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Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article2788626.ece
Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport By Cahal Milmo and Martin Hickman Published: 21 July 2007 As millions of holidaymakers seek to escape Britain's miserable summer by flying abroad this weekend, a perfect storm of delays, under-investment and environmental protest is brewing over Heathrow airport. Today, the world's busiest international airport will open its doors to the first of 10 million passengers who will pour through its terminals in the coming crucial eight-week period, amid warnings of renewed travel chaos and reeling from the departure of its chief executive. Tony Douglas, who left his post a month after admitting Heathrow was "bursting at the seams" , leaves behind an airport that is the subject of growing criticism from airlines and passengers over delays caused by security checks and the slow modernisation of its creaking infrastructure by its owners, British Airports Authority (BAA) . One senior airline executive told The Independent: "The blunt truth is some of the facilities at Heathrow are now world-beatingly bad. Terminal 2 is a shambles and money is not being spent fast enough. The airport is in danger of sending out a message it is not fit for purpose. And it is the passengers, the airlines and the UK economy paying the price." The problems for BAA will be intensified when a protest camp is set up next to Heathrow aimed at highlighting the environmental impact of aviation and the threat to hundreds of homes from a proposed third runway. Organisers have vowed direct action next month to maximise the impact of their demonstration but deny it will affect passengers. BAA described any plans to disrupt the airport as "extremely irresponsible". But with Heathrow receiving 68 million passengers a year, half as many again as its intended capacity of 45 million, it is far more likely that delays will come from within the airport itself as it battles to maintain morale. The Independent has been told that Mr Douglas, who also said the airport was "at times ... held together by sticking plaster" is one of four senior executives to have left BAA's Heathrow team in the past year, along with a significant number of middle-ranking managers. Up to 220,000 people a day will pass through the airport in the next two months, putting massive pressure on its ability to process baggage and security-screen passengers. British Airways said yesterday that it had cleared a backlog of 20,000 bags caused by recent bad weather and security alerts. Meanwhile, the weather created more chaos yesterday as the airport said it had cancelled 141 flights because of the torrential rain that swept across the UK. The airline, Heathrow's biggest operator, admitted it was vulnerable to further difficulties because hand luggage restrictions mean it is carrying 15 per cent more baggage in the holds of its aircraft. Despite the Government's intention to increase the baggage allowance to two bags, it could still be months before the measure is introduced. Stringent security checks imposed last summer after the alleged bomb plot using liquid explosives brought Heathrow to a grinding halt. Despite recruiting 500 extra security staff, the airport is not meeting its target to process all passengers in security lanes within five minutes. BAA said 97 per cent of passengers during its last holiday peak in Easter were processed within 10 minutes but Mr Douglas said he could not guarantee another " extraordinary event" would not cause chaos. Passenger groups said the lack of any spare capacity at the airport meant it was disproportionately vulnerable to such incidents. A spokesman for the Air Transport Users Council said: "It is tough every summer at Heathrow and it just gets harder with the security problems. I think all passengers can really do this year is hope nothing happens outside the airport and everything runs smoothly inside. There is no leeway when things go wrong." BAA said yesterday that it expected many of Heathrow's problems to be eased with the opening next March of the £4.2bn Terminal 5, which will handle all BA flights and relieve congestion at the four other terminals. BAA, which was bought for £16bn by the Spanish group Ferrovial, has earmarked a further £6bn for revamping those buildings, including the demolition or refurbishment of Terminals 1 and 2 to create a new hub with a capacity of 30 million. But the new facilities will not be finished before 2016. BAA is pressing its regulator, the Civil Aviation Authority, to allow it to maintain the fees it charges airlines to use Heathrow. It has warned that the airport's capacity problems it fills 98.5 per cent of its flight slots means it risks losing its dominance to competitors such as Paris Charles de Gaulle and Schiphol in Amsterdam, which run at about 70 per cent capacity. Airlines argue that BAA, which is also facing an inquiry into whether its monopoly of London's three airports should be broken, has already made enough money to fund the required investment. BAA made profits of £620m last year. A spokeswoman for Virgin Atlantic said: "We have some sympathy for the owners but, compared to other airports, there is chronic under-investment despite BAA making substantial profits year after year. They have not kept up with the development of other airports." Heathrow in figures £620m BAA profits last year 68 million Passengers received per year 45 million Intended capacity 500,000 passengers this weekend 10 million Passengers estimated for the next 10 weeks 500 Extra security staff |
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"lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> wrote in message
news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news... > Airlines argue that BAA, which is also facing an inquiry into whether > its monopoly of London's three airports should be broken, has already > made enough money to fund the required investment. BAA made profits of > £620m last year. Thanks in part to cluttering up its concourses with retail space. According to the website, there are eleven branches of Boots, four car outlets, a software retailer, a "free-standing futuristic hairdressing capsule", a bookmakers, three manicurists, thirteen WHSmiths and at least fifty cafés/restaurants. Is Heathrow an airport or a shopping centre with a runway? I've noticed that nothing ever goes smoothly there in terms of just getting on a flight and leaving on time. |
