Following up to nitram

    >>It turns out that the 72 virgin bit was a mistake in the translation from
    >>the original text or something. The real meaning is 72 raisins. There are
    >>going to be an awful lot of miffed martyrs milling about in the promissed
    >>land.
    >Is this virgin on the ridiculous?

I always wonder with these literal ideas of heaven what age you
are when you take on the afterlife? I imagine it being populated
by lots of people in last stage of terminal disease and car
bombers in several pieces struggling to service their supply of
virgins.
--
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Following up to nitram

    >Not even a muffin around the raisins or
    >>something ?
    ><looks up> Muffin? :-)

Tee Hee. Do mules go to heaven?
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:12:29 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, The Reids
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... Following up to Magda
...
... >72 raisins ? What sort of prize is that ? Not even a muffin around the raisins or
... >something ?
...
... that's rather overlooking the bigger issue of the existence of an
... afterlife! :-)

I know, but don't forget - they are Muslims...

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:12:28 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, The Reids
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... Following up to Magda
...
... > ... What about with unspoilt beautiful tribal virgins?
... >
... >72 of them are waiting for you to become a Muslim. LOL
...
... Which begs the questions, are female fanatical suicide bombers
... lesbians and how does this all square with the alleged Muslim
... protective attitude to women?

They probably think that females don't have a soul, you know. Which leads to the idea that
mating with soul-less creatures equals to mating with animals...

Or maybe each woman is greeted by 72 kitchens to clean, or 72 screaming babies.

... BTW I see Mare of Inner London, Livingstone (I know, I worked
... for him) has being honouring some fanatic who says tsunami was
... Allahs revenge on degenerate westerners, what a prat.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:31:27 -0000, "Phred Bare" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    ><< ... What about with unspoilt beautiful tribal virgins?
    > 72 of them are waiting for you to become a Muslim. LOL>>
    >It turns out that the 72 virgin bit was a mistake in the translation from
    >the original text or something. The real meaning is 72 raisins. There are
    >going to be an awful lot of miffed martyrs milling about in the promissed
    >land.

also in Arab virgins rhime with raisins?

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:13:44 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to B Vaughan
    >>>It wont, an Italian I know says she gets charged tourist prices
    >>>because "you don't live here anymore"
    >>In most places there are no "tourist prices". In fact such a thing is
    >>extremely rare in Italy.
    >perhaps you're still paying them then?

Almost everywhere the prices are marked on the goods and there is no
negotiation. In any case, I have never found that I've paid more for
something than my husband, and he was born and raised in this town.
One thing that has changed since people have come to know me is that
they will make an effort to give me top quality merchandise. For
instance, today at the fruit vendor I asked for four apples, and she
picked through a box of about a dozen to find the nicest four. (Of
course, this is also because I'm a nice person!) When I was unknown in
town, she might have just given me the first four that she
encountered. If I were a crabby and rude customer, she might try to
sneak in a blemished apple.

    > This women I speak of I
    >regard as reliable.(from the far south).

What kind of merchandise would have a tourist price anyway except
touristy stuff in a touristy locale?
--
Barbara Vaughan
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:46:19 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:15:33 +0000, The Reids
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>In what way? Seems to me Italian crime a tourist will encounter
    >>is minor rip offs while in US you might get shot?
    >140 have been shot in one district of Naples in the last 12 months.

It's not a part of Naples that anyone would likely encounter unless
they live there. It's nowhere near the center.

    >If you can't read local newspapers or understand local TV, it's easy
    >to get a false perception that there is little or no crime in a
    >country.

I've avoided commenting about Naples, as I haven't spent much time
there. However, I didn't encounter anything unpleasant there. I was
there twice, once to visit the famous Christmas market, which was
packed with tourists and should have been a prime spot for
pickpocketing. I went with a large group from our town, although we
all split up for the visit to the market. No one in the group had
anything nipped.

Also, the famous traffic didn't seem any worse than in New York. I
did notice that almost none of the scooter riders were wearing the
required helmet. I later read somewhere that gang members wear helmets
to avoid being identified and that young kids who are not gang members
are afraid of being mistaken if they wear a helmet.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

Following up to B Vaughan

    >> This women I speak of I
    >>regard as reliable.(from the far south).
    >What kind of merchandise would have a tourist price anyway except
    >touristy stuff in a touristy locale?

she said locals pay less than the listed prices in restaurants,
where else I didn't ask.
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Following up to B Vaughan

    >>140 have been shot in one district of Naples in the last 12 months.
    >It's not a part of Naples that anyone would likely encounter unless
    >they live there. It's nowhere near the center.

