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Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>> <[email protected]> writted:
>>
>> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>> >
>> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>>
>> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>> anti-terror laws?
>
>The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
>produced? Probably a lot worse.
Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
their alignment on any issue in an instant.
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[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>> <[email protected]> writted:
>>
>> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>> >
>> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>>
>> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>> anti-terror laws?
>
>The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
>produced? Probably a lot worse.
Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
their alignment on any issue in an instant.
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Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:14:28 -0700, Hatunen
<[email protected]> writted:
>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:26:38 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>><[email protected]> writted:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>>>>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>>>
>>>its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>>>issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>>>personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>>
>>Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>>anti-terror laws?
>
>Whether to tax yourself to fund new schools.
You mean "Should new schools be funded by the taxpayer?". Y'see, it
all depends on how you word it.
>Whether to build more freeways rather than promoting alternative
>transportion methods. Etc.
Another decision folks should be trusted to make themselves, given
this whole ownership society thing.
>Of course, whether this is good or bad depends on whose ox is
>being gored.
Or more to the point a general consensus on the issue.
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<[email protected]> writted:
>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:26:38 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>><[email protected]> writted:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>>>>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>>>
>>>its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>>>issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>>>personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>>
>>Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>>anti-terror laws?
>
>Whether to tax yourself to fund new schools.
You mean "Should new schools be funded by the taxpayer?". Y'see, it
all depends on how you word it.
>Whether to build more freeways rather than promoting alternative
>transportion methods. Etc.
Another decision folks should be trusted to make themselves, given
this whole ownership society thing.
>Of course, whether this is good or bad depends on whose ox is
>being gored.
Or more to the point a general consensus on the issue.
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Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:35:33 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:41:08 +0000,
> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> >>
> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Let is be knownst that on Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:39:05 +0000,
> >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >[]
> >> >> >> I would just like to see more parties, and more opportunities to have
> >> >> >> a say than once every few years.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Plenty of European countries have lots of parties. I'm not convinced
> >> >> >that system works much better.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then more say by the public would stir them up a bit.
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
> >> >> sure don't, and that's a good sign.
> >> >
> >> >No, it's not. Believe me, you don't want to be governed by opinion poll.
> >>
> >> Why not?
> >
> >Because opinion polls are very fickle, even more so than politicians. In
> >the UK, support for the death penalty goes up after each sensational
> >murder of a child, for example.
>
> The death penalty is not a political issue in the UK.
That bloody well went over your head then, didn't it? It's a big issue
with voters, but not with politicians. Most of Europe would probably
vote for the death penalty, at the right time. There are plenty of
studies you can read on the subject.
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wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:35:33 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:41:08 +0000,
> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> >>
> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Let is be knownst that on Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:39:05 +0000,
> >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >[]
> >> >> >> I would just like to see more parties, and more opportunities to have
> >> >> >> a say than once every few years.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Plenty of European countries have lots of parties. I'm not convinced
> >> >> >that system works much better.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then more say by the public would stir them up a bit.
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
> >> >> sure don't, and that's a good sign.
> >> >
> >> >No, it's not. Believe me, you don't want to be governed by opinion poll.
> >>
> >> Why not?
> >
> >Because opinion polls are very fickle, even more so than politicians. In
> >the UK, support for the death penalty goes up after each sensational
> >murder of a child, for example.
>
> The death penalty is not a political issue in the UK.
That bloody well went over your head then, didn't it? It's a big issue
with voters, but not with politicians. Most of Europe would probably
vote for the death penalty, at the right time. There are plenty of
studies you can read on the subject.
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Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
> >> <[email protected]> writted:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
> >> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
> >> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
> >> >
> >> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
> >> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
> >> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
> >>
> >> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
> >> anti-terror laws?
> >
> >The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
> >produced? Probably a lot worse.
>
> Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
> their alignment on any issue in an instant.
They certainly did. There's plenty of info on it- use google.
