Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???
Oct 28th 2004, 5:51 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Torgari <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Ted Ng wrote......
>>> AJC <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Don't worry, most Europeans are well aware of what life in the US is
>>>> really like.
>>> Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here. 255,976 *legal*
>>> immigrants from Europe alone in 2002. In just 4 years, over a million
>>> Europeans moved to the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
>>>http://www.migrationinformation.org
>> From Eastern Europe. The USA only attracts
>> immigrants from 2nd and 3rd world shit holes.
> Lie. That site has a breakdown by country and you're lying.
I took a look at the site.
No mention of 255,976.
No mention of "over a million".
Majority of migrants from Eastern Europe.
You can fool some of the people some of the time by giving a link,
but not all of the people all of the time.
abacus.
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> Torgari <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] t...
>> Ted Ng wrote......
>>> AJC <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Don't worry, most Europeans are well aware of what life in the US is
>>>> really like.
>>> Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here. 255,976 *legal*
>>> immigrants from Europe alone in 2002. In just 4 years, over a million
>>> Europeans moved to the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
>>>http://www.migrationinformation.org
>> From Eastern Europe. The USA only attracts
>> immigrants from 2nd and 3rd world shit holes.
> Lie. That site has a breakdown by country and you're lying.
I took a look at the site.
No mention of 255,976.
No mention of "over a million".
Majority of migrants from Eastern Europe.
You can fool some of the people some of the time by giving a link,
but not all of the people all of the time.
abacus.
Oct 28th 2004, 6:06 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:47:23 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, Auntie Em <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Automobile manufacturerers. Many, many, many of the workers were
... replaced by automated machinery causing economic collapse in the area
... - rampant unemployment, foreclosures of homes, etc. This occurred
... many years ago and the area still has not recovered.
Good recipe for a desert... :-((
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Automobile manufacturerers. Many, many, many of the workers were
... replaced by automated machinery causing economic collapse in the area
... - rampant unemployment, foreclosures of homes, etc. This occurred
... many years ago and the area still has not recovered.
Good recipe for a desert... :-((
Oct 28th 2004, 6:14 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:11:27 -0600, in rec.travel.europe, Arri London <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
...
... Magda wrote:
... >
... > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:32:09 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... > ... Lucky in some ways, unlucky in others. Europeans still think they've
... > ... accomplished great things if they can buy a color TV after saving up for
... > ... ten years.
... >
... > You are beating your own records here, Mixi. NO congratulations.
...
... LOL hey those wall-sized plasma TVs are expensive. AFter buying the
... house, the vacation house, the BMW/Rover/MB and paying for the latest
... cruise etc, there isn't a lot of money left for colour TV.
I'd love to have this kind of "problem"... ;-))
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
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...
... Magda wrote:
... >
... > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:32:09 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... > ... Lucky in some ways, unlucky in others. Europeans still think they've
... > ... accomplished great things if they can buy a color TV after saving up for
... > ... ten years.
... >
... > You are beating your own records here, Mixi. NO congratulations.
...
... LOL hey those wall-sized plasma TVs are expensive. AFter buying the
... house, the vacation house, the BMW/Rover/MB and paying for the latest
... cruise etc, there isn't a lot of money left for colour TV.
I'd love to have this kind of "problem"... ;-))
Oct 28th 2004, 6:18 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On 27 Oct 2004 15:38:25 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (zach)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... "Informer" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
... > "Jane Sitton" <[email protected]> wrote
... >
... >
... > > There are no set laws that I know of regarding how much vacation a
... > > company offers. Nowadays, many companies get around offering vacation
... > > altogether by hiring only part-time employees.
... > >
... > > --Jane
... >
... > In the UK the absolote minimum the law allows is 4 weeks plus public
... > holidays. I would not work for a company that offered less than 5 weeks.
...
... So are you proud to admit to being lazy in front of thousands of
... people? Interesting...
Life is too short to work so much. You have to enjoy it once in a while.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... "Informer" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
... > "Jane Sitton" <[email protected]> wrote
... >
... >
... > > There are no set laws that I know of regarding how much vacation a
... > > company offers. Nowadays, many companies get around offering vacation
... > > altogether by hiring only part-time employees.
... > >
... > > --Jane
... >
... > In the UK the absolote minimum the law allows is 4 weeks plus public
... > holidays. I would not work for a company that offered less than 5 weeks.
...
