On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:38:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:19:29 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> >It will also make eating in pubs less of a lottery. If you get a seat
>> >next to the pub 'chimney' your meal is going to be spoiled, smoker or
>> >not...
>>
>> but it looks like sitting outside a pub having a pint on sunny day will be not
>> so nice.
>
>Plenty of smokers outside already, especially at the moment given the
>run of great weather in London and other parts of the UK.

They will all be outside, when the no smoking law comes into effect.

Roll on a very cold winter.
--

Martin

Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
> The spineless German politicians are still squirming under the thumb of
> Europe's most powerful tobacco lobby. After spending years drafting a
> federal smoking ban law in restaurants, they suddenly discovered it was
> unconstitutional anyway, because only the individual federal states
> could pass such a law, making a farce of the entire effort. The current
> situation is that there is now an agreement to have a general smoking
> ban in restaurants, discotheques and public bars, except that each state
> can make its own exceptions, and sure enough, some of them are. In
> particular, any restaurant can have a closed-off smoking area marked on
> the door with an "R" (R=Rauchen=smoking) There is at least finally
> agreement on banning smoking in schools, kindergarten (Yes, really!!),
> public biuldings, theatres, and public transport.
>
> The German government has been notable for taking legal action AGAINST
> legislation banning cigarette advertising in the EU, notably in 2003 and
> 2004.
> Thankyou, BAT, Gallaher, Reynolds and the German government for your
> cooperation.

All interesting stuff. I noticed when I was at the Cologne Opera a few
weeks ago, there was no smoking in the building. Last time I was in
Germany at a concert (a few years before), I couldn't breathe during the
intermission!

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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:38:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:19:29 GMT, "William Black"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >[]
> >> >It will also make eating in pubs less of a lottery. If you get a seat
> >> >next to the pub 'chimney' your meal is going to be spoiled, smoker or
> >> >not...
> >>
> >> but it looks like sitting outside a pub having a pint on sunny day will
> >> be not so nice.
> >
> >Plenty of smokers outside already, especially at the moment given the
> >run of great weather in London and other parts of the UK.
>
> They will all be outside, when the no smoking law comes into effect.
>
> Roll on a very cold winter.

It starts in July, so that sounds about right!

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:02:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:38:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:19:29 GMT, "William Black"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >It will also make eating in pubs less of a lottery. If you get a seat
>> >> >next to the pub 'chimney' your meal is going to be spoiled, smoker or
>> >> >not...
>> >>
>> >> but it looks like sitting outside a pub having a pint on sunny day will
>> >> be not so nice.
>> >
>> >Plenty of smokers outside already, especially at the moment given the
>> >run of great weather in London and other parts of the UK.
>>
>> They will all be outside, when the no smoking law comes into effect.
>>
>> Roll on a very cold winter.
>
>It starts in July, so that sounds about right!

LOL we have been through the monsoon, a short tropical summer and spring in the
last eight weeks.
--

Martin

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:02:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:38:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:19:29 GMT, "William Black"
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >[]
> >> >> >It will also make eating in pubs less of a lottery. If you get a seat
> >> >> >next to the pub 'chimney' your meal is going to be spoiled, smoker or
> >> >> >not...
> >> >>
> >> >> but it looks like sitting outside a pub having a pint on sunny day will
> >> >> be not so nice.
> >> >
> >> >Plenty of smokers outside already, especially at the moment given the
> >> >run of great weather in London and other parts of the UK.
> >>
> >> They will all be outside, when the no smoking law comes into effect.
> >>
> >> Roll on a very cold winter.
> >
> >It starts in July, so that sounds about right!
>
> LOL we have been through the monsoon, a short tropical summer and spring
> in the last eight weeks.

Snow storms on the way maybe?

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:39:45 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:02:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:38:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:19:29 GMT, "William Black"
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >[]
>> >> >> >It will also make eating in pubs less of a lottery. If you get a seat
>> >> >> >next to the pub 'chimney' your meal is going to be spoiled, smoker or
>> >> >> >not...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> but it looks like sitting outside a pub having a pint on sunny day will
>> >> >> be not so nice.
>> >> >
>> >> >Plenty of smokers outside already, especially at the moment given the
>> >> >run of great weather in London and other parts of the UK.
>> >>
>> >> They will all be outside, when the no smoking law comes into effect.
>> >>
>> >> Roll on a very cold winter.
>> >
>> >It starts in July, so that sounds about right!
>>
>> LOL we have been through the monsoon, a short tropical summer and spring
>> in the last eight weeks.
>
>Snow storms on the way maybe?