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(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
> >> <[email protected]> writted:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
> >> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
> >> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
> >> >
> >> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
> >> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
> >> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
> >>
> >> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
> >> anti-terror laws?
> >
> >The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
> >produced? Probably a lot worse.
>
> Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
> their alignment on any issue in an instant.
They certainly did. There's plenty of info on it- use google.
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:29:58 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:14:28 -0700, Hatunen
><[email protected]> writted:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:26:38 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>
>>>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>>><[email protected]> writted:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>>>>>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>>>>
>>>>its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>>>>issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>>>>personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>>>
>>>Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>>>anti-terror laws?
>>
>>Whether to tax yourself to fund new schools.
>
>You mean "Should new schools be funded by the taxpayer?". Y'see, it
>all depends on how you word it.
That's a different question entirely. Almost everyone agrees
that's where the funding should come from. Not everyone agrees
that they should actually pass such a tax.
>>Whether to build more freeways rather than promoting alternative
>>transportion methods. Etc.
>
>Another decision folks should be trusted to make themselves, given
>this whole ownership society thing.
>
>>Of course, whether this is good or bad depends on whose ox is
>>being gored.
>
>Or more to the point a general consensus on the issue.
Ah. A general consensus. I wonder how many of those one could
actually get.
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:14:28 -0700, Hatunen
><[email protected]> writted:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:26:38 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>
>>>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>>><[email protected]> writted:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>>>>>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>>>>
>>>>its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>>>>issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>>>>personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>>>
>>>Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>>>anti-terror laws?
>>
>>Whether to tax yourself to fund new schools.
>
>You mean "Should new schools be funded by the taxpayer?". Y'see, it
>all depends on how you word it.
That's a different question entirely. Almost everyone agrees
that's where the funding should come from. Not everyone agrees
that they should actually pass such a tax.
>>Whether to build more freeways rather than promoting alternative
>>transportion methods. Etc.
>
>Another decision folks should be trusted to make themselves, given
>this whole ownership society thing.
>
>>Of course, whether this is good or bad depends on whose ox is
>>being gored.
>
>Or more to the point a general consensus on the issue.
Ah. A general consensus. I wonder how many of those one could
actually get.
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Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:30:55 +0000,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:35:33 +0000,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>> >Because opinion polls are very fickle, even more so than politicians. In
>> >the UK, support for the death penalty goes up after each sensational
>> >murder of a child, for example.
>>
>> The death penalty is not a political issue in the UK.
>
>That bloody well went over your head then, didn't it? It's a big issue
>with voters, but not with politicians. Most of Europe would probably
>vote for the death penalty, at the right time. There are plenty of
>studies you can read on the subject.
Obviously you assumed that what I was suggesting involved the instant
reaction to every shock that fell upon the populace. It was definitely
not.
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[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:35:33 +0000,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>> >Because opinion polls are very fickle, even more so than politicians. In
>> >the UK, support for the death penalty goes up after each sensational
>> >murder of a child, for example.
>>
>> The death penalty is not a political issue in the UK.
>
>That bloody well went over your head then, didn't it? It's a big issue
>with voters, but not with politicians. Most of Europe would probably
>vote for the death penalty, at the right time. There are plenty of
>studies you can read on the subject.
Obviously you assumed that what I was suggesting involved the instant
reaction to every shock that fell upon the populace. It was definitely
not.
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Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:31:49 +0000,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>>
>> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>> >> <[email protected]> writted:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>> >> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>> >> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>> >> >
>> >> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>> >> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>> >> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>> >>
>> >> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>> >> anti-terror laws?
>> >
>> >The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
>> >produced? Probably a lot worse.
>>
>> Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
>> their alignment on any issue in an instant.
>
>They certainly did. There's plenty of info on it- use google.
"use google"???
You could use that as a comeback to any line of reasoning!
Back to the subject, just how many Brits changed their view on
anything political on July 7, 2005?
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[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>>
>> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>> >> <[email protected]> writted:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>> >> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>> >> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>> >> >
>> >> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>> >> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>> >> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>> >>
>> >> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>> >> anti-terror laws?