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"lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet
news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news... > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece > > Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport ---------------- Is it really possible to be A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport and B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport at the same time ?? Sounds like a contradiction. |
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"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]... > > > "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet > news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news... >> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece >> >> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport > ---------------- > Is it really possible to be > A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport > and > B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport > at the same time ?? > Sounds like a contradiction. Not really. In many cases if you wish to fly from the UK on a scheduled flight you have little choice unless you want to pay a great deal more money. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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"William Black" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]... > > "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >> >> >> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet >> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news... >>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece >>> >>> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport >> ---------------- >> Is it really possible to be >> A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport >> and >> B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport >> at the same time ?? >> Sounds like a contradiction. > Not really. > In many cases if you wish to fly from the UK on a scheduled flight you > have little choice unless you want to pay a great deal more money. > > -- > William Black ---------- So what about those many in transit ? I've used Heathrow many times but never for a trip to/from U.K |
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William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... > > > > > > "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet > > news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news... > >> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece > >> > >> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport > > ---------------- > > Is it really possible to be > > A: The world´s least favourite airport > > and > > B: The world´s busiest international airport > > at the same time ?? > > Sounds like a contradiction. > > Not really. > > In many cases if you wish to fly from the UK on a scheduled flight you have > little choice unless you want to pay a great deal more money. I don't care which airport I fly through, but LHR (or any LON) has never been my choice of hub airport on price since I left London in 2002. -- (*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website "Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient." Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007 |
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DVH wrote:
> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> wrote in message > news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news... > > >>Airlines argue that BAA, which is also facing an inquiry into whether >>its monopoly of London's three airports should be broken, has already >>made enough money to fund the required investment. BAA made profits of >>£620m last year. > > > Thanks in part to cluttering up its concourses with retail space. According > to the website, there are eleven branches of Boots, four car outlets, a > software retailer, a "free-standing futuristic hairdressing capsule", a > bookmakers, three manicurists, thirteen WHSmiths and at least fifty > cafés/restaurants. Do you think BAA made over 600 million pounds from leasing space to the establishments you just named? Surely most of the money did not come from there. I doubt WHSmith is paying millions of pounds per store in rent. |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:27:33 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote: > > >"lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet >news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news... >> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece >> >> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport >---------------- >Is it really possible to be >A: The worldŽs least favourite airport >and >B: The worldŽs busiest international airport >at the same time ?? >Sounds like a contradiction. > B leads to A. Similar at ORD, STL, JFK and LAX. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management |
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"Alan S" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]... > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:27:33 GMT, "Lennart Petersen" > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >>"lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet >>news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news.. . >>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece >>> >>> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport >>---------------- >>Is it really possible to be >>A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport >>and >>B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport >>at the same time ?? >>Sounds like a contradiction. >> > B leads to A. Similar at ORD, STL, JFK and LAX. > > Cheers, Alan, Australia O.k for that. Smaller airports have to my experience usually been better, less crowded and more efficient. A record for an international connection was a 5 min transfer incl. checked luggage at Sandefjord,Norway. It was the time to exit the plane walk through the terminal incl. security and to the departing gate. But my favourite was Brisbane with an indoor garden,large sofas and plenty of space. |
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Cant say I'm shocked as its an awful airport. I'm just Glasgow I live in Glasgow and can travel anywhere in the world wideout stepping foot in the hell-hole that is Heathrow.