... So are you proud to admit to being lazy in front of thousands of
... people? Interesting...
Life is too short to work so much. You have to enjoy it once in a while.
Oct 28th 2004, 6:45 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
abacus <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> Torgari <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Ted Ng wrote......
>>>> AJC <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>> Don't worry, most Europeans are well aware of what life in the US is
>>>>> really like.
>>>> Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here. 255,976 *legal*
>>>> immigrants from Europe alone in 2002. In just 4 years, over a million
>>>> Europeans moved to the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
>>>> http://www.migrationinformation.org
>>> From Eastern Europe. The USA only attracts
>>> immigrants from 2nd and 3rd world shit holes.
>> Lie. That site has a breakdown by country and you're lying.
> I took a look at the site.
> No mention of 255,976.
> No mention of "over a million".
Irrelevant to that lie about Eastern Europe.
> Majority of migrants from Eastern Europe.
Lie.
> You can fool some of the people some of the time by giving a link, but not all
> of the people all of the time.
The numbers there still show that he lied.
news:%N%[email protected]...
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> Torgari <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Ted Ng wrote......
>>>> AJC <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>> Don't worry, most Europeans are well aware of what life in the US is
>>>>> really like.
>>>> Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here. 255,976 *legal*
>>>> immigrants from Europe alone in 2002. In just 4 years, over a million
>>>> Europeans moved to the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
>>>> http://www.migrationinformation.org
>>> From Eastern Europe. The USA only attracts
>>> immigrants from 2nd and 3rd world shit holes.
>> Lie. That site has a breakdown by country and you're lying.
> I took a look at the site.
> No mention of 255,976.
> No mention of "over a million".
Irrelevant to that lie about Eastern Europe.
> Majority of migrants from Eastern Europe.
Lie.
> You can fool some of the people some of the time by giving a link, but not all
> of the people all of the time.
The numbers there still show that he lied.
Oct 28th 2004, 8:36 am
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:44:51 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>sweetchild writes:
>> Isn't McDungs's buying most if not all of their meat for hamburgers from the
>> Aussies??
>McDonald's purchases meet locally for most of its markets.
Meet in McD's? :-)
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wrote:
>sweetchild writes:
>> Isn't McDungs's buying most if not all of their meat for hamburgers from the
>> Aussies??
>McDonald's purchases meet locally for most of its markets.
Meet in McD's? :-)
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Oct 28th 2004, 8:37 am
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On 27 Oct 2004 18:11:24 -0700, [email protected] (Richard
Hutnik) wrote:
>Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<483un0lc2o3rmp3kju8enknp9h845l1v50@news>...
>> When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
>> of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
>> we get paid public holidays.
>>
>> In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
>> countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
>> they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
>> productive countries in the world.
>>
>> If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
>> such a system and not lose their mind???
>>
>> Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
>> highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
>> that no matter how much they paid me.
>There is a bunch of reasons here:
>1. People need to keep up with the Joneses here. People value money
>more than other things here.
>2. Unionization is at an all-time low. Businesses can make whatever
>demands they like, and people have to accept it. The market dictates
>a lot here. And with job growth being what it is, people have to put
>up with whatever they have to, in order to keep their jobs.
>Businesses are constantly letting people go to remind them of this
>fact.
>3. People are falling further and further behind economically here.
>More and more people will have to get second and third jobs in fact.
>4. New changes in labor laws coming. More and more people will be
>salaried. They will be demanded to work overtime, and not get paid
>for it.
>5. Advent of technology. Now work follows them home, on vacation,
>etc...
Where's here? It could be almost anywhere.
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Hutnik) wrote:
>Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<483un0lc2o3rmp3kju8enknp9h845l1v50@news>...
>> When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
>> of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
>> we get paid public holidays.
>>
>> In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
>> countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
>> they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
>> productive countries in the world.
>>
>> If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
>> such a system and not lose their mind???
>>
>> Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
>> highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
>> that no matter how much they paid me.
>There is a bunch of reasons here:
>1. People need to keep up with the Joneses here. People value money
>more than other things here.
>2. Unionization is at an all-time low. Businesses can make whatever
>demands they like, and people have to accept it. The market dictates
>a lot here. And with job growth being what it is, people have to put
>up with whatever they have to, in order to keep their jobs.
>Businesses are constantly letting people go to remind them of this
>fact.
>3. People are falling further and further behind economically here.