>> >
>> >The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
>> >produced? Probably a lot worse.
>>
>> Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
>> their alignment on any issue in an instant.
>
>They certainly did. There's plenty of info on it- use google.
"use google"???
You could use that as a comeback to any line of reasoning!
Back to the subject, just how many Brits changed their view on
anything political on July 7, 2005?
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Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:42:26 -0700, Hatunen
<[email protected]> writted:
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:29:58 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:14:28 -0700, Hatunen
>><[email protected]> writted:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:26:38 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>>>><[email protected]> writted:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>>>>>>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>>>>>
>>>>>its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>>>>>issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>>>>>personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>>>>
>>>>Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>>>>anti-terror laws?
>>>
>>>Whether to tax yourself to fund new schools.
>>
>>You mean "Should new schools be funded by the taxpayer?". Y'see, it
>>all depends on how you word it.
>
>That's a different question entirely. Almost everyone agrees
>that's where the funding should come from. Not everyone agrees
>that they should actually pass such a tax.
It seems to me that you are posing a different question here, namely
the way that taxes are collected.
>>>Whether to build more freeways rather than promoting alternative
>>>transportion methods. Etc.
>>
>>Another decision folks should be trusted to make themselves, given
>>this whole ownership society thing.
>>
>>>Of course, whether this is good or bad depends on whose ox is
>>>being gored.
>>
>>Or more to the point a general consensus on the issue.
>
>Ah. A general consensus. I wonder how many of those one could
>actually get.
A better one than a vote every couple of years. That's what I'm
saying.
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<[email protected]> writted:
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:29:58 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:14:28 -0700, Hatunen
>><[email protected]> writted:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:26:38 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>>>><[email protected]> writted:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>>>>>>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>>>>>
>>>>>its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>>>>>issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>>>>>personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>>>>
>>>>Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>>>>anti-terror laws?
>>>
>>>Whether to tax yourself to fund new schools.
>>
>>You mean "Should new schools be funded by the taxpayer?". Y'see, it
>>all depends on how you word it.
>
>That's a different question entirely. Almost everyone agrees
>that's where the funding should come from. Not everyone agrees
>that they should actually pass such a tax.
It seems to me that you are posing a different question here, namely
the way that taxes are collected.
>>>Whether to build more freeways rather than promoting alternative
>>>transportion methods. Etc.
>>
>>Another decision folks should be trusted to make themselves, given
>>this whole ownership society thing.
>>
>>>Of course, whether this is good or bad depends on whose ox is
>>>being gored.
>>
>>Or more to the point a general consensus on the issue.
>
>Ah. A general consensus. I wonder how many of those one could
>actually get.
A better one than a vote every couple of years. That's what I'm
saying.
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Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
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> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:30:55 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:35:33 +0000,
> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >> >Because opinion polls are very fickle, even more so than politicians. In
> >> >the UK, support for the death penalty goes up after each sensational
> >> >murder of a child, for example.
> >>
> >> The death penalty is not a political issue in the UK.
> >
> >That bloody well went over your head then, didn't it? It's a big issue
> >with voters, but not with politicians. Most of Europe would probably
> >vote for the death penalty, at the right time. There are plenty of
> >studies you can read on the subject.
>
> Obviously you assumed that what I was suggesting involved the instant
> reaction to every shock that fell upon the populace. It was definitely
> not.
Well I suggest you try to be clearer about what you mean the next time-
you're venting a lot- why not explain exactly what your little bit of
democracy exactly is, and that way I can avoid trying to guess what the
hell it is that you actually mean?
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wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:30:55 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:35:33 +0000,
> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >> >Because opinion polls are very fickle, even more so than politicians. In
> >> >the UK, support for the death penalty goes up after each sensational
> >> >murder of a child, for example.
> >>
> >> The death penalty is not a political issue in the UK.
