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> ... > Graham Murray wrote
> ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
> ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
> ... >
> ... "Magda" wrote
> ... > 1992, I think.
> ...
> "Tim" wrote
> ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
> ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>
"Magda" wrote
> No way.
Yep, WAY!
> ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
> ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
> ... >
> ... "Magda" wrote
> ... > 1992, I think.
> ...
> "Tim" wrote
> ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
> ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>
"Magda" wrote
> No way.
Yep, WAY!
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tim..... wrote:
> "Tim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> Graham Murray wrote
>>> ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
>>> 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
>>>
>> "Magda" wrote
>>> 1992, I think.
>>
>> Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
>> Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>
> But OE wasn't
>
> I worked on Windows 2 apps in 1990.
>
> They were very basic and few people actually
> had machines which could run them.
>
> I was first introduced to usenet in Sept 1993. The
> people that I worked with read messages with
> a command line interface. I though that this
> was much too fiddly and didn't bother
Google Groups archive (which used to belong to DejaNews) has messages back
to (at least) May 1981 when there were already quite a wide variety of
groups on Usenet.
Byte magazine had an article on the 'upcoming' Windows 1.0 in December 1983.
I *believe* Windows 1.0 was in 1985.
Point'n'drool interfaces took a while to take off - and there was a thriving
community well before that.
The higher intellectual cost-of-entry acted as a useful limit to who managed
to get on there.
No offence ;-)
> "Tim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> Graham Murray wrote
>>> ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
>>> 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
>>>
>> "Magda" wrote
>>> 1992, I think.
>>
>> Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
>> Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>
> But OE wasn't
>
> I worked on Windows 2 apps in 1990.
>
> They were very basic and few people actually
> had machines which could run them.
>
> I was first introduced to usenet in Sept 1993. The
> people that I worked with read messages with
> a command line interface. I though that this
> was much too fiddly and didn't bother
Google Groups archive (which used to belong to DejaNews) has messages back
to (at least) May 1981 when there were already quite a wide variety of
groups on Usenet.
Byte magazine had an article on the 'upcoming' Windows 1.0 in December 1983.
I *believe* Windows 1.0 was in 1985.
Point'n'drool interfaces took a while to take off - and there was a thriving
community well before that.
The higher intellectual cost-of-entry acted as a useful limit to who managed
to get on there.
No offence ;-)
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tim..... wrote:
> "Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:38:52 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Tim"
>> <[email protected]> arranged some
>> electrons, so they looked like this:
>>
>> ... > Graham Murray wrote
>> ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
>> ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
>> ... >
>> ... "Magda" wrote
>> ... > 1992, I think.
>> ...
>> ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
>> ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>>
>> No way.
>
> November 1983 to be precise
>
> http://www.oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/timeline.htm
>
> Almost nobody used it
3.1 was the first 'useful' version. Although the command line still has it's
uses. I was writing a commercial Windows App just the other day that uses it
'under the hood' as there are still things Windows is just no good at.
> "Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:38:52 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Tim"
>> <[email protected]> arranged some
>> electrons, so they looked like this:
>>
>> ... > Graham Murray wrote
>> ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
>> ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
>> ... >
>> ... "Magda" wrote
>> ... > 1992, I think.
>> ...
>> ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
>> ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>>
>> No way.
>
> November 1983 to be precise
>
> http://www.oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/timeline.htm
>
> Almost nobody used it
3.1 was the first 'useful' version. Although the command line still has it's
uses. I was writing a commercial Windows App just the other day that uses it
'under the hood' as there are still things Windows is just no good at.
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"PC Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ...
> tim..... wrote:
>> "Tim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Graham Murray wrote
>>>> ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
>>>> 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
>>>>
>>> "Magda" wrote
>>>> 1992, I think.
>>>
>>> Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
>>> Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>>
>> But OE wasn't
>>
>> I worked on Windows 2 apps in 1990.
>>
>> They were very basic and few people actually
>> had machines which could run them.
>>
>> I was first introduced to usenet in Sept 1993. The
>> people that I worked with read messages with
>> a command line interface. I though that this
>> was much too fiddly and didn't bother
>
> Google Groups archive (which used to belong to DejaNews) has messages back
> to (at least) May 1981 when there were already quite a wide variety of
> groups on Usenet.
