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    > Then Saint Mary

And Jews who introduced here the catholic religion ;)

DK wrote:
    > LOT tickets for our recent Chicago-Vienna trip were hundred-and-some $$
    > less than comparable United and Lufthansa. After some deliberations,
    > we decided to give this post-Communist company a benefit of doubt.
    > BIG MISTAKE.
    >
    > - 75 min long line to just check in in O'Hare.
    > - 1 hour long security check line in Warsaw. Rude and very invasive
    > search, too.

This is not the airline, it's ground handling.

T.

In article <zJxOe.9041$137.4723@trnddc08>, Kaczor Donald <[email protected]> wrote:
    >x-no-archive: yes
    >DK wrote:
    >> LOT tickets for our recent Chicago-Vienna trip were hundred-and-some $$
    >> less than comparable United and Lufthansa. After some deliberations,
    >> we decided to give this post-Communist company a benefit of doubt.
    >> BIG MISTAKE.
    >>
    >> - 75 min long line to just check in in O'Hare.
    >> - 1 hour long security check line in Warsaw. Rude and very invasive
    >> search, too.
    >What does it have to do with LOT itself?

The fact that it's a good idea to avoid Warsaw (and hence LOT)
and that it's probably indicative of the overall Polish service.

DK

"Tom Peel" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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    > DK wrote:
    >> LOT tickets for our recent Chicago-Vienna trip were hundred-and-some $$
    >> less than comparable United and Lufthansa. After some deliberations, we
    >> decided to give this post-Communist company a benefit of doubt. BIG
    >> MISTAKE. - 75 min long line to just check in in O'Hare.
    >> - 1 hour long security check line in Warsaw. Rude and very invasive
    >> search, too.
    > This is not the airline, it's ground handling.
----------------------------
As for the check in no doubt the airline is responsible as they either do
that service themselves or , more likely for a foreign airport, they're
buying the service from a ground service company.
As for security it's many times possible for the airlines to buy a special
better service for their passengers. Many times a such service is available
for passengers in business class.
Don't know if that's possible in Warsaw though.

I went with LOT twice - new airplanes, but crew a little bit rough.
Okecie airport in Warsaw is really small - it has only some 10 gates

Kaczor Donald Wrote:
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > Miguel Cruz wrote:-
    > Casey [email protected] wrote:
    > -
    > I traveled on Lufthansa and LOT in May, and my LOT flight
    > was much more pleasant than my Lufthansa flight.-
    >
    >
    > Feeding your own intestines into a wood chopper is more pleasant than
    > a
    > Lufthansa flight.
    > -
    >
    > Exactly, paranoic Uebermenschen.


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In article <[email protected]>, Andrzej Adam Filip <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Gianni Rondinini <[email protected]> writes:
    >> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:44:01 GMT, [email protected] (DK)
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >- 75 min long line to just check in in O'Hare.
    >>
    >> that's the same it took in las vegas mccarran 6 days ago, when we were
    >> checking in with american west airlines. 75+ minutes.
    >> please, add the fact that we weren't allowed to lock our luggage

Just give locks to the security guys - they do the job and then lock
the suitcase. Works all the time.

    >> --funny and pleasant thing--.
    >> and, once more, it took *90* minutes to check in in san francisco when
    >> leaving to london, with british airways.
    >> only 20 minutes for *fast bag drop* in london to italy --no real
    >> check-in: only baggage drop--.
    >So long checks in are not "LOT specific" in USA airports?

I always fly from O'Hare and I have never had to wait more than
20-30 min (except for EL AL which was another horrendous
experience). Obviously shit happens and for some reason or
another every company may have a problem once in a while
but when I asked Polish guy sitting next to me if these lines are
typical, he said that he flies twice a year and there are *always*
lines like this. I contend that *no* American airline *always*
has mile-long queues.

BTW, the flight Vienna-Warsaw was OK - despite it's being
operated by LOT. If I don't count lost baggage, that it.

