KLM and emergency exit seats
 

KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
> --
>
> Martin

At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
might have been Virgin.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On 11 May 2007 04:18:52 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>
>At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
>might have been Virgin.

A surcharge for those with short legs, who travel in comfort next?
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On 11 mei, 12:16, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.

I'll charge them for acting as potential evacuation assistant, then.

B;

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 11 May 2007 04:18:52 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> >At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
> >might have been Virgin.
>
> A surcharge for those with short legs, who travel in comfort next?

I hope not!

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 14:09:57 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 11 May 2007 04:18:52 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> >At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
>> >might have been Virgin.
>>
>> A surcharge for those with short legs, who travel in comfort next?
>
>I hope not!

I have a better idea that will be a real money earner, rows of seats with
minimum spacing, just too small for the small to sit comfortably and an extra
couple of seats in each row. If this is a success, then KLM will introduce
double decker rows for the vertically challenged. 10 Euro coin metres will be
fitted to all toilet doors.

There are tentative plans to transfer up to 4 million passengers a year from
Schiphol to Lelystadt Airport. Enjoy changing flights :-)
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On 11 May 2007 05:11:56 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On 11 mei, 12:16, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
>
>I'll charge them for acting as potential evacuation assistant, then.

Do you know how much the throw away windows weigh?
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin:

> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.

While I consider 50 euros a bit steep, I think it's not really
unreasonable to charge more for additional space.

--
Erick
[1m97, 36" inseam, so one of the victims]

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 15:59:44 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Martin:
>
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
>
>While I consider 50 euros a bit steep, I think it's not really
>unreasonable to charge more for additional space.

We are already charged for less space.
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin:
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 15:59:44 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Martin:
> >
> >> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
> >
> >While I consider 50 euros a bit steep, I think it's not really
> >unreasonable to charge more for additional space.
>
> We are already charged for less space.

I didn't claim that such measure (pun intended) was reasonable.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:07:37 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Martin:
>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 15:59:44 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Martin:
>> >
>> >> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
>> >
>> >While I consider 50 euros a bit steep, I think it's not really
>> >unreasonable to charge more for additional space.
>>
>> We are already charged for less space.
>
>I didn't claim that such measure (pun intended) was reasonable.

Charges will be introduced for guaranteeing not to put your "see through body
scan" pictures on utube.com
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin:

> Charges will be introduced for guaranteeing not to put your "see
> through body scan" pictures on utube.com

Who owns the rights to those pictures, anyway?

--
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B&B Ardane - http://bed-and-breakfast.ardane.com/
[Currently sunny, 28C, hardly any wind]

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:20:10 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Martin:
>
>> Charges will be introduced for guaranteeing not to put your "see
>> through body scan" pictures on utube.com
>
>Who owns the rights to those pictures, anyway?

A good question. Some scope for making money with advertising slogans using zinc
dust?
Another good question is what legal right do security have to confiscate and
keep property? They have a legal right to stop you boarding with forbidden items
but ...
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

[email protected]lid (Martin) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
> boarding with forbidden items but ...

I suppose (with nothing to back that up) you could simply take your
contraband and leave, missing your flight.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email protected]

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin:

> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
> boarding with forbidden items but ...

Would you have a practical solution, then? What can they do?
- refuse to let you through while you have those items in possession
- confiscate them and give you a receipt...they should return the items
(unless illegal items like weapons you're not entitled to carry, but then
they would have to arrest you) upon request when you return.

Come to think of it: in 1985, when I visited Russia, I wasn't allowed to
bring Russian money back with me. So, I had to empty my wallet and give
them my rubles. I still have the receipt.
If I returned within 10 years, they would give me the money upon showing
the receipt.


--
Erick

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:42:24 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Martin:
>
>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>
>Would you have a practical solution, then? What can they do?
>- refuse to let you through while you have those items in possession
>- confiscate them and give you a receipt...they should return the items
>(unless illegal items like weapons you're not entitled to carry, but then
>they would have to arrest you) upon request when you return.

