still believe that you are on the dole and loving every minute of
it.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to john
>> You see, what matters is the creation of goods
>>>and services, not the method of funding.
>>So you don't see the value of you and your neighbor in paying a lad to
>>wash your cars.
>didn't say that.
>>How shortsighted.
>You failed to answer the question.
>>Don't you think the lad will put his money right back into the
>>economy?
>don't you think the public employee puts the money back into the
>economy?
>>Oh, you wouldn't like that.
>nothing against the lad with the bucket.
>>You want more "public services".
>yes.
>>Be sure to get in touch with your local politician and tell him:
>I do when appropriate.
>>- You want to pay more in taxes
>correct.
>>(which I doubt that you pay much in
>>taxes now)
>wrong.
>>- You want more "public services".
>Right for once.
>>From the attitude that you have expressed I strongly suspect that you
>>are on the dole and loving every minute of it.
>wrong again.
>>Your request for more "public services" will probably mean many more
>>bureaucrats and five new levels of management.
>wrong yet again, you have a highly prejudiced view of the public
>sector.
How can you say wrong again? How do you know? Once you pay your
taxes you don't know how many bureaucrats or additional levels of
management are hired by the government.
Except for vital public services, I believe that government employment
should be kept to a minimum. Government employees are a drain on the
economy.
I still believe that you are on the dole and loving every minute of
it.
Nov 4th 2004, 9:24 pm
#943
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Following up to [email protected]
>>There's got to be lava. I've been to Yellowstone, and it was wonderful.
>>But it wasn't a volcano.
>There's a volcano erupting in Iceland at the moment.
there usually is!
--
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>>There's got to be lava. I've been to Yellowstone, and it was wonderful.
>>But it wasn't a volcano.
>There's a volcano erupting in Iceland at the moment.
there usually is!
--
Mike Reid
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Nov 4th 2004, 9:24 pm
#944
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Following up to john
>>wrong yet again, you have a highly prejudiced view of the public
>>sector.
>How can you say wrong again? How do you know? Once you pay your
>taxes you don't know how many bureaucrats or additional levels of
>management are hired by the government.
The same way you claim to know they do? Bureaucrat is just a
pejorative alternative to management for those who don't want to
pay their taxes. Here, at least we have had so many cutbacks in
public spending in recent years there is no "fat" left in the
slightest.
>Except for vital public services, I believe that government employment
>should be kept to a minimum. Government employees are a drain on the
>economy.
>I still believe that you are on the dole and loving every minute of
>it.
you have made both these statements before, and you are still
just as wrong and still didn't answer my question.
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>>wrong yet again, you have a highly prejudiced view of the public
>>sector.
>How can you say wrong again? How do you know? Once you pay your
>taxes you don't know how many bureaucrats or additional levels of
>management are hired by the government.
The same way you claim to know they do? Bureaucrat is just a
pejorative alternative to management for those who don't want to
pay their taxes. Here, at least we have had so many cutbacks in
public spending in recent years there is no "fat" left in the
slightest.
>Except for vital public services, I believe that government employment
>should be kept to a minimum. Government employees are a drain on the
>economy.
>I still believe that you are on the dole and loving every minute of
>it.
you have made both these statements before, and you are still
just as wrong and still didn't answer my question.
--
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Nov 4th 2004, 9:26 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:24:11 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to [email protected]
>>>There's got to be lava. I've been to Yellowstone, and it was wonderful.
>>>But it wasn't a volcano.
>>There's a volcano erupting in Iceland at the moment.
>there usually is!
Not as spectacularly as the current eruption.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to [email protected]
>>>There's got to be lava. I've been to Yellowstone, and it was wonderful.
>>>But it wasn't a volcano.
>>There's a volcano erupting in Iceland at the moment.
>there usually is!
Not as spectacularly as the current eruption.
--
Martin