Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 16:01:10 -0400,
Viking <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Fri, 11 May 2007 21:59:19 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>>No, I also don't think he's a bastard.
>>
>>Viking, I hate to tell you this, but I am a total bastard. Folks have
>>plenty of good reasons not to like me here!
>
>Well, now, I can't believe that.

You make me feel forgived. Now I don't know what to say!
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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 22:12:23 +0200, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:

>Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>> Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 14:01:00 -0400,
>> Viking <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>
>> >On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:55:29 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> >_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >
>> >>Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:44:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> >>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >> Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I didn't think he was fat?
>> >>>
>> >>> Looks very trim to me, judging from the photos on his web site.
>> >>
>> >><woosh>
>> >
>> >No, I also don't think he's a bastard.
>>
>> Viking, I hate to tell you this, but I am a total bastard. Folks have
>> plenty of good reasons not to like me here!
>
>See - I *told* you he's a bastard!

and he is proud of it!
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Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:13:38 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:14 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Martin wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
>> >leg room.
>> >>
>> >> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
>> >> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
>> >> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
>> >> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
>> >> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
>> >> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>> >
>> >I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
>> >An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
>> >put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
>> >is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
>>
>> It's why I suggested taxing anybody, who appeared to be travelling in comfort.
>> Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
>> :-)
>>
>> It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of the
>> 1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM flight from New
>> York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think the seat pitch must have
>> been even less than the current amount.
>
>What's your leg length? (More relevant than height for this, probably.)

Inside or out? Hip to knee is the critical length.
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Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:13:38 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> >> It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of
> >> the 1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM
> >> flight from New York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think
> >> the seat pitch must have been even less than the current amount.
> >
> >What's your leg length? (More relevant than height for this, probably.)
>
> Inside or out? Hip to knee is the critical length.

What's that then?

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:33:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
>>
>> Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
>> hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
>
>Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
>understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
>single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
>rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
>slice the rush hour traffic.

Mainly because people don't all work exactly the same hours or hasn't flexitime
arrived in the UK yet?
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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:44:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Martin wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
>> > leg room.
>> > >
>> > > That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went
>> > > with Air Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I
>> > > went I paid $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a
>> > > more comfortable flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat
>> > > had been, and it was three hours late leaving. The next time I flew
>> > > with Air Canada and had a comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>> >
>> > I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
>> > An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
>> > put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
>> > is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
>>
>> Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
>
>I didn't think he was fat?

5'2 and weighs 100kg. Big boned?
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Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:33:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
> >>
> >> Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
> >> hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
> >
> >Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
> >understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
> >single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
> >rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
> >slice the rush hour traffic.
>
> Mainly because people don't all work exactly the same hours or hasn't
> flexitime arrived in the UK yet?

I don't know- I'm self-employed. I imagine that a large number of
people work similar hours here- certainly enough to car pool.

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:44:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Martin wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
> >> > leg room.
> >> > >
> >> > > That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went
> >> > > with Air Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I
> >> > > went I paid $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a
> >> > > more comfortable flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat
> >> > > had been, and it was three hours late leaving. The next time I flew
> >> > > with Air Canada and had a comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
> >> >
> >> > I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
> >> > An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
> >> > put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
> >> > is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
> >>
> >> Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
> >
> >I didn't think he was fat?
>
> 5'2 and weighs 100kg. Big boned?

Who is that?

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 23:17:40 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:13:38 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> >> It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of
>> >> the 1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM
>> >> flight from New York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think
>> >> the seat pitch must have been even less than the current amount.
>> >
>> >What's your leg length? (More relevant than height for this, probably.)
>>
>> Inside or out? Hip to knee is the critical length.
>
>What's that then?

About an inch less than they provide in 32" seat pitch :-(
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Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 23:23:04 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:33:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
>> >>
>> >> Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
>> >> hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
>> >
>> >Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
>> >understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
>> >single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
>> >rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
>> >slice the rush hour traffic.
>>
>> Mainly because people don't all work exactly the same hours or hasn't
>> flexitime arrived in the UK yet?
>
>I don't know- I'm self-employed. I imagine that a large number of
>people work similar hours here- certainly enough to car pool.

If you see the number of cars parked in car pool parks in NL, it's totally
insignificant compared to the amount of traffic, like wise the number of
passengers carried in buses in reserved motorway lanes.

They've spent years paying for studies for a tram route from Gouda to the Dutch
coast via Leiden. It's totally impractical, just as it was when they got rid of
trams 50 years ago. Having failed to get support in a referendum and essential
funding, they now admit they can achieve the same thing for a fraction of the
cost with high speed buses.
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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:50:36 -0400, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>Martin wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:33:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
>>>>
>>>>Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
>>>>hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
>>>
>>>Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
>>>understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
>>>single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
>>>rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
>>>slice the rush hour traffic.
>>
>>
>> Mainly because people don't all work exactly the same hours or hasn't flexitime
>> arrived in the UK yet?
>
>I have often thought it amusing that flextime which is intended to
>reduce traffic tends to promote individual drivers.

... and spread the traffic load. Most people driving to and from work already
were individual drivers. Flexitime has odd effects. Far less traffic on Mondays
and Fridays than other working days for example.
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Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Martin wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:33:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
>>>>
>>>>Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
>>>>hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
>>>
>>>Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
>>>understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
>>>single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
>>>rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
>>>slice the rush hour traffic.
>>
>>
>> Mainly because people don't all work exactly the same hours or hasn't
>> flexitime
>> arrived in the UK yet?
>
> I have often thought it amusing that flextime which is intended to reduce
> traffic tends to promote individual drivers.
>
I guess it reduces in peak hours rather than the total volume.
But now if you can agree to share a car you can probably also agree about
the departure time ?

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Lennart Petersen <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Martin wrote:
[]
> >> Mainly because people don't all work exactly the same hours or hasn't
> >> flexitime
> >> arrived in the UK yet?
> >
> > I have often thought it amusing that flextime which is intended to reduce
> > traffic tends to promote individual drivers.
> >
> I guess it reduces in peak hours rather than the total volume.
> But now if you can agree to share a car you can probably also agree about
> the departure time ?

Good point.

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

If you are the fat bastard I sat next to last week,
then thanks for using half of my seat and making my flight a bloody misery.
Go on a diet, the way you ate the meal was disgusting, food dribbling down
your chin and all.
JohnH



"Jordi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> On 11 mayo, 13:18, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
>> > leg room.
>> > --
>>
>> > Martin
>>
>> At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
>> might have been Virgin.
>
> Budget airline Vueling does that too. Vueling XL is how they're
> promoting it, but they charge just 10 euro (was 5 euro for a short
> while). Not only emergency exits, but bulkhead seats also.
>
>
> J.
>

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Sat, 12 May 2007 01:24:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Lennart Petersen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> >
>> > Martin wrote:
>[]
>> >> Mainly because people don't all work exactly the same hours or hasn't
>> >> flexitime
>> >> arrived in the UK yet?
>> >
>> > I have often thought it amusing that flextime which is intended to reduce
>> > traffic tends to promote individual drivers.
>> >
>> I guess it reduces in peak hours rather than the total volume.
>> But now if you can agree to share a car you can probably also agree about
>> the departure time ?
>
>Good point.

Only if both departure times are fixed every working day.
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Martin