On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:49:47 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>
>Ciao Cara! wrote:
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/ma...an-fashion.xml
>>
>> Clothes system gives Italy a touch of class
>>
> This isnt any indication of smartness or taste but rather herd
>mentality and people throwing their money on a bunch of expensive
>crap. Ive delt with this juvinile shit in school, I dont care to in my
>adult life.

Bravo.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:36:44 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> This isnt any indication of smartness or taste but rather herd
>> mentality and people throwing their money on a bunch of expensive
>> crap. Ive delt with this juvinile shit in school, I dont care to in my
>> adult life.
>
>So you've never been to Italy then...
>
>Actually it sounds like you have a contempt for cultures not your own.
>
>You wouldn't live in the USA by any chance would you?

Aren't you the guy who sneered at cultures that didn't appreciate
public drunkenness and vomiting in the street?
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:36:44 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> This isnt any indication of smartness or taste but rather herd
>>> mentality and people throwing their money on a bunch of expensive
>>> crap. Ive delt with this juvinile shit in school, I dont care to in my
>>> adult life.
>>
>>So you've never been to Italy then...
>>
>>Actually it sounds like you have a contempt for cultures not your own.
>>
>>You wouldn't live in the USA by any chance would you?
>
> Aren't you the guy who sneered at cultures that didn't appreciate
> public drunkenness and vomiting in the street?

No.

I'm the guy who knows that cultures vary from place to place and that
people need to be tolerant of them...

But in certain cases I'm prepared to make exceptions...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:06:50 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:20:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >The shirts I bought in an expensive shop in Milan were probably the poorest
... >quality I have bought anywhere.
...
... I have also found the quality of clothes made in Italy to be a bit
... substandard at times. My husband bought a rather expensive shirt whose

Does the shirt have name, address & social security number?

... colors ran the first time it was washed (by hand in lukewarm water). I
... wanted him to return it, but he refused. He said you couldn't return
... something after you've worn it. With attitudes like that, there's
... nothing to prevent clothing manufacturers from fobbing off substandard
... goods on the customers.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:06:49 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:03:26 +0100, The Reid
... <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >Following up to Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... >>> It's only a few empty-headed people in
... >>>Italy[*] who judge other people's worth by their wardrobe.
... >>
... >>
... >>[*] Replace Italy with the country of your choice.
... >
... >to be honest, of the countries I've been to, Italy seems *very*
... >conscious of dress. I reckon its much more common there that a lot of
... >countries. That's my impression.
...
... There are some very elegant and fashion-concious people in Italy. (The
... two things are quite different.) Much more so in the cities than in
... the countryside. Where I live, I sometimes see people out shopping in
... their bathrobe and slippers and many people buy all their clothes at
... the weekly market.

When I was living in Perugia I would see women wearing skirts, stilettos and fur coats
shopping for meat & fruit/veg at the street market. Granted, it was a very long time
ago...

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:58:48 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:36:44 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> This isnt any indication of smartness or taste but rather herd
>>>> mentality and people throwing their money on a bunch of expensive
>>>> crap. Ive delt with this juvinile shit in school, I dont care to in my
>>>> adult life.
>>>
>>>So you've never been to Italy then...
>>>
>>>Actually it sounds like you have a contempt for cultures not your own.
>>>
>>>You wouldn't live in the USA by any chance would you?
>>
>> Aren't you the guy who sneered at cultures that didn't appreciate
>> public drunkenness and vomiting in the street?
>
>No.
>
>I'm the guy who knows that cultures vary from place to place and that
>people need to be tolerant of them...

There's no reason to be tolerant of a superficial and silly analysis
of Italian culture written by an non-Italian author.

>But in certain cases I'm prepared to make exceptions...

Yes, tolerance can be taken to extremes.

--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:39:59 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:06:50 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:20:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >The shirts I bought in an expensive shop in Milan were probably the poorest
> ... >quality I have bought anywhere.
> ...
> ... I have also found the quality of clothes made in Italy to be a bit
> ... substandard at times. My husband bought a rather expensive shirt whose
>
>Does the shirt have name, address & social security number?

