Naples ~~~~ Is it really that dangerous?
Jan 12th 2005 | 8:48 pm
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Following up to Alan Harrison
>Yeah, it looks that way. I'm not unduly bothered as long as these toerags
>stick to killing one another,
what does worry me is the vast amounts of money they are
amassing.
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>Yeah, it looks that way. I'm not unduly bothered as long as these toerags
>stick to killing one another,
what does worry me is the vast amounts of money they are
amassing.
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Jan 12th 2005 | 9:00 pm
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>> If you refuse to pay a genuine official and advise the only good
>> thing about Napoli is a museum?
>If you've been bothered by people, then the 'refusal' is understandable-
>it wasn't on purpose, and I presume the poster paid upon realising the
>situation. As to Naples (why are you calling it Napoli when typing in
>English?)
does it matter? Why have english versions when you don't need
them?
>and the attractions, or lack thereof, well, that's his
>opinion- and you're rebutting it. I just don't see anything about his
>post which suggests that he was "getting upset because they don't do
>things they way they do in the States." If that was the case, why did he
>enjoy Sicily?! :)
Maybe, perhaps I react badly to comments like:-
"But after two solid ****ing weeks of goddamn Italians trying to
hustle me"
If an american prefixed a nationality "goddam" they dont rate
highly with me.
>FWIW, a friend of mine, who loves Italy, describes Naples as its
>"armpit."
thats probably fair comment of appropriate suburbs. I dont love
Italy but enjoyed Napoli.
>He also claims that a museum there is divine, and the only
>reason for going there. Then again, he's a classicist
Maybe Naples isnt for people who talk of museums being devine and
go to Italy for art and architecture. I rarely bother with
museums, Pompeii is a must though. What fascinated me about
Naples is the frenzy everything is done in. Neopolitans seem to
always want to rush on to the next thing, they dont even seem to
take very long over meals, against the mediteranean stereotype.
--
Mike Reid
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>> If you refuse to pay a genuine official and advise the only good
>> thing about Napoli is a museum?
>If you've been bothered by people, then the 'refusal' is understandable-
>it wasn't on purpose, and I presume the poster paid upon realising the
>situation. As to Naples (why are you calling it Napoli when typing in
>English?)
does it matter? Why have english versions when you don't need
them?
>and the attractions, or lack thereof, well, that's his
>opinion- and you're rebutting it. I just don't see anything about his
>post which suggests that he was "getting upset because they don't do
>things they way they do in the States." If that was the case, why did he
>enjoy Sicily?! :)
Maybe, perhaps I react badly to comments like:-
"But after two solid ****ing weeks of goddamn Italians trying to
hustle me"
If an american prefixed a nationality "goddam" they dont rate
highly with me.
>FWIW, a friend of mine, who loves Italy, describes Naples as its
>"armpit."
thats probably fair comment of appropriate suburbs. I dont love
Italy but enjoyed Napoli.
>He also claims that a museum there is divine, and the only
>reason for going there. Then again, he's a classicist
Maybe Naples isnt for people who talk of museums being devine and
go to Italy for art and architecture. I rarely bother with
museums, Pompeii is a must though. What fascinated me about
Naples is the frenzy everything is done in. Neopolitans seem to
always want to rush on to the next thing, they dont even seem to
take very long over meals, against the mediteranean stereotype.
--
Mike Reid
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Jan 12th 2005 | 9:00 pm
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Following up to Phred Bear
>Naples is ahead of the game! Here is an article about the introduction of
>the "No Smoking" law in Italy. At 1 minute past midnight when the law became
>effective, some poor sucker in a bar in Naples became the first Italian to
>be fined 27 euro for smoking in a public place.
wonder if it will work as in Eire?
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>Naples is ahead of the game! Here is an article about the introduction of
>the "No Smoking" law in Italy. At 1 minute past midnight when the law became
>effective, some poor sucker in a bar in Naples became the first Italian to
>be fined 27 euro for smoking in a public place.
wonder if it will work as in Eire?
--
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Jan 12th 2005 | 9:44 pm
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The Reids wrote:
> I always wonder with these literal ideas of heaven what age you
> are when you take on the afterlife?
The Mormon concept is interesting as families are reünited regardless
of desire.
So if you die at 80, your mother at 60, and your father at 50 . . .
uh, what?
As I understand the answer to that question, each person sees others
as they were last seen in life. Sounds awfully confusing t'me.
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> I always wonder with these literal ideas of heaven what age you
> are when you take on the afterlife?
The Mormon concept is interesting as families are reünited regardless
of desire.
So if you die at 80, your mother at 60, and your father at 50 . . .
uh, what?