DK

In rec.travel.usa-canada "Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> much unheard of outside the US. It has recently been introduced in
    >> some parts of Western Europe such as UK, France, and Germany, but they
    >> are still having noticeable trouble with it. Europeans have been
    >> killing each other for thousands of years, they're not going to start
    >> having a "how may I be of service to you" attitude overnight.
    > Your arse was introduced recently. However, I was horrified that someone had
    > to stand 75 minutes in the check-in queue. 75 MINUTES!!!! That's horrendous.
    > How can anyone stand standing 75 MINUTES in queue is a mystery to me. I
    > would file a full report to the Polish government, the Commission of the EU,
    > the Russian military and naturally the UN general assembly. I am certain
    > human rights have been violated in most vicious ways. It must have been
    > nothíng but most evil act of torture. 75 MINUTES!!?

I've stood close to this in a line at Baltimore for a Southwest Flight.

Julie

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Jaze wrote:

    > Europeans have been
    > killing each other for thousands of years, they're not going to start
    > having a "how may I be of service to you" attitude overnight.

And Americans lived in peace together for thousands of years, to develop
what you call "customer service"?

On 22/08/2005, DK wrote:

    > In brief, LOT Airlines seems to be run by a buch of incompetent
    > morons. Stay away from it if you can.

This hasn't been my experience at all. I'd rate LOT as better than BA
but worse than, say, Emirates.

I also recently flew with their low cost spinoff centralwings, and they
seemed OK by low-cost standards, certainly better than ryanair.

WAW is being upgraded at the moment, with extensive building work, and
is a tad chaotic as a result.

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    > FINNAIR, Aerlingus, Ryanair and JAL also were OK to me.

I agree about Finnair. Finnair's flight attendants were some of the
friendliest ones I have met.

Casey

[email protected] (DK) writes:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Andrzej Adam Filip <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >Gianni Rondinini <[email protected]> writes:
    > >
    > >> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:44:01 GMT, [email protected] (DK)
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >- 75 min long line to just check in in O'Hare.
    > >>
    > >> that's the same it took in las vegas mccarran 6 days ago, when we were
    > >> checking in with american west airlines. 75+ minutes.
    > >> please, add the fact that we weren't allowed to lock our luggage
    >
    > Just give locks to the security guys - they do the job and then lock
    > the suitcase. Works all the time.
    >
    > >> --funny and pleasant thing--.
    > >> and, once more, it took *90* minutes to check in in san francisco when
    > >> leaving to london, with british airways.
    > >> only 20 minutes for *fast bag drop* in london to italy --no real
    > >> check-in: only baggage drop--.
    > >
    > >So long checks in are not "LOT specific" in USA airports, are they?
    >
    > I always fly from O'Hare and I have never had to wait more than
    > 20-30 min (except for EL AL which was another horrendous
    > experience). Obviously shit happens and for some reason or
    > another every company may have a problem once in a while
    > but when I asked Polish guy sitting next to me if these lines are
    > typical, he said that he flies twice a year and there are *always*
    > lines like this. I contend that *no* American airline *always*
    > has mile-long queues.
    >
    > BTW, the flight Vienna-Warsaw was OK - despite it's being
    > operated by LOT. If I don't count lost baggage, that it.

Your mileage may vary :-)

As you wrote yourself you had choosen LOT because the price was
competitive on this particular route [Chicago-(Warsaw-)Vienna]. It is up
to you to decide if the savings were worth "the extras" using *YOUR*
standards [I was not there].

Nobody can force you to choose LOT next time. You may try more costly
alternatives if you wish. As you read in the thread some people have
aquired "anonimosities" to other airlines too.

Next time you may write "hate post" [strong "do not use" recomendation]
about another airline ;-)

P.S. I hope that your experience was not typicall and LOT no longer
translates into (I hope ancient) "a Lot Of Troubles" for many customers.