Two bins one labeled

" I donate this to <the charity that Schiphol refuses to hand over confiscated
goods too>

the other labeled

"Arriving passengers help yourselves"

>Come to think of it: in 1985, when I visited Russia, I wasn't allowed to
>bring Russian money back with me. So, I had to empty my wallet and give
>them my rubles. I still have the receipt.
>If I returned within 10 years, they would give me the money upon showing
>the receipt.
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On 11 May 2007 14:39:27 GMT, Bert Hyman <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] (Martin) wrote in
>news:[email protected] :
>
>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>
>I suppose (with nothing to back that up) you could simply take your
>contraband and leave, missing your flight.

There is a row going on between a charity that receives confiscated goods from
Belgium airports, but not from Schiphol, and Schiphol which claims they destroy
everything confiscated.
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:47:07 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:42:24 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Martin:
>>
>>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>>
>>Would you have a practical solution, then? What can they do?
>>- refuse to let you through while you have those items in possession
>>- confiscate them and give you a receipt...they should return the items
>>(unless illegal items like weapons you're not entitled to carry, but then
>>they would have to arrest you) upon request when you return.
>
>Two bins one labeled
>
>" I donate this to <the charity that Schiphol refuses to hand over confiscated
>goods too>
>
>the other labeled
>
>"Arriving passengers help yourselves"
>
>>Come to think of it: in 1985, when I visited Russia, I wasn't allowed to
>>bring Russian money back with me. So, I had to empty my wallet and give
>>them my rubles. I still have the receipt.
>>If I returned within 10 years, they would give me the money upon showing
>>the receipt.

When KLM makes the seats cheaper for 'clowns', you must be a very
lucky man, Martin!

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

[email protected]lid (Martin) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
> boarding with forbidden items but ...

Maybe they could just call it a "Stupidity Tax", collectible at the
checkpoint.

--
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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:25:45 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 11 May 2007 04:18:52 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
>>At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
>>might have been Virgin.
>
>A surcharge for those with short legs, who travel in comfort next?

*laugh*

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin wrote:
>
> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.

That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
$300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
comfortable flight that flew on schedule.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On 11 mayo, 13:18, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
> > --
>
> > Martin
>
> At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
> might have been Virgin.

Budget airline Vueling does that too. Vueling XL is how they're
promoting it, but they charge just 10 euro (was 5 euro for a short
while). Not only emergency exits, but bulkhead seats also.


J.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

"Dave Smith" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestissä:[email protected]...
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg
>> room.
>
> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with
> Air
> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more
> comfortable
> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
Tomorrow Canadian hockey players have a cosy ride back home from Moscow
then.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ps.com...
> On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg
>> room.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>
> At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
> might have been Virgin.
>

Yep, forty quid each way...

--
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

> Martin wrote:
> >
> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
leg room.
>
> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.

I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:14 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Martin wrote:
>> >
>> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
>leg room.
>>
>> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
>> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
>> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
>> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
>> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
>> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
>I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
>An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
>put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
>is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.

It's why I suggested taxing anybody, who appeared to be travelling in comfort.
Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
:-)

It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of the
1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM flight from New
York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think the seat pitch must have
been even less than the current amount.
--

Martin

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:14 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Martin wrote:
> >> >
> >> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
> >leg room.
> >>
> >> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> >> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> >> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> >> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> >> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> >> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
> >
> >I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
> >An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
> >put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
> >is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
>
> It's why I suggested taxing anybody, who appeared to be travelling in comfort.
> Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
> :-)
>
> It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of the
> 1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM flight from New
> York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think the seat pitch must have
> been even less than the current amount.

What's your leg length? (More relevant than height for this, probably.)

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.

Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Viking <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
>
> Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
> hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.

Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
slice the rush hour traffic.

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
> leg room.
> >
> > That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> > Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> > $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> > flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> > three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> > comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
> I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
> An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
> put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
> is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.

Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)

B;


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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:

> Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
> >
> > Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
> > hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
>
> Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
> understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
> single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
> rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
> slice the rush hour traffic.