As I understand the answer to that question, each person sees others
as they were last seen in life. Sounds awfully confusing t'me.
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Jan 13th 2005 | 12:04 am
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:00:46 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Phred Bear
>>Naples is ahead of the game! Here is an article about the introduction of
>>the "No Smoking" law in Italy. At 1 minute past midnight when the law became
>>effective, some poor sucker in a bar in Naples became the first Italian to
>>be fined 27 euro for smoking in a public place.
>wonder if it will work as in Eire?
It's worked in other public places for a decade already.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Phred Bear
>>Naples is ahead of the game! Here is an article about the introduction of
>>the "No Smoking" law in Italy. At 1 minute past midnight when the law became
>>effective, some poor sucker in a bar in Naples became the first Italian to
>>be fined 27 euro for smoking in a public place.
>wonder if it will work as in Eire?
It's worked in other public places for a decade already.
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Martin
Jan 13th 2005 | 1:18 am
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<<FWIW, a friend of mine, who loves Italy, describes Naples as its
"armpit." >>
I have hear from a reliable source that many Italians, when waking up in the
morning, offer a heart felt prayer that they were not born as Neapolitans.
"armpit." >>
I have hear from a reliable source that many Italians, when waking up in the
morning, offer a heart felt prayer that they were not born as Neapolitans.
Jan 13th 2005 | 1:30 am
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<< wonder if it will work as in Eire?>>
Some hope!
When the seat belt law came out in Italy, a few years back, you could buy
T-Shirts in Naples which were white with a thick black diagonal stripe from
shoulder to waist which, at a cursory glance, looked as though you were
driving with your seat belt fastened. It apparantly fooled the Police for a
while until they got wise to it.
When some of the major cities introduced traffic reduction measures by
banning cars from entering the central areas with registration plates ending
in even numbers on even numbered dates and vice versa for odd numbered
dates, there was a spate of number plate thefts in Naples so that they could
swop plates on their cars each day acording to the date.
You have to give credit where credit is due, the Neapolitans are nothing if
not enterprising.
Some hope!
When the seat belt law came out in Italy, a few years back, you could buy
T-Shirts in Naples which were white with a thick black diagonal stripe from
shoulder to waist which, at a cursory glance, looked as though you were
driving with your seat belt fastened. It apparantly fooled the Police for a
while until they got wise to it.
When some of the major cities introduced traffic reduction measures by
banning cars from entering the central areas with registration plates ending
in even numbers on even numbered dates and vice versa for odd numbered
dates, there was a spate of number plate thefts in Naples so that they could
swop plates on their cars each day acording to the date.
You have to give credit where credit is due, the Neapolitans are nothing if
not enterprising.
Jan 13th 2005 | 1:45 am
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:30:50 -0000, "Phred Bear" <[email protected]>
wrote:
><< wonder if it will work as in Eire?>>
>Some hope!
>When the seat belt law came out in Italy, a few years back, you could buy
>T-Shirts in Naples which were white with a thick black diagonal stripe from
>shoulder to waist which, at a cursory glance, looked as though you were
>driving with your seat belt fastened. It apparantly fooled the Police for a
>while until they got wise to it.
LOL
I bet they were even more confused by skinny girls wearing T shirts
with Anne Nicole Smith's naked boobs on them :-)
>When some of the major cities introduced traffic reduction measures by
>banning cars from entering the central areas with registration plates ending
>in even numbers on even numbered dates and vice versa for odd numbered
>dates, there was a spate of number plate thefts in Naples so that they could
>swop plates on their cars each day acording to the date.
Not to mention stealing cars, so that they could swap cars according
to the date :-)
>You have to give credit where credit is due, the Neapolitans are nothing if
>not enterprising.
:-)
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wrote:
><< wonder if it will work as in Eire?>>
>Some hope!
>When the seat belt law came out in Italy, a few years back, you could buy
>T-Shirts in Naples which were white with a thick black diagonal stripe from
>shoulder to waist which, at a cursory glance, looked as though you were
>driving with your seat belt fastened. It apparantly fooled the Police for a
>while until they got wise to it.
LOL
I bet they were even more confused by skinny girls wearing T shirts
with Anne Nicole Smith's naked boobs on them :-)
>When some of the major cities introduced traffic reduction measures by
>banning cars from entering the central areas with registration plates ending
>in even numbers on even numbered dates and vice versa for odd numbered
>dates, there was a spate of number plate thefts in Naples so that they could
>swop plates on their cars each day acording to the date.
Not to mention stealing cars, so that they could swap cars according
to the date :-)
>You have to give credit where credit is due, the Neapolitans are nothing if
>not enterprising.