Frost forecast for tonight :-)

There is a real lack of rain and the water arriving via the Rhine is low because
of lack of snow.
--

Martin

On 20 apr, 10:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:39:45 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>
>
>
>
>
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:02:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:38:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:19:29 GMT, "William Black"
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >[]
> >> >> >> >It will also make eating in pubs less of a lottery. If you get a seat
> >> >> >> >next to the pub 'chimney' your meal is going to be spoiled, smoker or
> >> >> >> >not...
>
> >> >> >> but it looks like sitting outside a pub having a pint on sunny day will
> >> >> >> be not so nice.
>
> >> >> >Plenty of smokers outside already, especially at the moment given the
> >> >> >run of great weather in London and other parts of the UK.
>
> >> >> They will all be outside, when the no smoking law comes into effect.
>
> >> >> Roll on a very cold winter.
>
> >> >It starts in July, so that sounds about right!
>
> >> LOL we have been through the monsoon, a short tropical summer and spring
> >> in the last eight weeks.
>
> >Snow storms on the way maybe?
>
> Frost forecast for tonight :-)
>
> There is a real lack of rain and the water arriving via the Rhine is low because
> of lack of snow.

There's been no lack of rain round here - in Germany, maybe, but not
in Soggy Bottoms.

B;

On 20 Apr 2007 01:30:18 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On 20 apr, 10:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:39:45 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:02:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:38:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:19:29 GMT, "William Black"
>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >[]
>> >> >> >> >It will also make eating in pubs less of a lottery. If you get a seat
>> >> >> >> >next to the pub 'chimney' your meal is going to be spoiled, smoker or
>> >> >> >> >not...
>>
>> >> >> >> but it looks like sitting outside a pub having a pint on sunny day will
>> >> >> >> be not so nice.
>>
>> >> >> >Plenty of smokers outside already, especially at the moment given the
>> >> >> >run of great weather in London and other parts of the UK.
>>
>> >> >> They will all be outside, when the no smoking law comes into effect.
>>
>> >> >> Roll on a very cold winter.
>>
>> >> >It starts in July, so that sounds about right!
>>
>> >> LOL we have been through the monsoon, a short tropical summer and spring
>> >> in the last eight weeks.
>>
>> >Snow storms on the way maybe?
>>
>> Frost forecast for tonight :-)
>>
>> There is a real lack of rain and the water arriving via the Rhine is low because
>> of lack of snow.
>
>There's been no lack of rain round here - in Germany, maybe, but not
>in Soggy Bottoms.

It hasn't rained for two weeks in ZH.
--

Martin

On 20 apr, 11:08, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 20 Apr 2007 01:30:18 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 20 apr, 10:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:39:45 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:02:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:38:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> >> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:19:29 GMT, "William Black"
> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >[]
> >> >> >> >> >It will also make eating in pubs less of a lottery. If you get a seat
> >> >> >> >> >next to the pub 'chimney' your meal is going to be spoiled, smoker or
> >> >> >> >> >not...
>
> >> >> >> >> but it looks like sitting outside a pub having a pint on sunny day will
> >> >> >> >> be not so nice.
>
> >> >> >> >Plenty of smokers outside already, especially at the moment given the
> >> >> >> >run of great weather in London and other parts of the UK.
>
> >> >> >> They will all be outside, when the no smoking law comes into effect.
>
> >> >> >> Roll on a very cold winter.
>
> >> >> >It starts in July, so that sounds about right!
>
> >> >> LOL we have been through the monsoon, a short tropical summer and spring
> >> >> in the last eight weeks.
>
> >> >Snow storms on the way maybe?
>
> >> Frost forecast for tonight :-)
>
> >> There is a real lack of rain and the water arriving via the Rhine is low because
> >> of lack of snow.
>
> >There's been no lack of rain round here - in Germany, maybe, but not
> >in Soggy Bottoms.
>
> It hasn't rained for two weeks in ZH.

But before that it rained solid for six months.