>More and more people will have to get second and third jobs in fact.
>4. New changes in labor laws coming. More and more people will be
>salaried. They will be demanded to work overtime, and not get paid
>for it.
>5. Advent of technology. Now work follows them home, on vacation,
>etc...
Where's here? It could be almost anywhere.
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Martin
Oct 28th 2004, 8:40 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:34:43 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Torgari wrote:
>> Ted Ng wrote......
>>>"AJC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>>Don't worry, most Europeans are well aware of what life in the US is
>>>>really like.
>>>Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here. 255,976 *legal* immigrants
>>
>>>from Europe alone in 2002. In just 4 years, over a million Europeans moved
>>>to the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
>>>http://www.migrationinformation.org
>> From Eastern Europe. The USA only attracts immigrants from 2nd and 3rd world shit holes.
>Not really. The most recent european immigrant who I know came from the
>UK. Oops perhaps you mean that the UK is 2nd world.
What about the other 3,999,999 do you know them too? I don't know
anybody, who moved to the USA in the last 20 years, other than to
retire.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Torgari wrote:
>> Ted Ng wrote......
>>>"AJC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>>Don't worry, most Europeans are well aware of what life in the US is
>>>>really like.
>>>Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here. 255,976 *legal* immigrants
>>
>>>from Europe alone in 2002. In just 4 years, over a million Europeans moved
>>>to the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
>>>http://www.migrationinformation.org
>> From Eastern Europe. The USA only attracts immigrants from 2nd and 3rd world shit holes.
>Not really. The most recent european immigrant who I know came from the
>UK. Oops perhaps you mean that the UK is 2nd world.
What about the other 3,999,999 do you know them too? I don't know
anybody, who moved to the USA in the last 20 years, other than to
retire.
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Martin
Oct 28th 2004, 8:43 am
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Following up to Frank F. Matthews
>A fair description would be that most workers in the US get 2 weeks
>vacation per year starting at about 6 months with an employer until
>something like 5-10 years. It will then go up to 3 weeks until about 15
>years employment. After which it will top out at about 4 weeks per year
>of vacation. The number of paid holidays will run from 8 or 10 possibly
>up to 15 per year. Usually any unused vacation time will accrue up to
>2-3 times annual at which time any additional is lost. There are more
>stringent arrangements and more liberal ones but I think this is a fair
>average.
I assume that people change jobs a few times, so spend most of
their working life near the minimum?
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>A fair description would be that most workers in the US get 2 weeks
>vacation per year starting at about 6 months with an employer until
>something like 5-10 years. It will then go up to 3 weeks until about 15
>years employment. After which it will top out at about 4 weeks per year
>of vacation. The number of paid holidays will run from 8 or 10 possibly
>up to 15 per year. Usually any unused vacation time will accrue up to
>2-3 times annual at which time any additional is lost. There are more
>stringent arrangements and more liberal ones but I think this is a fair
>average.
I assume that people change jobs a few times, so spend most of
their working life near the minimum?
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Oct 28th 2004, 8:43 am
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Following up to Rod Speed
>> it's actually very common for people with less than 2-5 years at a company to
>> only get 1 week's vacation, and that isn't necessarily paid vacation.
>Small subset of 'people in the US'
Is it a small subset? Ive been given the impression US workforce
is very mobile and change jobs and location much more than
Europeans?
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>> it's actually very common for people with less than 2-5 years at a company to
>> only get 1 week's vacation, and that isn't necessarily paid vacation.
>Small subset of 'people in the US'
Is it a small subset? Ive been given the impression US workforce
is very mobile and change jobs and location much more than
Europeans?
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Oct 28th 2004, 8:45 am
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:13:38 +1000, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Torgari <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] et...
>> Ted Ng wrote......
>>> AJC <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Don't worry, most Europeans are well aware of what life in the US is really
>>>> like.
>>> Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here. 255,976 *legal*
>>> immigrants from Europe alone in 2002. In just 4 years, over a million
>>> Europeans moved to the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
>>>http://www.migrationinformation.org
>> From Eastern Europe. The USA only attracts
>> immigrants from 2nd and 3rd world shit holes.
>Lie. That site has a breakdown by country and you're lying.
less than 4% from EU Europe.
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wrote:
>Torgari <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] et...
>> Ted Ng wrote......
>>> AJC <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Don't worry, most Europeans are well aware of what life in the US is really
>>>> like.
