Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
Jul 21st 2007 | 1:47 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
On Jul 21, 9:10 pm, "aemeijers" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "NotABushSupporter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> news:[email protected]. ..
>
> > DVH wrote:
>
> >> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> wrote in message
> >>news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news.. .
>
> >>>Airlines argue that BAA, which is also facing an inquiry into whether
> >>>its monopoly of London's three airports should be broken, has already
> >>>made enough money to fund the required investment. BAA made profits of
> >>>£620m last year.
>
> >> Thanks in part to cluttering up its concourses with retail space.
> >> According to the website, there are eleven branches of Boots, four car
> >> outlets, a software retailer, a "free-standing futuristic hairdressing
> >> capsule", a bookmakers, three manicurists, thirteen WHSmiths and at least
> >> fifty cafés/restaurants.
>
> > Do you think BAA made over 600 million pounds from leasing space to the
> > establishments you just named?
>
> > Surely most of the money did not come from there. I doubt WHSmith is
> > paying millions of pounds per store in rent.
>
> Don't know about the specifics of the London airports, but retail frontage
> is a major cash cow stateside. Personally, I hate it. If I wanted to go to a
> damn mall, I'd go to a damn mall. I really hate it when the gates are
> further apart, for no apparent reason other than to make everyone walk down
> the rows of non-travel-related stores.
>
> If I was benign dictator of the world, airports would have a good selection
> of real-world-priced food, newstands, and maybe a few shops selling a small
> selection of things useful to people stuck on long and/or unexpected
> layovers. (barbers, shoe repair, Drugstore/walkin clinic,
> overnight-in-hotel-without- luggage kits, underwear and socks, unisex tee
> shirt/scrubs/jogging suits that you could wear on plane next day if previous
> days clothes were simply too nasty, and of course a gym bag to haul said
> nasty clothes home in.) And free wi-fi, of course- none of this
> 8-bucks-a-day nonsense.
>
> But they wouldn't be frigging malls.
Many major hub airports now make more money on stores than on flights,
so expect the trend of mallification of airports to continue.
> "NotABushSupporter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]. ..
>
> > DVH wrote:
>
> >> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> wrote in message
> >>news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news.. .
>
> >>>Airlines argue that BAA, which is also facing an inquiry into whether
> >>>its monopoly of London's three airports should be broken, has already
> >>>made enough money to fund the required investment. BAA made profits of
> >>>£620m last year.
>
> >> Thanks in part to cluttering up its concourses with retail space.
> >> According to the website, there are eleven branches of Boots, four car
> >> outlets, a software retailer, a "free-standing futuristic hairdressing
> >> capsule", a bookmakers, three manicurists, thirteen WHSmiths and at least
> >> fifty cafés/restaurants.
>
> > Do you think BAA made over 600 million pounds from leasing space to the
> > establishments you just named?
>
> > Surely most of the money did not come from there. I doubt WHSmith is
> > paying millions of pounds per store in rent.
>
> Don't know about the specifics of the London airports, but retail frontage
> is a major cash cow stateside. Personally, I hate it. If I wanted to go to a
> damn mall, I'd go to a damn mall. I really hate it when the gates are
> further apart, for no apparent reason other than to make everyone walk down
> the rows of non-travel-related stores.
>
> If I was benign dictator of the world, airports would have a good selection
> of real-world-priced food, newstands, and maybe a few shops selling a small
> selection of things useful to people stuck on long and/or unexpected
> layovers. (barbers, shoe repair, Drugstore/walkin clinic,
> overnight-in-hotel-without- luggage kits, underwear and socks, unisex tee
> shirt/scrubs/jogging suits that you could wear on plane next day if previous
> days clothes were simply too nasty, and of course a gym bag to haul said
> nasty clothes home in.) And free wi-fi, of course- none of this
> 8-bucks-a-day nonsense.
>
> But they wouldn't be frigging malls.
Many major hub airports now make more money on stores than on flights,
so expect the trend of mallification of airports to continue.
Jul 21st 2007 | 2:49 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:50:50 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>"Alan S" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:27:33 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
>>>news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news. ..
