Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6578595.stm

Thousands of motorists who use a bank card to buy petrol are thought to have
lost millions of pounds in a scam allegedly linked to Tamil rebels.

It is believed cards are being skimmed at petrol stations, whereby the card
details and pin numbers are retrieved and money withdrawn from the account.

About 200 of the UK's 9,500 petrol stations are thought to have been hit.

The Sri Lankan government has claimed its opponents, the Tamil Tigers, are
behind the scam.

Police are investigating complaints made in Edinburgh, Norwich, Bury St
Edmunds, Peterborough, Nottingham, Leeds, Bristol and Hull.

In Hull, the economic crime section of Humberside Police are checking
thousands of receipts for fuel bought with credit or debit cards at one
petrol station.

Detective Inspector Paul Welton, of Humberside Police, said "Quite clearly
this was well-organised and it was done on an international basis."

Those alleged to have been involved were able to obtain card details and pin
numbers and put them together to clone the cards, police said.

The site in Hull is now under new management, and the new owners are not
linked to the police inquiry.

Sean Gillespie, one of thousands of possible victims, noticed his bank
account was being emptied of small amounts over weeks, amounting to
thousands of pounds.

"I knew how much had been taken but how it was taken was an absolute mystery
to me," he told BBC News.

'Arms funding'

Most of the UK's petrol stations are independently run which means they are
susceptible to being infiltrated by organised crime.

And the Sri Lankan Government believes it is the Tamil Tigers who are using
threats to coerce innocent Sri Lankans to take part in the scam.

They say Tamil asylum seekers arriving in the UK are loaned money to open a
petrol station, and once established they supply information to the
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE).

Maxwell Keegel, first secretary of the Sri Lankan High Commission in London,
said: "They extract the pin and details from the cards and within minutes
this information is sent to LTTE agents who operate in remote parts of the
world, as far away as Thailand and Indonesia.

"And the money goes unwittingly from people's accounts and ends up going
into the LTTE's arms activities."

The petrol industry accepts it is a problem.

Some retailers have already replaced all their chip and pin machines, while
some consumers are only using cash to buy petrol.

Nick Vandervell, of the UK Petroleum Industry Association, said "We are
working with the independent retailers but it is difficult to tell them what
to do."

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

Incredible the number of people who think they just must post news articles
they haven't written themselves !!!
Not a comment, which would be OT anyway, not a mind for themselves,
crosspost is preferable, and let us compete between evleth (the mother of
all spammers), martin, michaelnewport aka crapman, morrow and a few others.
What drives these people to act like that?
Old age ?
Sense of uselessness ?
No one to tell them they are brave and beautiful ?




"Tom Bradbury" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6578595.stm
>
> Thousands of motorists who use a bank card to buy petrol are thought to
> have lost millions of pounds in a scam allegedly linked to Tamil rebels.
>
> It is believed cards are being skimmed at petrol stations, whereby the
> card details and pin numbers are retrieved and money withdrawn from the
> account.
>
> About 200 of the UK's 9,500 petrol stations are thought to have been hit.
>
> The Sri Lankan government has claimed its opponents, the Tamil Tigers, are
> behind the scam.
>
> Police are investigating complaints made in Edinburgh, Norwich, Bury St
> Edmunds, Peterborough, Nottingham, Leeds, Bristol and Hull.
>
> In Hull, the economic crime section of Humberside Police are checking
> thousands of receipts for fuel bought with credit or debit cards at one
> petrol station.
>
> Detective Inspector Paul Welton, of Humberside Police, said "Quite clearly
> this was well-organised and it was done on an international basis."
>
> Those alleged to have been involved were able to obtain card details and
> pin numbers and put them together to clone the cards, police said.
>
> The site in Hull is now under new management, and the new owners are not
> linked to the police inquiry.
>
> Sean Gillespie, one of thousands of possible victims, noticed his bank
> account was being emptied of small amounts over weeks, amounting to
> thousands of pounds.
>
> "I knew how much had been taken but how it was taken was an absolute
> mystery to me," he told BBC News.
>
> 'Arms funding'
>
> Most of the UK's petrol stations are independently run which means they
> are susceptible to being infiltrated by organised crime.
>
> And the Sri Lankan Government believes it is the Tamil Tigers who are
> using threats to coerce innocent Sri Lankans to take part in the scam.
>
> They say Tamil asylum seekers arriving in the UK are loaned money to open
> a petrol station, and once established they supply information to the
> Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE).
>
> Maxwell Keegel, first secretary of the Sri Lankan High Commission in
> London, said: "They extract the pin and details from the cards and within
> minutes this information is sent to LTTE agents who operate in remote
> parts of the world, as far away as Thailand and Indonesia.
>
> "And the money goes unwittingly from people's accounts and ends up going
> into the LTTE's arms activities."
>
> The petrol industry accepts it is a problem.
>
> Some retailers have already replaced all their chip and pin machines,
> while some consumers are only using cash to buy petrol.
>
> Nick Vandervell, of the UK Petroleum Industry Association, said "We are
> working with the independent retailers but it is difficult to tell them
> what to do."
>
>