>>> Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here. 255,976 *legal*
>>> immigrants from Europe alone in 2002. In just 4 years, over a million
>>> Europeans moved to the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
>>>http://www.migrationinformation.org
>> From Eastern Europe. The USA only attracts
>> immigrants from 2nd and 3rd world shit holes.
>Lie. That site has a breakdown by country and you're lying.
less than 4% from EU Europe.
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Martin
Oct 28th 2004, 8:46 am
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:45:48 +1000, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>abacus <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:%N%[email protected]...
>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Torgari <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Ted Ng wrote......
>>>>> AJC <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>> Don't worry, most Europeans are well aware of what life in the US is
>>>>>> really like.
>>>>> Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here. 255,976 *legal*
>>>>> immigrants from Europe alone in 2002. In just 4 years, over a million
>>>>> Europeans moved to the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
>>>>> http://www.migrationinformation.org
>>>> From Eastern Europe. The USA only attracts
>>>> immigrants from 2nd and 3rd world shit holes.
>>> Lie. That site has a breakdown by country and you're lying.
>> I took a look at the site.
>> No mention of 255,976.
>> No mention of "over a million".
>Irrelevant to that lie about Eastern Europe.
>> Majority of migrants from Eastern Europe.
>Lie.
>> You can fool some of the people some of the time by giving a link, but not all
>> of the people all of the time.
>The numbers there still show that he lied.
They show the opposite.
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Martin
wrote:
>abacus <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:%N%[email protected]...
>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Torgari <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Ted Ng wrote......
>>>>> AJC <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>> Don't worry, most Europeans are well aware of what life in the US is
>>>>>> really like.
>>>>> Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here. 255,976 *legal*
>>>>> immigrants from Europe alone in 2002. In just 4 years, over a million
>>>>> Europeans moved to the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
>>>>> http://www.migrationinformation.org
>>>> From Eastern Europe. The USA only attracts
>>>> immigrants from 2nd and 3rd world shit holes.
>>> Lie. That site has a breakdown by country and you're lying.
>> I took a look at the site.
>> No mention of 255,976.
>> No mention of "over a million".
>Irrelevant to that lie about Eastern Europe.
>> Majority of migrants from Eastern Europe.
>Lie.
>> You can fool some of the people some of the time by giving a link, but not all
>> of the people all of the time.
>The numbers there still show that he lied.
They show the opposite.
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Martin
Oct 28th 2004, 8:50 am
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:47:47 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> And the size of the house has increased
>> substantially too from say the 50s.
>So has the price ... much more than the size.
My impression is that new houses are smaller than old houses, and old
houses haven't changed size.
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wrote:
>> And the size of the house has increased
>> substantially too from say the 50s.
>So has the price ... much more than the size.
My impression is that new houses are smaller than old houses, and old
houses haven't changed size.
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Oct 28th 2004, 8:52 am
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<[email protected]> wrote:
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> And the size of the house has increased substantially too from say the
>>> 50s.
>> So has the price ... much more than the size.
> My impression is that new houses are smaller than old houses, and old
> houses haven't changed size.
In the USA? New houses have become gigantic, freakishly so. I think it's
because everyone is afraid to go outside anymore, so they need to enclose
enough space to live out their lives in. Ditto with the freaskishly large
vehicles.
miguel
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> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> And the size of the house has increased substantially too from say the
>>> 50s.
>> So has the price ... much more than the size.
> My impression is that new houses are smaller than old houses, and old
> houses haven't changed size.
In the USA? New houses have become gigantic, freakishly so. I think it's
because everyone is afraid to go outside anymore, so they need to enclose
enough space to live out their lives in. Ditto with the freaskishly large
vehicles.
miguel
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Oct 28th 2004, 8:53 am
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:49:24 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] writes:
>> I don't know where you got that idea from. In Western Europe you can
>> buy a colour TV with the income from a few days work.
>In France, it would take me almost a month's pay to buy a color TV, and
>that's only if I had nothing else to pay for.
That says more about your income than anything else. Are you saying
that your monthly income is less than Euro 200?
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wrote:
>[email protected] writes:
>> I don't know where you got that idea from. In Western Europe you can
>> buy a colour TV with the income from a few days work.
>In France, it would take me almost a month's pay to buy a color TV, and
>that's only if I had nothing else to pay for.
That says more about your income than anything else. Are you saying
that your monthly income is less than Euro 200?
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