>>>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>>>>
>>>> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
>>>----------------
>>>Is it really possible to be
>>>A: The worldŽs least favourite airport
>>>and
>>>B: The worldŽs busiest international airport
>>>at the same time ??
>>>Sounds like a contradiction.
>>>
>> B leads to A. Similar at ORD, STL, JFK and LAX.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>O.k for that. Smaller airports have to my experience usually been better,
>less crowded and more efficient. A record for an international connection
>was a 5 min transfer incl. checked luggage at Sandefjord,Norway. It was
>the time to exit the plane walk through the terminal incl. security and to
>the departing gate.
>But my favourite was Brisbane with an indoor garden,large sofas and plenty
>of space.
>
My favourite was Christmas Island in the Indian Ocean in
September 1978. They graded the crabs (migration was
happening, you could set a Hitchcock movie there:-) off the
strip when our captain let them know his ETA; the terminal
was a tin shed. The health inspector came on board wearing a
white shirt with epaulettes but no insignia and sprayed the
plane before we got off. I was handling crew passports so I
asked where immigration was. He pointed to the tin shed so I
took all the documentation there. A few minutes later he
appeared wearing the epaulettes and Cap of a Customs Officer
and processed the manifest and crew passports and said he
also acted as the Immigration Officer, so he then moved to
the gate to check people as they passed through - except for
the VIPs.
We had been told that we were billeted in the private homes
of Police Officers and the Police were lending us a vehicle.
I asked where I could contact the Police and he disappeared
for a few minutes and reappeared in an Inspector's uniform.
I kid you not - and his name wasn't Peter Sellars:-) Later
he told me it was a pretty boring post so he did what he
could to make life more interesting - but every post he
filled was legitimate.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>"Alan S" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:27:33 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
>>>news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news. ..
>>>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>>>>
>>>> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
>>>----------------
>>>Is it really possible to be
>>>A: The worldŽs least favourite airport
>>>and
>>>B: The worldŽs busiest international airport
>>>at the same time ??
>>>Sounds like a contradiction.
>>>
>> B leads to A. Similar at ORD, STL, JFK and LAX.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>O.k for that. Smaller airports have to my experience usually been better,
>less crowded and more efficient. A record for an international connection
>was a 5 min transfer incl. checked luggage at Sandefjord,Norway. It was
>the time to exit the plane walk through the terminal incl. security and to
>the departing gate.
>But my favourite was Brisbane with an indoor garden,large sofas and plenty
>of space.
>
My favourite was Christmas Island in the Indian Ocean in
September 1978. They graded the crabs (migration was
happening, you could set a Hitchcock movie there:-) off the
strip when our captain let them know his ETA; the terminal
was a tin shed. The health inspector came on board wearing a
white shirt with epaulettes but no insignia and sprayed the
plane before we got off. I was handling crew passports so I
asked where immigration was. He pointed to the tin shed so I
took all the documentation there. A few minutes later he
appeared wearing the epaulettes and Cap of a Customs Officer
and processed the manifest and crew passports and said he
also acted as the Immigration Officer, so he then moved to
the gate to check people as they passed through - except for
the VIPs.
We had been told that we were billeted in the private homes
of Police Officers and the Police were lending us a vehicle.
I asked where I could contact the Police and he disappeared
for a few minutes and reappeared in an Inspector's uniform.
I kid you not - and his name wasn't Peter Sellars:-) Later
he told me it was a pretty boring post so he did what he
could to make life more interesting - but every post he
filled was legitimate.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
Jul 21st 2007 | 4:13 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Many major hub airports now make more money on stores than on flights,
>so expect the trend of mallification of airports to continue.
hmmm, wonder if they're purposely screwing up the flights now, so
people will shop more...
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When they discover the center of the universe,
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...Bernard Bailey
>Many major hub airports now make more money on stores than on flights,
>so expect the trend of mallification of airports to continue.
hmmm, wonder if they're purposely screwing up the flights now, so
people will shop more...
--
When they discover the center of the universe,
a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it.
...Bernard Bailey
Jul 21st 2007 | 4:17 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
In article <[email protected]>,
"aemeijers" <[email protected]> wrote:
> If I was benign dictator of the world, airports would have a
>
> free wi-fi, of course- none of this
> 8-bucks-a-day nonsense.
