Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:42:24 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Martin:
>
>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>
>Would you have a practical solution, then? What can they do?
>- refuse to let you through while you have those items in possession
>- confiscate them and give you a receipt...they should return the items
>(unless illegal items like weapons you're not entitled to carry, but then
>they would have to arrest you) upon request when you return.

Two bins one labeled

" I donate this to <the charity that Schiphol refuses to hand over confiscated
goods too>

the other labeled

"Arriving passengers help yourselves"

>Come to think of it: in 1985, when I visited Russia, I wasn't allowed to
>bring Russian money back with me. So, I had to empty my wallet and give
>them my rubles. I still have the receipt.
>If I returned within 10 years, they would give me the money upon showing
>the receipt.
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On 11 May 2007 14:39:27 GMT, Bert Hyman <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] (Martin) wrote in
>news:[email protected] :
>
>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>
>I suppose (with nothing to back that up) you could simply take your
>contraband and leave, missing your flight.

There is a row going on between a charity that receives confiscated goods from
Belgium airports, but not from Schiphol, and Schiphol which claims they destroy
everything confiscated.
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:47:07 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:42:24 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Martin:
>>
>>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>>
>>Would you have a practical solution, then? What can they do?
>>- refuse to let you through while you have those items in possession
>>- confiscate them and give you a receipt...they should return the items
>>(unless illegal items like weapons you're not entitled to carry, but then
>>they would have to arrest you) upon request when you return.
>
>Two bins one labeled
>
>" I donate this to <the charity that Schiphol refuses to hand over confiscated
>goods too>
>
>the other labeled
>
>"Arriving passengers help yourselves"
>
>>Come to think of it: in 1985, when I visited Russia, I wasn't allowed to
>>bring Russian money back with me. So, I had to empty my wallet and give
>>them my rubles. I still have the receipt.
>>If I returned within 10 years, they would give me the money upon showing
>>the receipt.

When KLM makes the seats cheaper for 'clowns', you must be a very
lucky man, Martin!

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

[email protected]lid (Martin) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
> boarding with forbidden items but ...

Maybe they could just call it a "Stupidity Tax", collectible at the
checkpoint.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email protected]

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:25:45 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 11 May 2007 04:18:52 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
>>At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
>>might have been Virgin.
>
>A surcharge for those with short legs, who travel in comfort next?

*laugh*

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin wrote:
>
> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.

That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
$300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
comfortable flight that flew on schedule.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On 11 mayo, 13:18, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
> > --
>
> > Martin
>
> At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
> might have been Virgin.

Budget airline Vueling does that too. Vueling XL is how they're
promoting it, but they charge just 10 euro (was 5 euro for a short
while). Not only emergency exits, but bulkhead seats also.


J.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

"Dave Smith" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestissä:[email protected]...
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg
>> room.
>
> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with
> Air
> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more
> comfortable
> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
Tomorrow Canadian hockey players have a cosy ride back home from Moscow
then.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ps.com...
> On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg
>> room.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>
> At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
> might have been Virgin.
>

Yep, forty quid each way...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

> Martin wrote:
> >
> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
leg room.
>
> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.

I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:14 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Martin wrote:
>> >
>> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
>leg room.
>>
>> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
>> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
>> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
>> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
>> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
>> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
>I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
>An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
>put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
>is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.

It's why I suggested taxing anybody, who appeared to be travelling in comfort.
Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
:-)

It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of the
1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM flight from New
York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think the seat pitch must have
been even less than the current amount.
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:14 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Martin wrote:
> >> >
> >> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
> >leg room.
> >>
> >> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> >> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> >> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> >> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> >> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> >> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
> >
> >I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
> >An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
> >put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
> >is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
>
> It's why I suggested taxing anybody, who appeared to be travelling in comfort.
> Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
> :-)
>
> It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of the
> 1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM flight from New
> York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think the seat pitch must have
> been even less than the current amount.

What's your leg length? (More relevant than height for this, probably.)

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.

Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Viking <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
>
> Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
> hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.

Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
slice the rush hour traffic.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
> leg room.
> >
> > That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> > Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> > $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> > flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> > three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> > comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
> I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
> An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
> put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
> is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.

Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)

B;


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