>
> Byte magazine had an article on the 'upcoming' Windows 1.0 in December
> 1983. I *believe* Windows 1.0 was in 1985.
>
> Point'n'drool interfaces took a while to take off - and there was a
> thriving community well before that.
>
> The higher intellectual cost-of-entry acted as a useful limit to who
> managed to get on there.
IME the users were people who had access at work,
and had nothing better to do whilst at work.
Though there was probably a group of people who had
access at college, and nothing better to do whilst at
college.
tim
news:[email protected] ...
> tim..... wrote:
>> "Tim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Graham Murray wrote
>>>> ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
>>>> 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
>>>>
>>> "Magda" wrote
>>>> 1992, I think.
>>>
>>> Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
>>> Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>>
>> But OE wasn't
>>
>> I worked on Windows 2 apps in 1990.
>>
>> They were very basic and few people actually
>> had machines which could run them.
>>
>> I was first introduced to usenet in Sept 1993. The
>> people that I worked with read messages with
>> a command line interface. I though that this
>> was much too fiddly and didn't bother
>
> Google Groups archive (which used to belong to DejaNews) has messages back
> to (at least) May 1981 when there were already quite a wide variety of
> groups on Usenet.
>
> Byte magazine had an article on the 'upcoming' Windows 1.0 in December
> 1983. I *believe* Windows 1.0 was in 1985.
>
> Point'n'drool interfaces took a while to take off - and there was a
> thriving community well before that.
>
> The higher intellectual cost-of-entry acted as a useful limit to who
> managed to get on there.
IME the users were people who had access at work,
and had nothing better to do whilst at work.
Though there was probably a group of people who had
access at college, and nothing better to do whilst at
college.
tim
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:12:47 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "tim....."
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ... > Graham Murray wrote
... > ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
... > ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
... > ... >
... > ... "Magda" wrote
... > ... > 1992, I think.
... > ...
... > ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
... > ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
... >
... > No way.
...
... November 1983 to be precise
...
... http://www.oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/timeline.htm
...
... Almost nobody used it
For ten years the thing was in a corner, gathering dust?
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ... > Graham Murray wrote
... > ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
... > ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
... > ... >
... > ... "Magda" wrote
... > ... > 1992, I think.
... > ...
... > ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
... > ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
... >
... > No way.
...
... November 1983 to be precise
...
... http://www.oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/timeline.htm
...
... Almost nobody used it
For ten years the thing was in a corner, gathering dust?
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tim..... wrote:
> "PC Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> Google Groups archive (which used to belong to DejaNews) has
>> messages back to (at least) May 1981 when there were already quite a
>> wide variety of groups on Usenet.
>>
>> Byte magazine had an article on the 'upcoming' Windows 1.0 in
>> December 1983. I *believe* Windows 1.0 was in 1985.
>>
>> Point'n'drool interfaces took a while to take off - and there was a
>> thriving community well before that.
>>
>> The higher intellectual cost-of-entry acted as a useful limit to who
>> managed to get on there.
>
> IME the users were people who had access at work,
> and had nothing better to do whilst at work.
>
> Though there was probably a group of people who had
> access at college, and nothing better to do whilst at
> college.
>
Undoubtedly. Just like now?
(There were some of us who used it for 'real' work, but then as now, there
were always more interesting things to do with it...)
> "PC Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> Google Groups archive (which used to belong to DejaNews) has
>> messages back to (at least) May 1981 when there were already quite a
>> wide variety of groups on Usenet.
>>
>> Byte magazine had an article on the 'upcoming' Windows 1.0 in
>> December 1983. I *believe* Windows 1.0 was in 1985.
>>
>> Point'n'drool interfaces took a while to take off - and there was a
>> thriving community well before that.
>>
>> The higher intellectual cost-of-entry acted as a useful limit to who
>> managed to get on there.
>
> IME the users were people who had access at work,
> and had nothing better to do whilst at work.
>
> Though there was probably a group of people who had
> access at college, and nothing better to do whilst at
> college.
>
Undoubtedly. Just like now?
(There were some of us who used it for 'real' work, but then as now, there
were always more interesting things to do with it...)
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"Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:38:52 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Tim"
> <[email protected]> arranged some
> electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... > Graham Murray wrote
> ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
> ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
> ... >
> ... "Magda" wrote
> ... > 1992, I think.
