Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:17:41 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
[]
> An ex-colleague has a Rolex clone that he bought for a fiver in a market
> in A'dam around 1985 that still looks like it is made of gold and still
> keeps more accurate time than the real thing.

I bought a fake in Bangkok, and it fell apart within 6 months. He's
lucky!

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:21:36 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:15:19 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Indeed. I wore a 3 (or was it 4?) quid Primark shirt when I went to
>> >Buckingham Palace recently, and it was great. It washed really well too.
>> >Yesterday, a group of youngish Italian women passed me on the street in
>> >Manchester, and they all had Primark bags stuffed full of clothes!
>>
>> Bloody foreign shoplifters!
>
>They had the largest arses I've seen in tight jeans for a long time. I
>wouldn't have commented on it, except some local lass (with a group)
>pinched mine a few moments before! (I was waiting on the street while
>HWMBO as buying something in a shop.)

Those bloody foreign shoplifters will pinch anything

We used to reckon there was enough heat and pressure to make diamonds in some of
the jeans women wore in Rome.
--

Martin

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:22:54 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:17:41 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
>[]
>> An ex-colleague has a Rolex clone that he bought for a fiver in a market
>> in A'dam around 1985 that still looks like it is made of gold and still
>> keeps more accurate time than the real thing.
>
>I bought a fake in Bangkok, and it fell apart within 6 months. He's
>lucky!

My brother bought a fake Omega with a problem for a real price from the Red
Cross charity shop in Hungerford. Luckily I told him it was almost certainly a
fake, otherwise he would have paid somebody to fix it. The woman who sold it to
him refused to give him a refund. He had to contact Red Cross HQ before she
would give him a refund.
--

Martin

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:22:54 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:17:41 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
> >[]
> >> An ex-colleague has a Rolex clone that he bought for a fiver in a market
> >> in A'dam around 1985 that still looks like it is made of gold and still
> >> keeps more accurate time than the real thing.
> >
> >I bought a fake in Bangkok, and it fell apart within 6 months. He's
> >lucky!
>
> My brother bought a fake Omega with a problem for a real price from the Red
> Cross charity shop in Hungerford.

I've a student from there, who was born after the shootings. What
interests me (but I think relieves him) is how many younger people don't
have any association with the name!

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:31:53 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:22:54 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:17:41 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> An ex-colleague has a Rolex clone that he bought for a fiver in a market
>> >> in A'dam around 1985 that still looks like it is made of gold and still
>> >> keeps more accurate time than the real thing.
>> >
>> >I bought a fake in Bangkok, and it fell apart within 6 months. He's
>> >lucky!
>>
>> My brother bought a fake Omega with a problem for a real price from the Red
>> Cross charity shop in Hungerford.
>
>I've a student from there, who was born after the shootings. What
>interests me (but I think relieves him) is how many younger people don't
>have any association with the name!

It's wall to wall antique & charity shops in my mind and sharing a hospital
ward, when I was a kid, with three men who had been knocked down crossing the
road when pissed on consecutive Saturday nights.
--

Martin

"David Horne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:17:41 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne)
>> wrote:
> []
>> An ex-colleague has a Rolex clone that he bought for a fiver in a market
>> in A'dam around 1985 that still looks like it is made of gold and still
>> keeps more accurate time than the real thing.
>
> I bought a fake in Bangkok, and it fell apart within 6 months. He's
> lucky!

There are several different qualities of fake Rolex watches.

They range from cheap copies that are the wrong colour and don't have the
proper winder to expensive automatics with decent hallmarks on the 'gold'
case and a sweep hand that is as smooth as the real thing.

Get a good one and it's almost as good as the real thing, get a bad one and
it'll fall to bits in a week...


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black <[email protected]> wrote:

> "David Horne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1i234sc.sz2s2hpkiv5cN%[email protected]...
> > Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:17:41 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne)
> >> wrote:
> > []
> >> An ex-colleague has a Rolex clone that he bought for a fiver in a market
> >> in A'dam around 1985 that still looks like it is made of gold and still
> >> keeps more accurate time than the real thing.
> >
> > I bought a fake in Bangkok, and it fell apart within 6 months. He's
> > lucky!
>
> There are several different qualities of fake Rolex watches.
>
> They range from cheap copies that are the wrong colour and don't have the
> proper winder to expensive automatics with decent hallmarks on the 'gold'
> case and a sweep hand that is as smooth as the real thing.
>
> Get a good one and it's almost as good as the real thing, get a bad one and
> it'll fall to bits in a week...

I paid a couple of quid for mine. Tell me what grade _you_think it was!