Look into a service called iPass -- access to innumerable WiFi hotspots
worldwide, for a very modest monthly subscription fee.
My university has it -- I've thus far gotten WiFi access in multiple
airports, hotels, public spaces, Starbucks's, MacDonalds's, big and
small train stations in U.S. and Europe, etc., using it.
"aemeijers" <[email protected]> wrote:
> If I was benign dictator of the world, airports would have a
>
> free wi-fi, of course- none of this
> 8-bucks-a-day nonsense.
Look into a service called iPass -- access to innumerable WiFi hotspots
worldwide, for a very modest monthly subscription fee.
My university has it -- I've thus far gotten WiFi access in multiple
airports, hotels, public spaces, Starbucks's, MacDonalds's, big and
small train stations in U.S. and Europe, etc., using it.
Jul 21st 2007 | 5:13 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
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>
>
> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news...
>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>>
>> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
> ----------------
> Is it really possible to be
> A: The worldŽs least favourite airport
> and
> B: The worldŽs busiest international airport
> at the same time ??
> Sounds like a contradiction.
If the airport logistics are streched to the limit, I could easily imagine
that services for passengers are not always that premium.
viestissä:[email protected]...
>
>
> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news...
>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>>
>> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
> ----------------
> Is it really possible to be
> A: The worldŽs least favourite airport
> and
> B: The worldŽs busiest international airport
> at the same time ??
> Sounds like a contradiction.
If the airport logistics are streched to the limit, I could easily imagine
that services for passengers are not always that premium.
Jul 21st 2007 | 5:44 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
In article <[email protected]>,
"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news...
> > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
> >
> > Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
> ----------------
> Is it really possible to be
> A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport
> and
> B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport
> at the same time ??
> Sounds like a contradiction.
It is a contradiction since Heathrow is no where near the
bussiest international airport. At least if you count
Atlanta and Chicago. Heathrow bounces around between
3rd and 5th in the list, if you count by number of
passengers. But due to a fluke where Heathrow handles
a lot of international flights, they tend to get a lot
of larger planes. So, if you count traffic by number
of airplane operations, Heathrow has a hard time making
it into the top 10. And this is a more modern development,
mostly since 9/11. In the 90's, Heathrow had a hard time
making the top ten even when counting by passengers. Since
then, they moved cargo away from Heathrow, and concentrated
passenger fights there. That gives the Brits fewer places
to focus their security.
The specific claim that Heathrow makes is that they handle
more international passengers than any other airport, which
is true. That is because Heathrow focuses on international
flights, and London has other flights for domestic flights.
But also consider that LAX has many domestic flights that
run on routes far longer than many of the international
flights that originate from Heathrow.
-john-
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================================================== ===================John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 [email protected]
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
================================================== ===================
"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news...
> > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
> >
> > Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
> ----------------
> Is it really possible to be
> A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport
> and
> B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport
> at the same time ??
> Sounds like a contradiction.
It is a contradiction since Heathrow is no where near the
bussiest international airport. At least if you count
Atlanta and Chicago. Heathrow bounces around between
3rd and 5th in the list, if you count by number of
passengers. But due to a fluke where Heathrow handles
a lot of international flights, they tend to get a lot
of larger planes. So, if you count traffic by number
of airplane operations, Heathrow has a hard time making
it into the top 10. And this is a more modern development,
mostly since 9/11. In the 90's, Heathrow had a hard time
making the top ten even when counting by passengers. Since
then, they moved cargo away from Heathrow, and concentrated
passenger fights there. That gives the Brits fewer places
to focus their security.
The specific claim that Heathrow makes is that they handle
more international passengers than any other airport, which
is true. That is because Heathrow focuses on international
flights, and London has other flights for domestic flights.
But also consider that LAX has many domestic flights that
run on routes far longer than many of the international
flights that originate from Heathrow.
-john-
--
================================================== ===================John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 [email protected]
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
================================================== ===================
Jul 21st 2007 | 8:19 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
On 22 Jul, 06:44, "John A. Weeks III" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
> >news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news...