> >
> >That bloody well went over your head then, didn't it? It's a big issue
> >with voters, but not with politicians. Most of Europe would probably
> >vote for the death penalty, at the right time. There are plenty of
> >studies you can read on the subject.
>
> Obviously you assumed that what I was suggesting involved the instant
> reaction to every shock that fell upon the populace. It was definitely
> not.
Well I suggest you try to be clearer about what you mean the next time-
you're venting a lot- why not explain exactly what your little bit of
democracy exactly is, and that way I can avoid trying to guess what the
hell it is that you actually mean?
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Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:31:49 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> >>
> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
> >> >> <[email protected]> writted:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
> >> >> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
> >> >> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
> >> >> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
> >> >> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
> >> >>
> >> >> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
> >> >> anti-terror laws?
> >> >
> >> >The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
> >> >produced? Probably a lot worse.
> >>
> >> Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
> >> their alignment on any issue in an instant.
> >
> >They certainly did. There's plenty of info on it- use google.
>
> "use google"???
>
> You could use that as a comeback to any line of reasoning!
>
> Back to the subject, just how many Brits changed their view on
> anything political on July 7, 2005?
I don't know- why not poll them?
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wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:31:49 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> >>
> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
> >> >> <[email protected]> writted:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
> >> >> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
> >> >> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
> >> >> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
> >> >> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
> >> >>
> >> >> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
> >> >> anti-terror laws?
> >> >
> >> >The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
> >> >produced? Probably a lot worse.
> >>
> >> Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
> >> their alignment on any issue in an instant.
> >
> >They certainly did. There's plenty of info on it- use google.
>
> "use google"???
>
> You could use that as a comeback to any line of reasoning!
>
> Back to the subject, just how many Brits changed their view on
> anything political on July 7, 2005?
I don't know- why not poll them?
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:29:58 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Or more to the point a general consensus on the issue.
how often do you get that?
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Or more to the point a general consensus on the issue.
how often do you get that?
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:19:40 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>The death penalty is not a political issue in the UK.
it is to the electorate, i'm afraid.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>The death penalty is not a political issue in the UK.
it is to the electorate, i'm afraid.
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Let is be knownst that on Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:25:17 +0000,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:30:55 +0000,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>>
>> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:35:33 +0000,
>> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>>
>> >> >Because opinion polls are very fickle, even more so than politicians. In
>> >> >the UK, support for the death penalty goes up after each sensational
>> >> >murder of a child, for example.
>> >>
>> >> The death penalty is not a political issue in the UK.
>> >
>> >That bloody well went over your head then, didn't it? It's a big issue
>> >with voters, but not with politicians. Most of Europe would probably
>> >vote for the death penalty, at the right time. There are plenty of
>> >studies you can read on the subject.
>>
>> Obviously you assumed that what I was suggesting involved the instant
>> reaction to every shock that fell upon the populace. It was definitely
>> not.
>
>Well I suggest you try to be clearer about what you mean the next time-
>you're venting a lot- why not explain exactly what your little bit of
>democracy exactly is, and that way I can avoid trying to guess what the
>hell it is that you actually mean?
Simply put, I think opinion polls should have a bigger effect on
political decisions. The mechanics for how this should be employed
would be up for debate, and so no, I don't wish to offered a detailed
solution. I just want to see that politicians can be rattled by the
populace more easily.
Ummm... is that clear?
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[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:30:55 +0000,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>>
>> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:35:33 +0000,
>> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>>
>> >> >Because opinion polls are very fickle, even more so than politicians. In
>> >> >the UK, support for the death penalty goes up after each sensational
>> >> >murder of a child, for example.
>> >>
>> >> The death penalty is not a political issue in the UK.
>> >
>> >That bloody well went over your head then, didn't it? It's a big issue
>> >with voters, but not with politicians. Most of Europe would probably
>> >vote for the death penalty, at the right time. There are plenty of
>> >studies you can read on the subject.
>>
>> Obviously you assumed that what I was suggesting involved the instant
>> reaction to every shock that fell upon the populace. It was definitely
>> not.
