-Martin

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:46:58 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:36:43 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ...
> ... Magda will be sending you a very tiny sweet by sea post...
>
>Huh? Is there a sea between Paris and Zuid Holland??

The sea of tranquility?
--

Martin

-Magda

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:50:58 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:46:58 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:36:43 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
... ><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ...
... > ... Magda will be sending you a very tiny sweet by sea post...
... >
... >Huh? Is there a sea between Paris and Zuid Holland??
...
... The sea of tranquility?

I asked Greg.

Gregory Morrow

Martin wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:46:58 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:36:43 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
> ><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked
like this:
> >
> > ...
> > ... Magda will be sending you a very tiny sweet by sea post...
> >
> >Huh? Is there a sea between Paris and Zuid Holland??
>
> The sea of tranquility?


If Mags sends you an orange - flavoured ice lolly let's hope it doesn't melt
on the way to you...

--
Best
Greg

-Martin

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:58:34 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:50:58 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:46:58 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:36:43 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
> ... ><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Magda will be sending you a very tiny sweet by sea post...
> ... >
> ... >Huh? Is there a sea between Paris and Zuid Holland??
> ...
> ... The sea of tranquility?

Veerse Meer?

>
>I asked Greg.

You asked the group.
--

Martin

Gregory Morrow

Martin wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:45:45 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:22:38 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin
<[email protected]>
> >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> >
> > ... On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:30:02 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> > ... <[email protected]> wrote:
> > ...
> > ... >Martin wrote:
> > ... >
> > ... >> I have travelled lots by air and recall being mainly upset by
adult
> > ... >behaviour on
> > ... >> planes. When somebody asks for help with a booking a child ticket
why does
> > ... >this
> > ... >> always lead to a rant about child passengers and few offers of
real help?
> > ... >
> > ... >Because children are basically sociopaths and their behaviour
cannot be
> > ... >controlled by force or reason...
> > ...
> > ... More likely that *some* of the single for ever posters are
sociopaths.
> >
> >Some posters are damn jealous of single posters, too.
>
> This one isn't. Each to his/her own.


More ammunition for Magda, Evelyn, and myself! :

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2007/0...n_flights.html

'People really don't like kids on planes'

Airline passengers don't like kids on flights. That much became apparent
after last month's report that AirTran booted a family off a Fort
Myers-Boston flight after the family's 3-year-old girl threw a temper
tantrum and refused to take her seat before takeoff.

"What happened next boggles the mind," writes Dan Schlossberg of
ConsumerAffairs.com. The incident touched off a nationwide discussion on the
subject, with the topic dominating the news from the Web to network TV. But
while there was discussion, there wasn't much debate -- nearly everyone came
down on the side of the airline. "AirTran got 14,000 calls and emails
endorsing their action," Schlossberg writes. "Fourteen-thousand! If George
W. Bush had won Florida by that many votes seven years ago, Al Gore
supporters could stop singing Hail to the Thief," he adds.

Political insinuations aside, Shlossberg's point is that fliers really,
really don't seem to like kids on flights. In fact, many seem downright
hostile to the idea of sharing their cabin space with someone else's
children. "The bottom line is that most airline passengers pack little
patience for little kids," Schlossberg writes. "Syndicated columnist Eileen
Ogintz, whose Taking the Kids column has a website of the same name, said
she received emails from passengers who wanted to ban all children under age
5," Schlossberg says. He also talked to Worcester Telegram writer Dianne
Williamson, who broke the story. She says she also heard from a large number
of readers -- mostly from those who agreed with AirTran's decision. "I guess
people really don't like kids on planes," she concedes.

</>

And from the "comments" section following the article:

"Vets will give you a sedative for you pet before a flight, why cant your
pediatrician do the same?

Posted by: Robert S. | Feb 26, 2007 11:51:07 AM "

-Martin

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:09:55 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Martin wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:45:45 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:22:38 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin
><[email protected]>
>> >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>> >
>> > ... On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:30:02 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> > ... <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > ...
>> > ... >Martin wrote:
>> > ... >
>> > ... >> I have travelled lots by air and recall being mainly upset by
>adult
>> > ... >behaviour on
>> > ... >> planes. When somebody asks for help with a booking a child ticket
>why does
>> > ... >this
>> > ... >> always lead to a rant about child passengers and few offers of
>real help?
>> > ... >
>> > ... >Because children are basically sociopaths and their behaviour
>cannot be
>> > ... >controlled by force or reason...
>> > ...
>> > ... More likely that *some* of the single for ever posters are
>sociopaths.
>> >
>> >Some posters are damn jealous of single posters, too.
>>
>> This one isn't. Each to his/her own.
>
>
>More ammunition for Magda, Evelyn, and myself! :
>
>http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2007/0...n_flights.html
>
>'People really don't like kids on planes'

USA Today prints rubbish.

Next witness.

Calling the Sun ...
--

Martin

The Reid

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:00:23 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> wimps, they should play it continuously! :-)
>
>Don't even suggest it! As it is, many modern performances
>of opera tend to ignore the traditional intermissions (aka
>"potty breaks") to the distress of many of their listeners'
>bladders!

I must say I'm not keen on sitting for hour after hour. I settle for
Siegfriegs funeral march , followed by the ROV overture, its a great
way to move from pre dawn dozy to "conquer that mountain" mode
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

-Martin

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:09:55 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"AirTran got 14,000 calls and emails
>endorsing their action,"

From psychopath child haters.

42,000,000 used Schiphol last year. 14,000 is hardly a significant number even
if the calls were really from passengers.
--

Martin

Deeply Filled Mortician

Let is be knownst that on Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:30:02 GMT, "Gregory
Morrow" <[email protected]> writted:

>
>Martin wrote:
>
>> I have travelled lots by air and recall being mainly upset by adult
>behaviour on
>> planes. When somebody asks for help with a booking a child ticket why does
>this
>> always lead to a rant about child passengers and few offers of real help?
>>
>
>
>Because children are basically sociopaths and their behaviour cannot be
>controlled by force or reason...