> > >http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>
> > > Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
> > ----------------
> > Is it really possible to be
> > A: The world´s least favourite airport
> > and
> > B: The world´s busiest international airport
> > at the same time ??
> > Sounds like a contradiction.
>
> It is a contradiction since Heathrow is no where near the
> bussiest international airport. At least if you count
> Atlanta and Chicago. Heathrow bounces around between
> 3rd and 5th in the list, if you count by number of
> passengers. But due to a fluke where Heathrow handles
> a lot of international flights, they tend to get a lot
> of larger planes. So, if you count traffic by number
> of airplane operations, Heathrow has a hard time making
> it into the top 10. And this is a more modern development,
> mostly since 9/11. In the 90's, Heathrow had a hard time
> making the top ten even when counting by passengers. Since
> then, they moved cargo away from Heathrow, and concentrated
> passenger fights there. That gives the Brits fewer places
> to focus their security.
>
> The specific claim that Heathrow makes is that they handle
> more international passengers than any other airport, which
> is true. That is because Heathrow focuses on international
> flights, and London has other flights for domestic flights.
> But also consider that LAX has many domestic flights that
> run on routes far longer than many of the international
> flights that originate from Heathrow.
>
> -john-
>
> --
> ================================================== ===================> John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 [email protected]
> Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
> ================================================== ===================
we pay a shitload in airport taxes and get treated like animals,
I think thats the problem.
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
> >news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news...
> > >http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>
> > > Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
> > ----------------
> > Is it really possible to be
> > A: The world´s least favourite airport
> > and
> > B: The world´s busiest international airport
> > at the same time ??
> > Sounds like a contradiction.
>
> It is a contradiction since Heathrow is no where near the
> bussiest international airport. At least if you count
> Atlanta and Chicago. Heathrow bounces around between
> 3rd and 5th in the list, if you count by number of
> passengers. But due to a fluke where Heathrow handles
> a lot of international flights, they tend to get a lot
> of larger planes. So, if you count traffic by number
> of airplane operations, Heathrow has a hard time making
> it into the top 10. And this is a more modern development,
> mostly since 9/11. In the 90's, Heathrow had a hard time
> making the top ten even when counting by passengers. Since
> then, they moved cargo away from Heathrow, and concentrated
> passenger fights there. That gives the Brits fewer places
> to focus their security.
>
> The specific claim that Heathrow makes is that they handle
> more international passengers than any other airport, which
> is true. That is because Heathrow focuses on international
> flights, and London has other flights for domestic flights.
> But also consider that LAX has many domestic flights that
> run on routes far longer than many of the international
> flights that originate from Heathrow.
>
> -john-
>
> --
> ================================================== ===================> John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 [email protected]
> Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
> ================================================== ===================
we pay a shitload in airport taxes and get treated like animals,
I think thats the problem.
Jul 21st 2007 | 8:35 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
On 22 Jul, 02:13, "RAK" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "NotABushSupporter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Like an earlier poster I also get pissed off with the retail outlets
> cluttering up the airport. In at least one terminal (T3 I think, which is my
> usual one) it seems impossible to get from immigration to the gates without
> passing through the zig-zag aisles of a duty-free alcohol and cigarettes
> outlet, often crowded with shoppers - extra annoying if I am a bit late
> after the tedious security check..
You get them on all commercial airports which, like any other business
exist to make money.
If leasees may huge rents its because they enjoy even greater
turnover. If they enjoy such vast turnovers then its obvious they are
supported. If they are supported travellers vote for them with thir
wallets.
The alternative is that travellers pay a commercial price for the use
of an airport and very expensive facility to provide, operate and
maintain.
> "NotABushSupporter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Like an earlier poster I also get pissed off with the retail outlets
> cluttering up the airport. In at least one terminal (T3 I think, which is my
> usual one) it seems impossible to get from immigration to the gates without
> passing through the zig-zag aisles of a duty-free alcohol and cigarettes
> outlet, often crowded with shoppers - extra annoying if I am a bit late
> after the tedious security check..
You get them on all commercial airports which, like any other business
exist to make money.