--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

"David Horne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "David Horne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:1i234sc.sz2s2hpkiv5cN%[email protected]...
>> > Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:17:41 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne)
>> >> wrote:
>> > []
>> >> An ex-colleague has a Rolex clone that he bought for a fiver in a
>> >> market
>> >> in A'dam around 1985 that still looks like it is made of gold and
>> >> still
>> >> keeps more accurate time than the real thing.
>> >
>> > I bought a fake in Bangkok, and it fell apart within 6 months. He's
>> > lucky!
>>
>> There are several different qualities of fake Rolex watches.
>>
>> They range from cheap copies that are the wrong colour and don't have the
>> proper winder to expensive automatics with decent hallmarks on the 'gold'
>> case and a sweep hand that is as smooth as the real thing.
>>
>> Get a good one and it's almost as good as the real thing, get a bad one
>> and
>> it'll fall to bits in a week...
>
> I paid a couple of quid for mine. Tell me what grade _you_think it was!
>

No idea, I'm not an expert.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"David Horne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1i234dx.58cugn1eyup7oN%[email protected]...
>B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:20:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >The shirts I bought in an expensive shop in Milan were probably the
>> >poorest
>> >quality I have bought anywhere.
>>
>> I have also found the quality of clothes made in Italy to be a bit
>> substandard at times. My husband bought a rather expensive shirt whose
>> colors ran the first time it was washed (by hand in lukewarm water). I
>> wanted him to return it, but he refused. He said you couldn't return
>> something after you've worn it. With attitudes like that, there's
>> nothing to prevent clothing manufacturers from fobbing off substandard
>> goods on the customers.
>
> Indeed. I wore a 3 (or was it 4?) quid Primark shirt when I went to
> Buckingham Palace recently, and it was great. It washed really well too.
> Yesterday, a group of youngish Italian women passed me on the street in
> Manchester, and they all had Primark bags stuffed full of clothes!
>


Unfortunately, it is almost certainly the case that a shirt which costs so
little has been made in a sweatshop in Bangladesh or some other equally
impoverished Country
--

JohnT

JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:

> "David Horne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1i234dx.58cugn1eyup7oN%[email protected]...
> >B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:20:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The shirts I bought in an expensive shop in Milan were probably the
> >> >poorest
> >> >quality I have bought anywhere.
> >>
> >> I have also found the quality of clothes made in Italy to be a bit
> >> substandard at times. My husband bought a rather expensive shirt whose
> >> colors ran the first time it was washed (by hand in lukewarm water). I
> >> wanted him to return it, but he refused. He said you couldn't return
> >> something after you've worn it. With attitudes like that, there's
> >> nothing to prevent clothing manufacturers from fobbing off substandard
> >> goods on the customers.
> >
> > Indeed. I wore a 3 (or was it 4?) quid Primark shirt when I went to
> > Buckingham Palace recently, and it was great. It washed really well too.
> > Yesterday, a group of youngish Italian women passed me on the street in
> > Manchester, and they all had Primark bags stuffed full of clothes!
> >
>
>
> Unfortunately, it is almost certainly the case that a shirt which costs so
> little has been made in a sweatshop in Bangladesh or some other equally
> impoverished Country

Indeed, but it's also the case with a lot of expensive designer ware!

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:19:03 +0100, "JohnT"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Unfortunately, it is almost certainly the case that a shirt which costs so
>little has been made in a sweatshop in Bangladesh or some other equally
>impoverished Country

Why is that unfortunate? Would you rather the money goes into the
pocket of a relatively very, very rich Italian?

Jim.

"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Jul 30, 5:36 am, "William Black" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Ciao Cara! wrote:
>>> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/ma...=BUIZGRNAJD2M5...
>>>
>>> >> Clothes system gives Italy a touch of class
>>>
>>> >> By Martin Harper
>>> >> Last Updated: 12:01am BST 25/07/2007
>>>
>>> >> Mentor for Italy
>>> >> Italy Messageboard
>>>
>>> >> The man in front of me had the deepest tan I have seen this summer.
>>>
>>> >> He was wearing an expensive linen jacket over a shocking pink shirt,
>>> >> which fell open to reveal a hairy chest, gold chains and dangling
>>> >> "Superfly" sunglasses.
>>>
>>> >> An equally loud tie was casually knotted about 12 inches below the
>>> >> neck and both hands were decked with bracelets and rings.
>>>
>>> > This isnt any indication of smartness or taste but rather herd
>>> > mentality and people throwing their money on a bunch of expensive
>>> > crap. Ive delt with this juvinile shit in school, I dont care to in my
>>> > adult life.
>>>
>>> So you've never been to Italy then...
>>>
>>> Actually it sounds like you have a contempt for cultures not your own.
>>>
>>
>> This is hardly 'culture', it's just a way for a bunch of assholes to
>> boost their ego at the expense of others.
>> Culture is art, music, and traditions. This is high school cliques
>> taken to the next level.
>>
>
> So you are a resident of the United States...
>
> Thought so.
>
>
Pot kettle black. You are dissing the US version of culture just as bad as
previous posters are dissing this supposed facet of Italian culture.