I must say driving well away from the centre places looked really
tatty and a bit rough, I don't suppose many tourists would be
interested in those areas.

    >>If you can't read local newspapers or understand local TV, it's easy
    >>to get a false perception that there is little or no crime in a
    >>country.
    >I've avoided commenting about Naples, as I haven't spent much time
    >there.

It doesn't stop anyone else!

    >Also, the famous traffic didn't seem any worse than in New York

I haven't driven in NY, but I thought Naples was a level above
anything in London, Paris and the rest of Italy. As I hear of US
drivers saying even London is too much then Naples must be
livelier than most of US, but perhaps not NY? But if Woody Allens
"Manhattan" depicts typical NY driving, everybody goes really
slowly!
Driving in London has got fairly relaxed in recent years, cars
generally obey traffic lights, don't bother to dive into any
small space you leave ahead and stay in lanes on the correct side
of the road, they don't shoot out of blind side turning or
overtake when you slow for a vehicle that did so. All of this
happened all the time in Napoli. Good fun!
--
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<<In what way? Seems to me Italian crime a tourist will encounter
is minor rip offs while in US you might get shot?

140 have been shot in one district of Naples in the last 12 months.

If you can't read local newspapers or understand local TV, it's easy
to get a false perception that there is little or no crime in a
country.>>

Here is an interesting example of the Camorra turf war.

http://www.corriere.it/english/galle...9/napoli.shtml

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:56:26 -0000, "Phred Bear" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    ><<In what way? Seems to me Italian crime a tourist will encounter
    >is minor rip offs while in US you might get shot?
    > 140 have been shot in one district of Naples in the last 12 months.
    > If you can't read local newspapers or understand local TV, it's easy
    > to get a false perception that there is little or no crime in a
    > country.>>
    >Here is an interesting example of the Camorra turf war.
    >http://www.corriere.it/english/galle...9/napoli.shtml

Would you believe that the undercover cop on the left is speaking to
the Carabineri on the right?
--
Martin

Naples is ahead of the game! Here is an article about the introduction of
the "No Smoking" law in Italy. At 1 minute past midnight when the law became
effective, some poor sucker in a bar in Naples became the first Italian to
be fined 27 euro for smoking in a public place.

http://www.corriere.it/english/artic..._smoking.shtml

"nitram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:56:26 -0000, "Phred Bear" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >Here is an interesting example of the Camorra turf war.
    > >
    > >http://www.corriere.it/english/galle...9/napoli.shtml
    > Would you believe that the undercover cop on the left is speaking to
    > the Carabineri on the right?

Yeah, it looks that way. I'm not unduly bothered as long as these toerags
stick to killing one another, but there was a really appalling incident
recently reported in the British and Italian press of a young woman, the
girlfriend of a young man involved in the gangs but herself totally
innocent, who was tortured and murdered by thugs from a rival gang trying to
find her boyfriend's whereabouts. I'm yer typical Guardian reader, but I
hope that when they find the bastards who did that they throw away the key.

Alan Harrison

The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
    >
    > >> You're approaching this the wrong way. Don't blunder around like
    > >> some Homer Simpson character insulting people and getting upset
    > >> because they don't do things they way they do in the States.
    > >
    > >I don't think there's any evidence from his post that that's what he did
    > >while in Italy- he's just venting his frustration about it here.
    > >(Besides, he said he had a great time- I don't see the problem.)
    >
    > If you refuse to pay a genuine official and advise the only good
    > thing about Napoli is a museum?

If you've been bothered by people, then the 'refusal' is understandable-
it wasn't on purpose, and I presume the poster paid upon realising the
situation. As to Naples (why are you calling it Napoli when typing in
English?) and the attractions, or lack thereof, well, that's his
opinion- and you're rebutting it. I just don't see anything about his
post which suggests that he was "getting upset because they don't do
things they way they do in the States." If that was the case, why did he
enjoy Sicily?! :)

FWIW, a friend of mine, who loves Italy, describes Naples as its
"armpit." He also claims that a museum there is divine, and the only
reason for going there. Then again, he's a classicist. I can't say- I've
only changed trains there and bought a pizza.

--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Following up to Phred Bear

    >Here is an interesting example of the Camorra turf war.
    >http://www.corriere.it/english/galle...9/napoli.shtml

perhaps one day we will understand prohibition doesn't work.
Although I doubt it.
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