> ...
> ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
> ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>
> No way.
Way. I remember seeing it on computers around 1987 or so.
cheers,
clive
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:38:52 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Tim"
> <[email protected]> arranged some
> electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... > Graham Murray wrote
> ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
> ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
> ... >
> ... "Magda" wrote
> ... > 1992, I think.
> ...
> ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
> ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>
> No way.
Way. I remember seeing it on computers around 1987 or so.
cheers,
clive
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"Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:12:47 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "tim....."
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> ... > ... > Graham Murray wrote
> ... > ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
> ... > ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... "Magda" wrote
> ... > ... > 1992, I think.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
> ... > ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
> ... >
> ... > No way.
> ...
> ... November 1983 to be precise
> ...
> ... http://www.oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/timeline.htm
> ...
> ... Almost nobody used it
>
> For ten years the thing was in a corner, gathering dust?
If you want to think of it that way
tim
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:12:47 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "tim....."
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> ... > ... > Graham Murray wrote
> ... > ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
> ... > ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... "Magda" wrote
> ... > ... > 1992, I think.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
> ... > ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
> ... >
> ... > No way.
> ...
> ... November 1983 to be precise
> ...
> ... http://www.oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/timeline.htm
> ...
> ... Almost nobody used it
>
> For ten years the thing was in a corner, gathering dust?
If you want to think of it that way
tim
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:24:19 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "tim....."
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ...
... > ... Almost nobody used it
... >
... > For ten years the thing was in a corner, gathering dust?
...
... If you want to think of it that way
Sorry, the "nobody used it" threw me off.
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ...
... > ... Almost nobody used it
... >
... > For ten years the thing was in a corner, gathering dust?
...
... If you want to think of it that way
Sorry, the "nobody used it" threw me off.
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Make credence recognised that on Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:23:29 GMT, "PC
Paul" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>tim..... wrote:
>> "Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:38:52 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Tim"
>>> <[email protected]> arranged some
>>> electrons, so they looked like this:
>>>
>>> ... > Graham Murray wrote
>>> ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
>>> ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
>>> ... >
>>> ... "Magda" wrote
>>> ... > 1992, I think.
>>> ...
>>> ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
>>> ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>>>
>>> No way.
>>
>> November 1983 to be precise
>>
>> http://www.oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/timeline.htm
>>
>> Almost nobody used it
>
>3.1 was the first 'useful' version. Although the command line still has it's
>uses. I was writing a commercial Windows App just the other day that uses it
>'under the hood' as there are still things Windows is just no good at.
Wow, I haven't done that for years! Care to let us in on what you did?
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Paul" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>tim..... wrote:
>> "Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:38:52 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Tim"
>>> <[email protected]> arranged some
>>> electrons, so they looked like this:
>>>
>>> ... > Graham Murray wrote
>>> ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
>>> ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
>>> ... >
>>> ... "Magda" wrote
>>> ... > 1992, I think.
>>> ...
>>> ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
>>> ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>>>
>>> No way.
>>
>> November 1983 to be precise
>>
>> http://www.oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/timeline.htm
>>
>> Almost nobody used it
>
>3.1 was the first 'useful' version. Although the command line still has it's
>uses. I was writing a commercial Windows App just the other day that uses it
>'under the hood' as there are still things Windows is just no good at.
Wow, I haven't done that for years! Care to let us in on what you did?
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Clive George <[email protected]> wrote:
[Windows]
> Way. I remember seeing it on computers around 1987 or so.
Windows 1.0 was launched in November 1985. It was a pile of poo, a
tradition that has been consistently maintained right the way up to the
present day.
[Windows]
> Way. I remember seeing it on computers around 1987 or so.
Windows 1.0 was launched in November 1985. It was a pile of poo, a
tradition that has been consistently maintained right the way up to the
present day.
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Make credence recognised that on Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:12:03 +0100,
"Clive George" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>"Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:38:52 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Tim"
>> <[email protected]> arranged some
>> electrons, so they looked like this:
>>
>> ... > Graham Murray wrote
>> ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
>> ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
>> ... >
>> ... "Magda" wrote
>> ... > 1992, I think.
>> ...
>> ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
>> ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>>
>> No way.
>
>Way. I remember seeing it on computers around 1987 or so.