If leasees may huge rents its because they enjoy even greater
turnover. If they enjoy such vast turnovers then its obvious they are
supported. If they are supported travellers vote for them with thir
wallets.
The alternative is that travellers pay a commercial price for the use
of an airport and very expensive facility to provide, operate and
maintain.
Jul 21st 2007 | 9:01 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
"Mel Rowing" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
> You get them on all commercial airports which, like any other business
> exist to make money.
>
> If leasees may huge rents its because they enjoy even greater
> turnover. If they enjoy such vast turnovers then its obvious they are
> supported. If they are supported travellers vote for them with thir
> wallets.
Ah yes, the market as the arbiter of all things and consumption as an end in
itself. How deliciously pointless.
news:[email protected] ups.com...
> You get them on all commercial airports which, like any other business
> exist to make money.
>
> If leasees may huge rents its because they enjoy even greater
> turnover. If they enjoy such vast turnovers then its obvious they are
> supported. If they are supported travellers vote for them with thir
> wallets.
Ah yes, the market as the arbiter of all things and consumption as an end in
itself. How deliciously pointless.
Jul 21st 2007 | 9:48 pm
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On 22 Jul, 10:01, "DVH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mel Rowing" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected] ups.com...
>
> > You get them on all commercial airports which, like any other business
> > exist to make money.
>
> > If leasees may huge rents its because they enjoy even greater
> > turnover. If they enjoy such vast turnovers then its obvious they are
> > supported. If they are supported travellers vote for them with thir
> > wallets.
>
> Ah yes, the market as the arbiter of all things and consumption as an end in
> itself. How deliciously pointless.
Well Yes but not pointless!
The market is the predominant arbiter of much that goes on.
It is the arbiter, for instance, of whether shops, banks, pubs,
restaurants line your High Street rather than houses as would have
been the case centuries ago. No doubt the people who use these
facilities get in your way as you make your lawful passage down that
High Street.
Airport concourses are merely High Streets that lead to departure
gates. If nobody used them they wouldn't be there but the price of
your air ticket would be higher as a result. Airports are designed
with the typical passenger in mind. The typical passenger is not one
who wants to use an airport as a bus stop for aeroplanes. He wants
services and facilities.
Do not major rail stations/interchanges sport similar facilities all
be it on a smaller scale?
> "Mel Rowing" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected] ups.com...
>
> > You get them on all commercial airports which, like any other business
> > exist to make money.
>
> > If leasees may huge rents its because they enjoy even greater
> > turnover. If they enjoy such vast turnovers then its obvious they are
> > supported. If they are supported travellers vote for them with thir
> > wallets.
>
> Ah yes, the market as the arbiter of all things and consumption as an end in
> itself. How deliciously pointless.
Well Yes but not pointless!
The market is the predominant arbiter of much that goes on.
It is the arbiter, for instance, of whether shops, banks, pubs,
restaurants line your High Street rather than houses as would have
been the case centuries ago. No doubt the people who use these
facilities get in your way as you make your lawful passage down that
High Street.
Airport concourses are merely High Streets that lead to departure
gates. If nobody used them they wouldn't be there but the price of
your air ticket would be higher as a result. Airports are designed
with the typical passenger in mind. The typical passenger is not one
who wants to use an airport as a bus stop for aeroplanes. He wants
services and facilities.
Do not major rail stations/interchanges sport similar facilities all
be it on a smaller scale?
Jul 21st 2007 | 11:11 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "William Black" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
>>> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news...
>>>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>>>>
>>>> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
>>> ----------------
>>> Is it really possible to be
>>> A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport
>>> and
>>> B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport
>>> at the same time ??
>>> Sounds like a contradiction.
>> Not really.
>> In many cases if you wish to fly from the UK on a scheduled flight you
>> have little choice unless you want to pay a great deal more money.
>>
>> --
>> William Black
> ----------
> So what about those many in transit ? I've used Heathrow many times
> but never for a trip to/from U.K
but why did you do this?
a) because you like transiting in LHR?
b) because there was no other reasonable routing?
tim
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>
>
> "William Black" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
>>> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news...