Are you confusing the man with his clothes?
--

Martin

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:41:17 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:06:49 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:03:26 +0100, The Reid
> ... <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >Following up to Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... >
> ... >>> It's only a few empty-headed people in
> ... >>>Italy[*] who judge other people's worth by their wardrobe.
> ... >>
> ... >>
> ... >>[*] Replace Italy with the country of your choice.
> ... >
> ... >to be honest, of the countries I've been to, Italy seems *very*
> ... >conscious of dress. I reckon its much more common there that a lot of
> ... >countries. That's my impression.
> ...
> ... There are some very elegant and fashion-concious people in Italy. (The
> ... two things are quite different.) Much more so in the cities than in
> ... the countryside. Where I live, I sometimes see people out shopping in
> ... their bathrobe and slippers and many people buy all their clothes at
> ... the weekly market.
>
>When I was living in Perugia I would see women wearing skirts, stilettos and fur coats
>shopping for meat & fruit/veg at the street market. Granted, it was a very long time
>ago...

35 years ago I recall seeing women dressed in a similar manner, but without
anything under the fur coats soliciting on the hard shoulder of the autostrada
near Rome.
--

Martin

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:47:50 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:39:59 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:06:50 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:20:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >The shirts I bought in an expensive shop in Milan were probably the poorest
... > ... >quality I have bought anywhere.
... > ...
... > ... I have also found the quality of clothes made in Italy to be a bit
... > ... substandard at times. My husband bought a rather expensive shirt whose
... >
... >Does the shirt have name, address & social security number?
...
... Are you confusing the man with his clothes?

Barbara certainly is.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:06:23 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:47:50 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:39:59 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:06:50 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
> ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... > ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:20:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... > ...
> ... > ... >The shirts I bought in an expensive shop in Milan were probably the poorest
> ... > ... >quality I have bought anywhere.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... I have also found the quality of clothes made in Italy to be a bit
> ... > ... substandard at times. My husband bought a rather expensive shirt whose
> ... >
> ... >Does the shirt have name, address & social security number?
> ...
> ... Are you confusing the man with his clothes?
>
>Barbara certainly is.

I'm sure Barbara knows the difference.
--

Martin

Following up to B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

>There's no reason to be tolerant of a superficial and silly analysis
>of Italian culture written by an non-Italian author.

hey, dont put yourself down so hard! :-)
--
Mike
(remove clothing to email)

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:39:59 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:06:50 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:20:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >The shirts I bought in an expensive shop in Milan were probably the poorest
> ... >quality I have bought anywhere.
> ...
> ... I have also found the quality of clothes made in Italy to be a bit
> ... substandard at times. My husband bought a rather expensive shirt whose
>
>Does the shirt have name, address & social security number?

My dear, I know what you're trying to say, but that rule is absolutely
antiquated.

see: http://tinyurl.com/2z5h7l at the bottom of the page.

I hate cumbersome constructions and accept any authority that
abolishes them. As Churchill said about ending a sentence with a
preposition, "That is a rule up with which I will not put."


>
> ... colors ran the first time it was washed (by hand in lukewarm water). I
> ... wanted him to return it, but he refused. He said you couldn't return
> ... something after you've worn it. With attitudes like that, there's
> ... nothing to prevent clothing manufacturers from fobbing off substandard
> ... goods on the customers.

--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:50:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>35 years ago I recall seeing women dressed in a similar manner, but without
>anything under the fur coats soliciting on the hard shoulder of the autostrada
>near Rome.

Global warming has put an end to that.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:28:45 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:50:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>35 years ago I recall seeing women dressed in a similar manner, but without
>>anything under the fur coats soliciting on the hard shoulder of the autostrada
>>near Rome.
>
>Global warming has put an end to that.

It was the police fining truckers for stopping on the hard shoulder that lost
them all their customers, not global warming.
--

Martin

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:28:44 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:39:59 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:06:50 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:20:22 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >The shirts I bought in an expensive shop in Milan were probably the poorest
... > ... >quality I have bought anywhere.
... > ...
... > ... I have also found the quality of clothes made in Italy to be a bit
... > ... substandard at times. My husband bought a rather expensive shirt whose
... >
... >Does the shirt have name, address & social security number?
...
... My dear, I know what you're trying to say, but that rule is absolutely
... antiquated.

So what? Are we going to set the pyramids on fire because they are old, too?

You made a mistake. Live with it.

... see: http://tinyurl.com/2z5h7l at the bottom of the page.
...
... I hate cumbersome constructions and accept any authority that
... abolishes them. As Churchill said about ending a sentence with a
... preposition, "That is a rule up with which I will not put."

The old dog didn't die a millisecond too soon.