Seems a good idea till you try it. I once carpool'ed with a woman who
started playing cassettes of Xmas music in mid November, and spent half
the trip putting on her make-up, whether she was driving or not :-(

Van-pooling was good though - and gave a perfect excuse to leave at 5 on
the dot.

B;


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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:

> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Martin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
> > leg room.
> > >
> > > That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went
> > > with Air Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I
> > > went I paid $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a
> > > more comfortable flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat
> > > had been, and it was three hours late leaving. The next time I flew
> > > with Air Canada and had a comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
> >
> > I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
> > An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
> > put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
> > is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
>
> Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)

I didn't think he was fat?

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:

> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
> > >
> > > Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
> > > hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
> >
> > Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
> > understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
> > single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
> > rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
> > slice the rush hour traffic.
>
> Seems a good idea till you try it. I once carpool'ed with a woman who
> started playing cassettes of Xmas music in mid November, and spent half
> the trip putting on her make-up, whether she was driving or not :-(

You should have car pooled with The Reid!

> Van-pooling was good though - and gave a perfect excuse to leave at 5 on
> the dot.

A 4-person car pool is probably the best, in terms of controlling
behaviour!

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:44:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
>
>I didn't think he was fat?

Looks very trim to me, judging from the photos on his web site.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Viking <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:44:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
> >
> >I didn't think he was fat?
>
> Looks very trim to me, judging from the photos on his web site.

<woosh>

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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:55:29 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:44:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
>> >
>> >I didn't think he was fat?
>>
>> Looks very trim to me, judging from the photos on his web site.
>
><woosh>

No, I also don't think he's a bastard.

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Viking <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:55:29 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:44:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
> >> >
> >> >I didn't think he was fat?
> >>
> >> Looks very trim to me, judging from the photos on his web site.
> >
> ><woosh>
>
> No, I also don't think he's a bastard.

Good for you. Anyway, that's enough for me on the subject. Bye.

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Re: martin the cretin
 

martin in full spam

"Jacqueline" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:47:07 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:42:24 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Martin:
>>>
>>>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>>>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>>>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>>>
>>>Would you have a practical solution, then? What can they do?
>>>- refuse to let you through while you have those items in possession
>>>- confiscate them and give you a receipt...they should return the items
>>>(unless illegal items like weapons you're not entitled to carry, but then
>>>they would have to arrest you) upon request when you return.
>>
>>Two bins one labeled
>>
>>" I donate this to <the charity that Schiphol refuses to hand over
>>confiscated
>>goods too>
>>
>>the other labeled
>>
>>"Arriving passengers help yourselves"
>>
>>>Come to think of it: in 1985, when I visited Russia, I wasn't allowed to
>>>bring Russian money back with me. So, I had to empty my wallet and give
>>>them my rubles. I still have the receipt.
>>>If I returned within 10 years, they would give me the money upon showing
>>>the receipt.
>
> When KLM makes the seats cheaper for 'clowns', you must be a very
> lucky man, Martin!

Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 18:44:46 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) has scripted:

>Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Martin wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
>> > leg room.
>> > >
>> > > That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went
>> > > with Air Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I
>> > > went I paid $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a
>> > > more comfortable flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat
>> > > had been, and it was three hours late leaving. The next time I flew
>> > > with Air Canada and had a comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>> >
>> > I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
>> > An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
>> > put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
>> > is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
>>
>> Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
>
>I didn't think he was fat?

He's not fat, he's just BIG! I saw a photo of me the other day with a
few Italians, and my shoulders are about 50% wider than theirs, and
I'm taller than any of them.

At least in the bog I'm about average.
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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
 

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 11 May 2007 14:01:00 -0400,
Viking <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:55:29 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:44:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
>>> >
>>> >I didn't think he was fat?
>>>
>>> Looks very trim to me, judging from the photos on his web site.
>>
>><woosh>
>
>No, I also don't think he's a bastard.

Viking, I hate to tell you this, but I am a total bastard. Folks have
plenty of good reasons not to like me here!
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