Stuff like this is stupid BS no matter what country it is in, US, Italy,
wherever. Rational people have contempt for nonsense no matter where the
nonsense is practiced, and no matter where they live. The fashion industry
serves no useful purpose other than seperating sheep from their
money.(Unless, of course, you happen to make a living from making,
distributing, or selling said fashions.) Clothing design should be based on
function, durability, and comfort.

aem sends...

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:12:51 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:05:50 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:58:22 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:44:41 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:28:44 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
... > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ... >
... > ... > ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:39:59 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... >On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:06:50 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
... > ... > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ... > ... >
... > ... > ... > ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:20:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... >The shirts I bought in an expensive shop in Milan were probably the poorest
... > ... > ... > ... >quality I have bought anywhere.
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... I have also found the quality of clothes made in Italy to be a bit
... > ... > ... > ... substandard at times. My husband bought a rather expensive shirt whose
... > ... > ... >
... > ... > ... >Does the shirt have name, address & social security number?
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... My dear, I know what you're trying to say, but that rule is absolutely
... > ... > ... antiquated.
... > ... >
... > ... >So what? Are we going to set the pyramids on fire because they are old, too?
... > ...
... > ... I have a book that says you should always wear white gloves when you
... > ... go out to lunch, but I think I can safely ignore that one.
... > ...
... > ... >You made a mistake. Live with it.
... > ...
... > ... I didn't make a mistake; I know the stupid old rule very well.
... >
... >It shows.
...
... Yahboo! Go to bed.

Done.

On Jul 30, 2:09 pm, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected] ps.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 5:36 am, "William Black" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:[email protected] groups.com...
>
> >> > Ciao Cara! wrote:
> >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/ma...=BUIZGRNAJD2M5...
>
> >> >> Clothes system gives Italy a touch of class
>
> >> >> By Martin Harper
> >> >> Last Updated: 12:01am BST 25/07/2007
>
> >> >> Mentor for Italy
> >> >> Italy Messageboard
>
> >> >> The man in front of me had the deepest tan I have seen this summer.
>
> >> >> He was wearing an expensive linen jacket over a shocking pink shirt,
> >> >> which fell open to reveal a hairy chest, gold chains and dangling
> >> >> "Superfly" sunglasses.
>
> >> >> An equally loud tie was casually knotted about 12 inches below the
> >> >> neck and both hands were decked with bracelets and rings.
>
> >> > This isnt any indication of smartness or taste but rather herd
> >> > mentality and people throwing their money on a bunch of expensive
> >> > crap. Ive delt with this juvinile shit in school, I dont care to in my
> >> > adult life.
>
> >> So you've never been to Italy then...
>
> >> Actually it sounds like you have a contempt for cultures not your own.
>
> > This is hardly 'culture', it's just a way for a bunch of assholes to
> > boost their ego at the expense of others.
> > Culture is art, music, and traditions. This is high school cliques
> > taken to the next level.
>
> So you are a resident of the United States...
>
> Thought so.
>

You know, there is more to the United States than Bu$h and rednecks.
A whole lot more.
And yes, we have the same shit going on here, but it's mostly confined
to the schools and
some of the elite.

On Jul 30, 10:01 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Jul 30, 2:09 pm, "William Black" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected] ups.com...
>
> > > On Jul 30, 5:36 am, "William Black" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:[email protected] groups.com...
>
> > >> > Ciao Cara! wrote:
> > >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/ma...=BUIZGRNAJD2M5...
>
> > >> >> Clothes system gives Italy a touch of class
>
> > >> >> By Martin Harper
> > >> >> Last Updated: 12:01am BST 25/07/2007
>
> > >> >> Mentor for Italy
> > >> >> Italy Messageboard
>
> > >> >> The man in front of me had the deepest tan I have seen this summer.
>
> > >> >> He was wearing an expensive linen jacket over a shocking pink shirt,
> > >> >> which fell open to reveal a hairy chest, gold chains and dangling
> > >> >> "Superfly" sunglasses.
>
> > >> >> An equally loud tie was casually knotted about 12 inches below the
> > >> >> neck and both hands were decked with bracelets and rings.
>
> > >> > This isnt any indication of smartness or taste but rather herd
> > >> > mentality and people throwing their money on a bunch of expensive
> > >> > crap. Ive delt with this juvinile shit in school, I dont care to in my
> > >> > adult life.
>
> > >> So you've never been to Italy then...
>
> > >> Actually it sounds like you have a contempt for cultures not your own.
>
> > > This is hardly 'culture', it's just a way for a bunch of assholes to
> > > boost their ego at the expense of others.
> > > Culture is art, music, and traditions. This is high school cliques
> > > taken to the next level.
>
> > So you are a resident of the United States...
>
> > Thought so.
>
> You know, there is more to the United States than Bu$h and rednecks.
> A whole lot more.
> And yes, we have the same shit going on here, but it's mostly confined
> to the schools and
> some of the elite.

and of course clubbers.