I dunno about that. Duct tape can be both forceful and reasonable.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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--

-Magda

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:09:55 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... More ammunition for Magda, Evelyn, and myself! :
...
... http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2007/0...n_flights.html
...
... 'People really don't like kids on planes'
...
... Airline passengers don't like kids on flights. That much became apparent
... after last month's report that AirTran booted a family off a Fort
... Myers-Boston flight after the family's 3-year-old girl threw a temper
... tantrum and refused to take her seat before takeoff.
...
... "What happened next boggles the mind," writes Dan Schlossberg of
... ConsumerAffairs.com. The incident touched off a nationwide discussion on the
... subject, with the topic dominating the news from the Web to network TV. But
... while there was discussion, there wasn't much debate -- nearly everyone came
... down on the side of the airline. "AirTran got 14,000 calls and emails
... endorsing their action," Schlossberg writes. "Fourteen-thousand!

I read about 50-60 pages of such messages. People against the airline's decision could be
counted in *one hand*!

If George
... W. Bush had won Florida by that many votes seven years ago, Al Gore
... supporters could stop singing Hail to the Thief," he adds.
...
... Political insinuations aside, Shlossberg's point is that fliers really,
... really don't seem to like kids on flights. In fact, many seem downright
... hostile to the idea of sharing their cabin space with someone else's
... children. "The bottom line is that most airline passengers pack little
... patience for little kids," Schlossberg writes. "Syndicated columnist Eileen
... Ogintz, whose Taking the Kids column has a website of the same name, said
... she received emails from passengers who wanted to ban all children under age
... 5," Schlossberg says. He also talked to Worcester Telegram writer Dianne
... Williamson, who broke the story. She says she also heard from a large number
... of readers -- mostly from those who agreed with AirTran's decision. "I guess
... people really don't like kids on planes," she concedes.
...
... </>
...
... And from the "comments" section following the article:
...
... "Vets will give you a sedative for you pet before a flight, why cant your
... pediatrician do the same?
...
... Posted by: Robert S. | Feb 26, 2007 11:51:07 AM "

-Martin

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:23:13 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Let is be knownst that on Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:30:02 GMT, "Gregory
>Morrow" <[email protected]> writted:
>
>>
>>Martin wrote:
>>
>>> I have travelled lots by air and recall being mainly upset by adult
>>behaviour on
>>> planes. When somebody asks for help with a booking a child ticket why does
>>this
>>> always lead to a rant about child passengers and few offers of real help?
>>>
>>
>>
>>Because children are basically sociopaths and their behaviour cannot be
>>controlled by force or reason...
>
>I dunno about that. Duct tape can be both forceful and reasonable.

and can be used as a contraceptive.
--

Martin

-Magda

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:03:00 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:58:34 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:50:58 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:46:58 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:36:43 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
... > ... ><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ... >
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... Magda will be sending you a very tiny sweet by sea post...
... > ... >
... > ... >Huh? Is there a sea between Paris and Zuid Holland??
... > ...
... > ... The sea of tranquility?
...
... Veerse Meer?
...
... >
... >I asked Greg.
...
... You asked the group.

No, I didn't.

The Reid

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:42:40 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> this is why I prefer to travel by car and ferry when I can, flying
>> stinks unless you are very wealthy.
>
>Believe me, if travel to Europe did not require a twelve
>hour flight across most of the North American continent plus
>the Atlantic Ocean, I would share your preference!

I might also disagree with myself if I had to drive from Seattle to LA
at 60mph. Fortunately (or by design) we go to places drivable in a day
+ ferry time.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

The Reid

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 20:29:09 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> if bad behavior on trains wasn't common, neither would I.
>
>Bad behaviour on trains isn't common, actually. I'll go out on a limb
>and say that I travel a heck of a lot more on trains than you do.

I commuted every day for 20+ years, remember. Much of your travel is
on the posh trains. Both Carol and I have witnessed plenty of bad
behavior on trains beyond the rush hour. A lot of blokey stuff from
"city gents" <cough> which doesnt really matter and nastier stuff from
lowlives who get on between central London and the outer suburbs. They
put on lots of PTP patrols for the reason. Just last week some poor
sod was thrown off a train by yobs.

Incidents on trains x, incidents in car 0.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

Gregory Morrow

Magda wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:09:55 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Gregory Morrow"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked
like this:
>
> ... More ammunition for Magda, Evelyn, and myself! :
> ...
> ... http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2007/0...n_flights.html
> ...
> ... 'People really don't like kids on planes'
> ...
> ... Airline passengers don't like kids on flights. That much became
apparent
> ... after last month's report that AirTran booted a family off a Fort
> ... Myers-Boston flight after the family's 3-year-old girl threw a temper
> ... tantrum and refused to take her seat before takeoff.
> ...
> ... "What happened next boggles the mind," writes Dan Schlossberg of
> ... ConsumerAffairs.com. The incident touched off a nationwide discussion
on the
> ... subject, with the topic dominating the news from the Web to network
TV. But
> ... while there was discussion, there wasn't much debate -- nearly
everyone came
> ... down on the side of the airline. "AirTran got 14,000 calls and emails
> ... endorsing their action," Schlossberg writes. "Fourteen-thousand!
>
> I read about 50-60 pages of such messages. People against the airline's
decision could be
> counted in *one hand*!


But Martin pointed out that AMS had __42 milliards__ of pax passing through
last year...

[...still another reason I like Mags - she's a *fast* reader :-) ]

--
Best
Greg