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

"Runge1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Incredible the number of people who think they just must post news
> articles they haven't written themselves !!!
> Not a comment, which would be OT anyway, not a mind for themselves,
> crosspost is preferable, and let us compete between evleth (the mother of
> all spammers), martin, michaelnewport aka crapman, morrow and a few
> others.
> What drives these people to act like that?
> Old age ?
> Sense of uselessness ?
> No one to tell them they are brave and beautiful ?
>
>
>
>
> "Tom Bradbury" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> [email protected]...
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6578595.stm
>>
>> Thousands of motorists who use a bank card to buy petrol are thought to
>> have lost millions of pounds in a scam allegedly linked to Tamil rebels.
>>


I agree with you, the link would say it all. Having said that top posting is
not viewed as polite on newsgroups, so as in life, no one is perfect ;-)

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

"Tom Bradbury" <[email protected]> writes:

> Maxwell Keegel, first secretary of the Sri Lankan High Commission in London,
> said: "They extract the pin and details from the cards and within minutes
> this information is sent to LTTE agents who operate in remote parts of the
> world, as far away as Thailand and Indonesia.
>
> "And the money goes unwittingly from people's accounts and ends up going
> into the LTTE's arms activities."

Surely it must raise (hopefully very loud) alarm bells if a card is used
in quick succession in two widely separated locations. As it is claimed
that the PIN is captured, this implies that the fraud involves
cardholder present transaction (or withdraw from ATMs) using a cloned
magnetic stripe card. As the same card cannot legitimately be in two
places at once or be moved too rapidly from one place to another, should
this type of fraud not be easier to detect than CNP frauds?

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

"Graham Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Tom Bradbury" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Maxwell Keegel, first secretary of the Sri Lankan High Commission in
>> London,
>> said: "They extract the pin and details from the cards and within minutes
>> this information is sent to LTTE agents who operate in remote parts of
>> the
>> world, as far away as Thailand and Indonesia.
>>
>> "And the money goes unwittingly from people's accounts and ends up going
>> into the LTTE's arms activities."
>
> Surely it must raise (hopefully very loud) alarm bells if a card is used
> in quick succession in two widely separated locations. As it is claimed
> that the PIN is captured, this implies that the fraud involves
> cardholder present transaction (or withdraw from ATMs) using a cloned
> magnetic stripe card. As the same card cannot legitimately be in two
> places at once or be moved too rapidly from one place to another, should
> this type of fraud not be easier to detect than CNP frauds?

It would make life difficult if, for example, you filled your car up in
Leeds, jumped on a couple of planes and then used your card to get some
cash in Bombay twelve hours later...

And yes, it is possible, just...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

On Apr 21, 2:20 pm, "Gio" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Runge1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > Incredible the number of people who think they just must post news
> > articles they haven't written themselves !!!
> > Not a comment, which would be OT anyway, not a mind for themselves,
> > crosspost is preferable, and let us compete between evleth (the mother of
> > all spammers), martin, michaelnewport aka crapman, morrow and a few
> > others.
> > What drives these people to act like that?
> > Old age ?
> > Sense of uselessness ?
> > No one to tell them they are brave and beautiful ?
>
> > "Tom Bradbury" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> > [email protected]...
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6578595.stm
>
> >> Thousands of motorists who use a bank card to buy petrol are thought to
> >> have lost millions of pounds in a scam allegedly linked to Tamil rebels.
>
> I agree with you, the link would say it all. Having said that top posting is
> not viewed as polite on newsgroups, so as in life, no one is perfect ;-)

The link is there to prove the validity of the article
I prefer to have both, then I can read it without opening another
window.
But I never reply to scRunge because he is worthless.

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

"Graham Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Tom Bradbury" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Maxwell Keegel, first secretary of the Sri Lankan High Commission in
>> London,
>> said: "They extract the pin and details from the cards and within minutes
>> this information is sent to LTTE agents who operate in remote parts of
>> the
>> world, as far away as Thailand and Indonesia.
>>
>> "And the money goes unwittingly from people's accounts and ends up going
>> into the LTTE's arms activities."
>
> Surely it must raise (hopefully very loud) alarm bells if a card is used
> in quick succession in two widely separated locations. As it is claimed
> that the PIN is captured, this implies that the fraud involves
> cardholder present transaction (or withdraw from ATMs) using a cloned
> magnetic stripe card. As the same card cannot legitimately be in two
> places at once or be moved too rapidly from one place to another, should
> this type of fraud not be easier to detect than CNP frauds?