:-)
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Martin
Jan 13th 2005 | 1:13 pm
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> Maybe Naples isnt for people who talk of museums being devine and
> go to Italy for art and architecture.
Indeed, but I rather like people who visit a place for museums, art and
architecture!
> I rarely bother with
> museums, Pompeii is a must though. What fascinated me about
> Naples is the frenzy everything is done in. Neopolitans seem to
> always want to rush on to the next thing, they dont even seem to
> take very long over meals, against the mediteranean stereotype.
Well, fascinating certainly, but is it attractive?
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[]
> Maybe Naples isnt for people who talk of museums being devine and
> go to Italy for art and architecture.
Indeed, but I rather like people who visit a place for museums, art and
architecture!
> I rarely bother with
> museums, Pompeii is a must though. What fascinated me about
> Naples is the frenzy everything is done in. Neopolitans seem to
> always want to rush on to the next thing, they dont even seem to
> take very long over meals, against the mediteranean stereotype.
Well, fascinating certainly, but is it attractive?
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jan 13th 2005 | 3:00 pm
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Re: Naples ~~~~ Is it really that dangerous?
Originally Posted by Jim Seltzer
Is Naples really that bad? I am planning an 11 day trip to the Rome area and
was contemplating using a free 7 night stay at the Renaissance Hotel in
Napoli using Marriott rewards points.
From there I would radiate on different day trips before returning to Roma
for the last four days.
I started doing my homework this morning and all I read about Naples is
pickpockets, trash, drugs, mafia and murders. Many posts and web pages warn
not to wear any jewelry and to leave your valuable cameras at home and
beware of vespas zooping by?
I have been to Northern Italy a couple of times as well as several major
European cities and have heard the same warnings elsewhere, but not a as
many as NAples. What is the real scoop?
was contemplating using a free 7 night stay at the Renaissance Hotel in
Napoli using Marriott rewards points.
From there I would radiate on different day trips before returning to Roma
for the last four days.
I started doing my homework this morning and all I read about Naples is
pickpockets, trash, drugs, mafia and murders. Many posts and web pages warn
not to wear any jewelry and to leave your valuable cameras at home and
beware of vespas zooping by?
I have been to Northern Italy a couple of times as well as several major
European cities and have heard the same warnings elsewhere, but not a as
many as NAples. What is the real scoop?
Jan 13th 2005 | 7:36 pm
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Following up to Phred Bear
><<FWIW, a friend of mine, who loves Italy, describes Naples as its
>"armpit." >>
>I have hear from a reliable source that many Italians, when waking up in the
>morning, offer a heart felt prayer that they were not born as Neapolitans.
That's probably true and they are probably correct, visiting as a
tourist is another thing of course.
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><<FWIW, a friend of mine, who loves Italy, describes Naples as its
>"armpit." >>
>I have hear from a reliable source that many Italians, when waking up in the
>morning, offer a heart felt prayer that they were not born as Neapolitans.
That's probably true and they are probably correct, visiting as a
tourist is another thing of course.
--
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Jan 13th 2005 | 7:36 pm
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>> Maybe Naples isnt for people who talk of museums being devine and
>> go to Italy for art and architecture.
>Indeed, but I rather like people who visit a place for museums, art and
>architecture!
That's something I had never thought about! I suppose we tend to
like people with a pleasant personality, whatever that is, and
similar interests.
However, I quite like arguing, so an art lover willing to argue
about art, I would get on with.
(I hope the above hasnt shocked you)
>> I rarely bother with
>> museums, Pompeii is a must though. What fascinated me about
>> Naples is the frenzy everything is done in. Neopolitans seem to
>> always want to rush on to the next thing, they dont even seem to
>> take very long over meals, against the mediteranean stereotype.
>Well, fascinating certainly, but is it attractive?
My main interest in Italy is the food, so I was pizza watching
rather than building watching, but we stayed at the Excelsior,
which looks out over the sea to the castle. The buildings around
us were either attractive or neutral, "paseoing" on the seafront
on Sunday morning exposed us to large numbers of Italians, what
could be more attractive than an Italian in their finery? In the
evening we walked up through a square with imposing buildings and
through a shopping street, nothing special but OK and the area
round the castle is a marina with nice fish restaurants.
I had much the same reservations and enthusiasms there I have
about all of Italy that I have visited so far, but in spades.
Pluses
Italian food
Italian people
Italian style
Minuses
Traffic congestion on every road (aggressive driving I can live
with, even like)
Landscape (I don't go for what I assume many people find
attractive, countryside dotted with houses and farms. Little wild
space. (This is in comparison to Spain). Basically there are too
many Italians for the size of the country!
The sprawling suburbs of Napoli look like they are a dump, but
then many inner suburbs of major UK cities are no that much
better. Luckily we don't have the Comorra, but we do have thugish
teenagers on many street corners.