>
>Well I suggest you try to be clearer about what you mean the next time-
>you're venting a lot- why not explain exactly what your little bit of
>democracy exactly is, and that way I can avoid trying to guess what the
>hell it is that you actually mean?
Simply put, I think opinion polls should have a bigger effect on
political decisions. The mechanics for how this should be employed
would be up for debate, and so no, I don't wish to offered a detailed
solution. I just want to see that politicians can be rattled by the
populace more easily.
Ummm... is that clear?
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Let is be knownst that on Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:25:18 +0000,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:31:49 +0000,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>>
>> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
>> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>> >>
>> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>> >> >> <[email protected]> writted:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>> >> >> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>> >> >> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>> >> >> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>> >> >> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>> >> >> anti-terror laws?
>> >> >
>> >> >The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
>> >> >produced? Probably a lot worse.
>> >>
>> >> Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
>> >> their alignment on any issue in an instant.
>> >
>> >They certainly did. There's plenty of info on it- use google.
>>
>> "use google"???
>>
>> You could use that as a comeback to any line of reasoning!
>>
>> Back to the subject, just how many Brits changed their view on
>> anything political on July 7, 2005?
>
>I don't know- why not poll them?
You don't know but "They certainly did"?
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[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:31:49 +0000,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>>
>> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
>> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>> >>
>> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
>> >> >> <[email protected]> writted:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>> >> >> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
>> >> >> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
>> >> >> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
>> >> >> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
>> >> >> anti-terror laws?
>> >> >
>> >> >The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
>> >> >produced? Probably a lot worse.
>> >>
>> >> Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
>> >> their alignment on any issue in an instant.
>> >
>> >They certainly did. There's plenty of info on it- use google.
>>
>> "use google"???
>>
>> You could use that as a comeback to any line of reasoning!
>>
>> Back to the subject, just how many Brits changed their view on
>> anything political on July 7, 2005?
>
>I don't know- why not poll them?
You don't know but "They certainly did"?
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wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:25:18 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:31:49 +0000,
> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> >>
> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
> >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> writted:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
> >> >> >> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
> >> >> >> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
> >> >> >> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
> >> >> >> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
> >> >> >> anti-terror laws?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
> >> >> >produced? Probably a lot worse.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
> >> >> their alignment on any issue in an instant.
> >> >
> >> >They certainly did. There's plenty of info on it- use google.
> >>
> >> "use google"???
> >>
> >> You could use that as a comeback to any line of reasoning!
> >>
> >> Back to the subject, just how many Brits changed their view on
> >> anything political on July 7, 2005?
> >
> >I don't know- why not poll them?
>
> You don't know but "They certainly did"?
I don't know the numbers.
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wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:25:18 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:31:49 +0000,
> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> >>
> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:56 +0000,
> >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Let is be knownst that on Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:18:01 +0000, The Reid
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> writted:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
> >> >> >> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>Actually I like the idea of governance by opinion poll. Politicians
> >> >> >> >>sure don't, and that's a good sign.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >its bad enough people being uninformed in choosing parties, deciding
> >> >> >> >issues might be a disaster! People might just vote for short term
> >> >> >> >personal interest, how would hard decisions get taken?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hard decisions like what? Going to war? Privatising things? Passing
> >> >> >> anti-terror laws?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The day after July 7, 2005, who knows what an opinion poll would have
> >> >> >produced? Probably a lot worse.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or quite probably not. Brits were horrified, but they didn't change
> >> >> their alignment on any issue in an instant.
> >> >
> >> >They certainly did. There's plenty of info on it- use google.
> >>
> >> "use google"???
> >>
> >> You could use that as a comeback to any line of reasoning!
> >>
> >> Back to the subject, just how many Brits changed their view on
> >> anything political on July 7, 2005?
> >
> >I don't know- why not poll them?
>
> You don't know but "They certainly did"?
I don't know the numbers.
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