I have had credit card transactions questioned by my 'Goldfish' credit card
company before now because I have used it to fill up on route from and to
Scotland to the south of England, so for whatever reason either my account
was being watched or the locations where purchases were made. It was not as
though a tank fill up was a large amount.

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Graham Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Tom Bradbury" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> Maxwell Keegel, first secretary of the Sri Lankan High Commission in
>>> London,
>>> said: "They extract the pin and details from the cards and within
>>> minutes
>>> this information is sent to LTTE agents who operate in remote parts of
>>> the
>>> world, as far away as Thailand and Indonesia.
>>>
>>> "And the money goes unwittingly from people's accounts and ends up going
>>> into the LTTE's arms activities."
>>
>> Surely it must raise (hopefully very loud) alarm bells if a card is used
>> in quick succession in two widely separated locations. As it is claimed
>> that the PIN is captured, this implies that the fraud involves
>> cardholder present transaction (or withdraw from ATMs) using a cloned
>> magnetic stripe card. As the same card cannot legitimately be in two
>> places at once or be moved too rapidly from one place to another, should
>> this type of fraud not be easier to detect than CNP frauds?
>
> It would make life difficult if, for example, you filled your car up in
> Leeds, jumped on a couple of planes and then used your card to get some
> cash in Bombay twelve hours later...
>
> And yes, it is possible, just...

My friend had a transaction on his bounced for
being in a second country less than an hour later!

But I do think that it should be possible to pick up
odd transactions in Asia, very few people go back
and forth that far every 2 days

tim

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

Runge1 wrote:
> Incredible the number of people who think they just must post news
> articles they haven't written themselves !!!
> Not a comment, which would be OT anyway, not a mind for themselves,
> crosspost is preferable, and let us compete between evleth (the
> mother of all spammers), martin, michaelnewport aka crapman, morrow
> and a few others. What drives these people to act like that?
> Old age ?
> Sense of uselessness ?
> No one to tell them they are brave and beautiful ?

And who rocked your boat you miserable old fart ? :-)
>

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

The Siri Lankans are running petrol stations in Europe?

Tom Bradbury wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6578595.stm
>
> Thousands of motorists who use a bank card to buy petrol are thought to have
> lost millions of pounds in a scam allegedly linked to Tamil rebels.
>
> It is believed cards are being skimmed at petrol stations, whereby the card
> details and pin numbers are retrieved and money withdrawn from the account.
>
> About 200 of the UK's 9,500 petrol stations are thought to have been hit.
>
> The Sri Lankan government has claimed its opponents, the Tamil Tigers, are
> behind the scam.
>
> Police are investigating complaints made in Edinburgh, Norwich, Bury St
> Edmunds, Peterborough, Nottingham, Leeds, Bristol and Hull.
>
> In Hull, the economic crime section of Humberside Police are checking
> thousands of receipts for fuel bought with credit or debit cards at one
> petrol station.
>
> Detective Inspector Paul Welton, of Humberside Police, said "Quite clearly
> this was well-organised and it was done on an international basis."
>
> Those alleged to have been involved were able to obtain card details and pin
> numbers and put them together to clone the cards, police said.
>
> The site in Hull is now under new management, and the new owners are not
> linked to the police inquiry.
>
> Sean Gillespie, one of thousands of possible victims, noticed his bank
> account was being emptied of small amounts over weeks, amounting to
> thousands of pounds.
>
> "I knew how much had been taken but how it was taken was an absolute mystery
> to me," he told BBC News.
>
> 'Arms funding'
>
> Most of the UK's petrol stations are independently run which means they are
> susceptible to being infiltrated by organised crime.
>
> And the Sri Lankan Government believes it is the Tamil Tigers who are using
> threats to coerce innocent Sri Lankans to take part in the scam.
>
> They say Tamil asylum seekers arriving in the UK are loaned money to open a
> petrol station, and once established they supply information to the
> Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE).
>
> Maxwell Keegel, first secretary of the Sri Lankan High Commission in London,
> said: "They extract the pin and details from the cards and within minutes
> this information is sent to LTTE agents who operate in remote parts of the
> world, as far away as Thailand and Indonesia.
>
> "And the money goes unwittingly from people's accounts and ends up going
> into the LTTE's arms activities."
>
> The petrol industry accepts it is a problem.
>
> Some retailers have already replaced all their chip and pin machines, while
> some consumers are only using cash to buy petrol.
>
> Nick Vandervell, of the UK Petroleum Industry Association, said "We are
> working with the independent retailers but it is difficult to tell them what
> to do."
>
>