Well, it didn't really resemble anything comparable to Windows we know
today. 3.1 however, does.
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"Clive George" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>"Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:38:52 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Tim"
>> <[email protected]> arranged some
>> electrons, so they looked like this:
>>
>> ... > Graham Murray wrote
>> ... > ... The IBM PC was launched in 1981,
>> ... > 26 years ago. Windows was later than that,
>> ... >
>> ... "Magda" wrote
>> ... > 1992, I think.
>> ...
>> ... Don't be silly! - Win3.1 was already out by then.
>> ... Windows v1 was out in the '80s...
>>
>> No way.
>
>Way. I remember seeing it on computers around 1987 or so.
Well, it didn't really resemble anything comparable to Windows we know
today. 3.1 however, does.
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Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:
> >Windows 1.0 was launched in November 1985. It was a pile of poo, a
> >tradition that has been consistently maintained right the way up to the
> >present day.
>
> Windows is not bad. Not great, but better than anything else that's
> been available.
>
> The alternative is to go Mac, but be prepared to change worlds - and
> open your wallet!
Where did this gem of 'knowledge' come from?
Mac hardware is no more expensive than any other quality computer
hardware. My MacBook was stupidly cheap when compared with a lot of the
WinTel machines out there. The OS is actually *cheaper* than Windows if
you want the same functionality.
So, in conclusion, you're talking shite.
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wrote:
> >Windows 1.0 was launched in November 1985. It was a pile of poo, a
> >tradition that has been consistently maintained right the way up to the
> >present day.
>
> Windows is not bad. Not great, but better than anything else that's
> been available.
>
> The alternative is to go Mac, but be prepared to change worlds - and
> open your wallet!
Where did this gem of 'knowledge' come from?
Mac hardware is no more expensive than any other quality computer
hardware. My MacBook was stupidly cheap when compared with a lot of the
WinTel machines out there. The OS is actually *cheaper* than Windows if
you want the same functionality.
So, in conclusion, you're talking shite.
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SteveH wrote:
> Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> wrote:
>
>>> Windows 1.0 was launched in November 1985. It was a pile of poo, a
>>> tradition that has been consistently maintained right the way up to the
>>> present day.
>> Windows is not bad. Not great, but better than anything else that's
>> been available.
>>
>> The alternative is to go Mac, but be prepared to change worlds - and
>> open your wallet!
>
> Where did this gem of 'knowledge' come from?
>
> Mac hardware is no more expensive than any other quality computer
> hardware. My MacBook was stupidly cheap when compared with a lot of the
> WinTel machines out there. The OS is actually *cheaper* than Windows if
> you want the same functionality.
>
> So, in conclusion, you're talking shite.
>
>
>
I agree, Windoze is hard work, MAC's rule.
> Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> wrote:
>
>>> Windows 1.0 was launched in November 1985. It was a pile of poo, a
>>> tradition that has been consistently maintained right the way up to the
>>> present day.
>> Windows is not bad. Not great, but better than anything else that's
>> been available.
>>
>> The alternative is to go Mac, but be prepared to change worlds - and
>> open your wallet!
>
> Where did this gem of 'knowledge' come from?
>
> Mac hardware is no more expensive than any other quality computer
> hardware. My MacBook was stupidly cheap when compared with a lot of the
> WinTel machines out there. The OS is actually *cheaper* than Windows if
> you want the same functionality.
>
> So, in conclusion, you're talking shite.
>
>
>
I agree, Windoze is hard work, MAC's rule.
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%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) has scripted:
>Clive George <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[Windows]
>
>> Way. I remember seeing it on computers around 1987 or so.
>
>Windows 1.0 was launched in November 1985. It was a pile of poo, a
>tradition that has been consistently maintained right the way up to the
>present day.
Windows is not bad. Not great, but better than anything else that's
been available.
The alternative is to go Mac, but be prepared to change worlds - and
open your wallet!
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%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) has scripted:
>Clive George <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[Windows]
>
>> Way. I remember seeing it on computers around 1987 or so.
>
>Windows 1.0 was launched in November 1985. It was a pile of poo, a
>tradition that has been consistently maintained right the way up to the
>present day.
Windows is not bad. Not great, but better than anything else that's
been available.
The alternative is to go Mac, but be prepared to change worlds - and
open your wallet!
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