--
Mike Reid
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>> Maybe Naples isnt for people who talk of museums being devine and
>> go to Italy for art and architecture.
>Indeed, but I rather like people who visit a place for museums, art and
>architecture!
That's something I had never thought about! I suppose we tend to
like people with a pleasant personality, whatever that is, and
similar interests.
However, I quite like arguing, so an art lover willing to argue
about art, I would get on with.
(I hope the above hasnt shocked you)
>> I rarely bother with
>> museums, Pompeii is a must though. What fascinated me about
>> Naples is the frenzy everything is done in. Neopolitans seem to
>> always want to rush on to the next thing, they dont even seem to
>> take very long over meals, against the mediteranean stereotype.
>Well, fascinating certainly, but is it attractive?
My main interest in Italy is the food, so I was pizza watching
rather than building watching, but we stayed at the Excelsior,
which looks out over the sea to the castle. The buildings around
us were either attractive or neutral, "paseoing" on the seafront
on Sunday morning exposed us to large numbers of Italians, what
could be more attractive than an Italian in their finery? In the
evening we walked up through a square with imposing buildings and
through a shopping street, nothing special but OK and the area
round the castle is a marina with nice fish restaurants.
I had much the same reservations and enthusiasms there I have
about all of Italy that I have visited so far, but in spades.
Pluses
Italian food
Italian people
Italian style
Minuses
Traffic congestion on every road (aggressive driving I can live
with, even like)
Landscape (I don't go for what I assume many people find
attractive, countryside dotted with houses and farms. Little wild
space. (This is in comparison to Spain). Basically there are too
many Italians for the size of the country!
The sprawling suburbs of Napoli look like they are a dump, but
then many inner suburbs of major UK cities are no that much
better. Luckily we don't have the Comorra, but we do have thugish
teenagers on many street corners.
--
Mike Reid
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Jan 13th 2005 | 7:36 pm
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Following up to Icono Clast
>> I always wonder with these literal ideas of heaven what age you
>> are when you take on the afterlife?
>The Mormon concept is interesting as families are reünited regardless
>of desire.
That's as logical as anything else. It also explains to me why
they are so keen on family records. An eternity with my family
rather than my friends, hmmmm.
>So if you die at 80, your mother at 60, and your father at 50 . . .
>uh, what?
Interesting, isn't it. The fortunate would be those killed
suddenly while nubile, babies who died would be eternal babies?
Perhaps I'm taking it a little too literally!
>As I understand the answer to that question, each person sees others
>as they were last seen in life. Sounds awfully confusing t'me.
Its only really a workable idea as immortal souls floating in
hyperspace, the moslem virgins thing doesn't hold water, but then
who knows if its actually in the Koran?
--
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>> I always wonder with these literal ideas of heaven what age you
>> are when you take on the afterlife?
>The Mormon concept is interesting as families are reünited regardless
>of desire.
That's as logical as anything else. It also explains to me why
they are so keen on family records. An eternity with my family
rather than my friends, hmmmm.
>So if you die at 80, your mother at 60, and your father at 50 . . .
>uh, what?
Interesting, isn't it. The fortunate would be those killed
suddenly while nubile, babies who died would be eternal babies?
Perhaps I'm taking it a little too literally!
>As I understand the answer to that question, each person sees others
>as they were last seen in life. Sounds awfully confusing t'me.
Its only really a workable idea as immortal souls floating in
hyperspace, the moslem virgins thing doesn't hold water, but then
who knows if its actually in the Koran?
--
Mike Reid
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Jan 14th 2005 | 4:02 am
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:30:50 -0000, "Phred Bear" <[email protected]>
wrote:
><< wonder if it will work as in Eire?>>
>Some hope!
>When the seat belt law came out in Italy, a few years back, you could buy
>T-Shirts in Naples which were white with a thick black diagonal stripe from
>shoulder to waist which, at a cursory glance, looked as though you were
>driving with your seat belt fastened. It apparantly fooled the Police for a
>while until they got wise to it.
Do you really believe those t-shirts were sold for a serious purpose?
And that people wore such a tshirt every time they went out in the
car?
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
wrote:
><< wonder if it will work as in Eire?>>
>Some hope!
>When the seat belt law came out in Italy, a few years back, you could buy
>T-Shirts in Naples which were white with a thick black diagonal stripe from
>shoulder to waist which, at a cursory glance, looked as though you were
>driving with your seat belt fastened. It apparantly fooled the Police for a
>while until they got wise to it.
Do you really believe those t-shirts were sold for a serious purpose?
And that people wore such a tshirt every time they went out in the
car?
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