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

Make credence recognised that on Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:50:03 +0100,
Graham Murray <[email protected]> has scripted:

>"Tom Bradbury" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Maxwell Keegel, first secretary of the Sri Lankan High Commission in London,
>> said: "They extract the pin and details from the cards and within minutes
>> this information is sent to LTTE agents who operate in remote parts of the
>> world, as far away as Thailand and Indonesia.
>>
>> "And the money goes unwittingly from people's accounts and ends up going
>> into the LTTE's arms activities."
>
>Surely it must raise (hopefully very loud) alarm bells if a card is used
>in quick succession in two widely separated locations. As it is claimed
>that the PIN is captured, this implies that the fraud involves
>cardholder present transaction (or withdraw from ATMs) using a cloned
>magnetic stripe card. As the same card cannot legitimately be in two
>places at once or be moved too rapidly from one place to another, should
>this type of fraud not be easier to detect than CNP frauds?

Lloyds TSB cancelled one of my credit card when I flew into Hong Kong.
They could have called me before doing this, but they didn't.

When I finally got through to them, they said the process to
reactivate the card could take a few days.

Great, so you can **** it up easily, but you can't un**** it without a
great effort. I changed banks after that.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--

Re: Michaelnewport the NG nuisance
 

You never reply to anyone and if I had to read a comment some day by
michaelnewport, I would quickly go scrub my eyes with soap !!
No fear, michaelnewport has strictly nothing to say, whether on topic or out
of topic.
Anyone can verify that.
To prove he exists, he pollutes with articles and viruses.



"sLuGhUnTeR" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]. com...
On Apr 21, 2:20 pm, "Gio" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Runge1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > Incredible the number of people who think they just must post news
> > articles they haven't written themselves !!!
> > Not a comment, which would be OT anyway, not a mind for themselves,
> > crosspost is preferable, and let us compete between evleth (the mother
> > of
> > all spammers), martin, michaelnewport aka crapman, morrow and a few
> > others.
> > What drives these people to act like that?
> > Old age ?
> > Sense of uselessness ?
> > No one to tell them they are brave and beautiful ?
>
> > "Tom Bradbury" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> > [email protected]...
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6578595.stm
>
> >> Thousands of motorists who use a bank card to buy petrol are thought to
> >> have lost millions of pounds in a scam allegedly linked to Tamil
> >> rebels.
>
> I agree with you, the link would say it all. Having said that top posting
> is
> not viewed as polite on newsgroups, so as in life, no one is perfect ;-)

The link is there to prove the validity of the article
I prefer to have both, then I can read it without opening another
window.
But I never reply to scRunge because he is worthless.

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

LOL
GO BACK TO SLEEP.
WHEN I WHISTLE, YOU JUST RUN OUT OF UNDER THE BED.

"Tommy" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> Runge1 wrote:
>> Incredible the number of people who think they just must post news
>> articles they haven't written themselves !!!
>> Not a comment, which would be OT anyway, not a mind for themselves,
>> crosspost is preferable, and let us compete between evleth (the
>> mother of all spammers), martin, michaelnewport aka crapman, morrow
>> and a few others. What drives these people to act like that?
>> Old age ?
>> Sense of uselessness ?
>> No one to tell them they are brave and beautiful ?
>
> And who rocked your boat you miserable old fart ? :-)
>>
>
>

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

"Graham Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Tom Bradbury" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Maxwell Keegel, first secretary of the Sri Lankan High Commission in
>> London,
>> said: "They extract the pin and details from the cards and within minutes
>> this information is sent to LTTE agents who operate in remote parts of
>> the
>> world, as far away as Thailand and Indonesia.
>>
>> "And the money goes unwittingly from people's accounts and ends up going
>> into the LTTE's arms activities."
>
> Surely it must raise (hopefully very loud) alarm bells if a card is used
> in quick succession in two widely separated locations.

Unless they are daft enough to use the cards immediately, that probably
won't flag up as suspicious on many cards and, if it does, it will be a
toss-up as to whether a real transaction or a fraudlent one trips the flag.
In any case, given enough cards, losing a few to suspicious transactions
won't matter much.

> As it is claimed
> that the PIN is captured, this implies that the fraud involves
> cardholder present transaction

Except that two of my online customers appear to have had their cards cloned
as part of this. Fortunately for them, one did not work and the other looked
wrong, so I investigated it in more depth, decided to refuse the sale and
wrote to the customers about it - the only reliable information being the
cardholder's address. In those cases, the cards were used from London.

Colin Bignell

Re: Motorists hit by card clone scam
 

> The Siri Lankans are running petrol stations in Europe?
>

What's wrong with that? Pakistanis have been running corner shops here for
years.