B;

On 20 Apr 2007 02:10:31 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On 20 apr, 11:08, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 20 Apr 2007 01:30:18 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 20 apr, 10:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:39:45 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>>
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:02:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:38:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> >> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:19:29 GMT, "William Black"
>> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >[]
>> >> >> >> >> >It will also make eating in pubs less of a lottery. If you get a seat
>> >> >> >> >> >next to the pub 'chimney' your meal is going to be spoiled, smoker or
>> >> >> >> >> >not...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> but it looks like sitting outside a pub having a pint on sunny day will
>> >> >> >> >> be not so nice.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Plenty of smokers outside already, especially at the moment given the
>> >> >> >> >run of great weather in London and other parts of the UK.
>>
>> >> >> >> They will all be outside, when the no smoking law comes into effect.
>>
>> >> >> >> Roll on a very cold winter.
>>
>> >> >> >It starts in July, so that sounds about right!
>>
>> >> >> LOL we have been through the monsoon, a short tropical summer and spring
>> >> >> in the last eight weeks.
>>
>> >> >Snow storms on the way maybe?
>>
>> >> Frost forecast for tonight :-)
>>
>> >> There is a real lack of rain and the water arriving via the Rhine is low because
>> >> of lack of snow.
>>
>> >There's been no lack of rain round here - in Germany, maybe, but not
>> >in Soggy Bottoms.
>>
>> It hasn't rained for two weeks in ZH.
>
>But before that it rained solid for six months.

but the foolish Dutch pumped it all into the North Sea instead of saving it for
a non rainy day.

Our garden has gone from being a swamp to bone dry in two weeks.
--

Martin

<[email protected]> wrote:

> On 20 apr, 11:08, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> > >There's been no lack of rain round here - in Germany, maybe, but not
> > >in Soggy Bottoms.
> >
> > It hasn't rained for two weeks in ZH.
>
> But before that it rained solid for six months.

It doesn't seem to have rained as much as I'd have expected here in the
last 6 months. I'm doing that by the highly scientific and reliable "how
often have I felt I've been caught out in the rain in the last 6 months"
test.

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On 20 apr, 14:43, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 20 apr, 11:08, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> []
> > > >There's been no lack of rain round here - in Germany, maybe, but not
> > > >in Soggy Bottoms.
>
> > > It hasn't rained for two weeks in ZH.
>
> > But before that it rained solid for six months.
>
> It doesn't seem to have rained as much as I'd have expected here in the
> last 6 months. I'm doing that by the highly scientific and reliable "how
> often have I felt I've been caught out in the rain in the last 6 months"
> test.

I was judging by the number of times I've had to wear full waterproof
outfit to cycle to work :-)

B;

<[email protected]> wrote:

> On 20 apr, 14:43, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 20 apr, 11:08, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > []
> > > > >There's been no lack of rain round here - in Germany, maybe, but not
> > > > >in Soggy Bottoms.
> >
> > > > It hasn't rained for two weeks in ZH.
> >
> > > But before that it rained solid for six months.
> >
> > It doesn't seem to have rained as much as I'd have expected here in the
> > last 6 months. I'm doing that by the highly scientific and reliable "how
> > often have I felt I've been caught out in the rain in the last 6 months"
> > test.
>
> I was judging by the number of times I've had to wear full waterproof
> outfit to cycle to work :-)

That's a good gauge of it! I took my umbrella to London with me for the
week, and didn't need it. My leather jacket has made me too warm in
Birmingham today. I've got a sinking feeling it will be cold and pissing
it down in Portugal the first week of May...

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:43:31 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 20 apr, 11:08, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> > >There's been no lack of rain round here - in Germany, maybe, but not
>> > >in Soggy Bottoms.
>> >
>> > It hasn't rained for two weeks in ZH.
>>
>> But before that it rained solid for six months.
>
>It doesn't seem to have rained as much as I'd have expected here in the
>last 6 months. I'm doing that by the highly scientific and reliable "how
>often have I felt I've been caught out in the rain in the last 6 months"
>test.

The amount of rain and lack of sunshine was noticeable during the last two weeks
of March, when we were in UK. As Jeremy says it rained solid for the previous 6
months. The whole of August last year was really monsoon weather in the
Netherlands.
--

Martin

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:43:31 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 20 apr, 11:08, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >[]
> >> > >There's been no lack of rain round here - in Germany, maybe, but not
> >> > >in Soggy Bottoms.
> >> >
> >> > It hasn't rained for two weeks in ZH.
> >>
> >> But before that it rained solid for six months.
> >
> >It doesn't seem to have rained as much as I'd have expected here in the
> >last 6 months. I'm doing that by the highly scientific and reliable "how
> >often have I felt I've been caught out in the rain in the last 6 months"
> >test.
>
> The amount of rain and lack of sunshine was noticeable during the last two
> weeks of March, when we were in UK.

Where you _were_ in the UK, which is what I thought when you posted as
much then. Not much rain in much of the west, and a lot of sunshine. I
don't have a photographic memory for sure (!), but a good memory of the
weather in particular places, and checking my diary for those two weeks
just then, it was mostly very fine weather wherever I was then, which
was almost exclusively on the west.

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