>>>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>>>>
>>>> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
>>> ----------------
>>> Is it really possible to be
>>> A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport
>>> and
>>> B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport
>>> at the same time ??
>>> Sounds like a contradiction.
>> Not really.
>> In many cases if you wish to fly from the UK on a scheduled flight you
>> have little choice unless you want to pay a great deal more money.
>>
>> --
>> William Black
> ----------
> So what about those many in transit ? I've used Heathrow many times
> but never for a trip to/from U.K
but why did you do this?
a) because you like transiting in LHR?
b) because there was no other reasonable routing?
tim
Jul 21st 2007 | 11:14 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
"John A. Weeks III" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news...
>> > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>> >
>> > Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
>> ----------------
>> Is it really possible to be
>> A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport
>> and
>> B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport
>> at the same time ??
>> Sounds like a contradiction.
>
> It is a contradiction since Heathrow is no where near the
> bussiest international airport. At least if you count
> Atlanta and Chicago. Heathrow bounces around between
> 3rd and 5th in the list, if you count by number of
> passengers.
They count number of international passangers, and ignore
all of the local passangers.
A not unreasonable thing to do if your claim is busiest
*international* airport.
tim
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news...
>> > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>> >
>> > Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
>> ----------------
>> Is it really possible to be
>> A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport
>> and
>> B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport
>> at the same time ??
>> Sounds like a contradiction.
>
> It is a contradiction since Heathrow is no where near the
> bussiest international airport. At least if you count
> Atlanta and Chicago. Heathrow bounces around between
> 3rd and 5th in the list, if you count by number of
> passengers.
They count number of international passangers, and ignore
all of the local passangers.
A not unreasonable thing to do if your claim is busiest
*international* airport.
tim
Jul 21st 2007 | 11:19 pm
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
>"'Surly' Jock Surly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>we pay a shitload in airport taxes and get treated like animals,
>I think thats the problem.
Which country do you live in where airport fees are a tax?
In my country (the one that the airport in the subject is
located) the fee is a cost for providing the services connected
with providing the flight that I have chosen to use. Any
excess goes into the pocket of some fat cat businessman,
and nowhere near a government.
So, If I don't like the service that this commercial operation
is giving me for my money, I take my business elsewhere.
tim
>we pay a shitload in airport taxes and get treated like animals,
>I think thats the problem.
Which country do you live in where airport fees are a tax?
In my country (the one that the airport in the subject is
located) the fee is a cost for providing the services connected
with providing the flight that I have chosen to use. Any
excess goes into the pocket of some fat cat businessman,
and nowhere near a government.
So, If I don't like the service that this commercial operation
is giving me for my money, I take my business elsewhere.
tim
Jul 22nd 2007 | 12:00 am
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
In article <57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news>,
lhr <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> wrote:
> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>
> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
>
> By Cahal Milmo and Martin Hickman
> Published: 21 July 2007
<snipped>
Which is why I've avoided any London airports for the past 7 years by
flying into either Luton, East Midlands or Birmingham.
lhr <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> wrote:
> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece
>
> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
>
> By Cahal Milmo and Martin Hickman
> Published: 21 July 2007
<snipped>
Which is why I've avoided any London airports for the past 7 years by
flying into either Luton, East Midlands or Birmingham.
Jul 22nd 2007 | 12:15 am
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Re: Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
"NotABushSupporter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]. ..
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>
> Do you think BAA made over 600 million pounds from leasing space to the
> establishments you just named?
>
> Surely most of the money did not come from there. I doubt WHSmith is
> paying millions of pounds per store in rent.
Don't be too sure about that.
What changed the BAA from being a public service that just about paid its
way to a major cash cow was the introduction of the vast shopping malls and
aggressive pricing at all the major UK airports.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:[email protected]. ..
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>
> Do you think BAA made over 600 million pounds from leasing space to the
> establishments you just named?
>
> Surely most of the money did not come from there. I doubt WHSmith is
> paying millions of pounds per store in rent.
Don't be too sure about that.
What changed the BAA from being a public service that just about paid its
way to a major cash cow was the introduction of the vast shopping malls and
aggressive pricing at all the major UK airports.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