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Lennart Petersen wrote:
    > "Cidebur" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected] k.net...
    >
    >>Lennart Petersen wrote:
    >>>Anyway as most airlines in Star-Alliance are high quality airlines like
    >>>LH,SAS,Singapore and others the could be reason to question if LOT is
    >>>worth to be included in STAR assuming the report from DK is true. And
    >>>having some experience from Poland I've reason to believe that LOT may
    >>>have problems.
    >>I hope, You'll not decide about it.
    >>From www.staralliance.com if You want to read.
    >> wk
    >>LOT Polish Airlines, LOT Polish Airlines is a joint stock company
    >>established on December 29, 1992, as a result of transforming the state
    >>owned company of the same name. Until the end of the year 1999 one hundred
    >>per cent of shares in the Company's capital was owned by the State
    >>Treasury. As a result of the Company's privatisation in November 1999, the
    >>Swiss holding SAirGroup acquired part of LOT Polish Airlines shares.
    >
    > So what are you talking about.
    > Obviously LOT is an independent airline fully responsible for its service.
    > STAR-alliance is a an alliance for cooperation not being a shareholder for
    > the participating airlines.
    >
    >

Except when they have to invest in a member to keep the connections flowing.

Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:

    > Gianni Rondinini <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >
    >>On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:44:01 GMT, [email protected] (DK)
    >>wrote:
    >>>- 75 min long line to just check in in O'Hare.
    >>that's the same it took in las vegas mccarran 6 days ago, when we were
    >>checking in with american west airlines. 75+ minutes.
    >>please, add the fact that we weren't allowed to lock our luggage
    >>--funny and pleasant thing--.
    >>and, once more, it took *90* minutes to check in in san francisco when
    >>leaving to london, with british airways.
    >>only 20 minutes for *fast bag drop* in london to italy --no real
    >>check-in: only baggage drop--.
    >
    >
    > So long checks in are not "LOT specific" in USA airports?
    >


They are indicative of airlines with problems who have inadequate
staffing levels for the service demands.

My worst checkin experience in recent memory was trying to get out of
Vienna one morning. Lufthansa I think was the culprit. Vienna was
worse than Cairo.

All checkin comments are separate from security check rants please.

Andrzej Adam Filip <[email protected]> a écrit le mar., 23 août 2005
09:07:29 GMT:

    > Is STAR-alliance capable to kick off misbehaving members?


It would be rather like "invitation to quit".

    > STAR-aliace is *somehow* responsible for every of its members. They are
    > *AT LEAST* responsible for removing substandard airlines from the
    > aliance.

Star alliance position on Eastern Europe is extremely strong: Lufthansa +
Swiss + LOT + Austrian.

By comparison, Skyteam has Air France + KLM + CSA (+ Aeroflot), but that
doesn't match quite the huge STAR network there! And LOT turning to STAR
has led to AF ending the codeshare agreement on Paris-Warsaw and Paris-
Krakow :-( now there's only Skyeurope on the route... I won't count Wizz
since they fly to Beauvais, the French middle-of-nowhere airport.

Oneworld can just rely on BA (Finnair isn't really helpful).

Star could "drop" LOT and keep supremacy over Eastern Europe. I suspect
they'll keep it, though - LOT isn't really strong enough to survive on
its own, even with the high-yield routes to Canada and the US.

By the way, they still haven't decided which plane to buy...

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Kaczor Donald <[email protected]> a écrit le mar., 23 août 2005 04:36:47
GMT:

    >> - 1 hour long security check line in Warsaw. Rude and very invasive
    >> search, too.
    >
    > What does it have to do with LOT itself?

I remember the search in Krakow airport in 1990 just before boarding a
LOT Tupolev-134... I was deterred from bringing scissors inside because I
could have "cut the curtains" :-)))

It was a MEMORABLE flight, for I was invited in the deck and had a glance
through the glass nose... Man I miss those Tupolevs, so elegant planes!
OK they were noisy and uncomfortable... but so stylish!

I also flew LOT Antonov 24s and Tu-154s. Always fantastic experience!

The Boeing 737 from Paris to Krakow in 1999 was somewhat boring in
comparison... but the service was very good, and vodka better than on Air
France!


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