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"NotABushSupporter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]. .. > DVH wrote: > >> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> wrote in message >> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news... >> >> >>>Airlines argue that BAA, which is also facing an inquiry into whether >>>its monopoly of London's three airports should be broken, has already >>>made enough money to fund the required investment. BAA made profits of >>>£620m last year. >> >> >> Thanks in part to cluttering up its concourses with retail space. >> According to the website, there are eleven branches of Boots, four car >> outlets, a software retailer, a "free-standing futuristic hairdressing >> capsule", a bookmakers, three manicurists, thirteen WHSmiths and at least >> fifty cafés/restaurants. > > Do you think BAA made over 600 million pounds from leasing space to the > establishments you just named? > > Surely most of the money did not come from there. I doubt WHSmith is > paying millions of pounds per store in rent. Don't know about the specifics of the London airports, but retail frontage is a major cash cow stateside. Personally, I hate it. If I wanted to go to a damn mall, I'd go to a damn mall. I really hate it when the gates are further apart, for no apparent reason other than to make everyone walk down the rows of non-travel-related stores. If I was benign dictator of the world, airports would have a good selection of real-world-priced food, newstands, and maybe a few shops selling a small selection of things useful to people stuck on long and/or unexpected layovers. (barbers, shoe repair, Drugstore/walkin clinic, overnight-in-hotel-without- luggage kits, underwear and socks, unisex tee shirt/scrubs/jogging suits that you could wear on plane next day if previous days clothes were simply too nasty, and of course a gym bag to haul said nasty clothes home in.) And free wi-fi, of course- none of this 8-bucks-a-day nonsense. But they wouldn't be frigging malls. aem sends... aem sends.... |
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"NotABushSupporter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]. .. > DVH wrote: > >> "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> wrote in message >> news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news... >> >> >>>Airlines argue that BAA, which is also facing an inquiry into whether >>>its monopoly of London's three airports should be broken, has already >>>made enough money to fund the required investment. BAA made profits of >>>£620m last year. >> >> >> Thanks in part to cluttering up its concourses with retail space. >> According to the website, there are eleven branches of Boots, four car >> outlets, a software retailer, a "free-standing futuristic hairdressing >> capsule", a bookmakers, three manicurists, thirteen WHSmiths and at least >> fifty cafés/restaurants. > > Do you think BAA made over 600 million pounds from leasing space to the > establishments you just named? > > Surely most of the money did not come from there. I doubt WHSmith is > paying millions of pounds per store in rent. I wondered about that so looked up BAA annual report (covering all their airports not just LHR) http://www.baa.com/annualreview07/ou...unts_final.pdf It looks like the net income (not profit) from the retail outlets was £385M for 9 months to 31 Dec 2006 plus another £310M for "World Duty Free" so it is a good chunk of their income. If WH Smith are paying an average £100,000 per unit rent (a total guess on my part, but not unlikely I think) then that's £1.3M at LHR alone. And there are many other retail outlets at LHR, and many more WHSmith at other BAA airports. Like an earlier poster I also get pissed off with the retail outlets cluttering up the airport. In at least one terminal (T3 I think, which is my usual one) it seems impossible to get from immigration to the gates without passing through the zig-zag aisles of a duty-free alcohol and cigarettes outlet, often crowded with shoppers - extra annoying if I am a bit late after the tedious security check.. |
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"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]... > > > "Alan S" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet > news:[email protected]... >> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:27:33 GMT, "Lennart Petersen" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>"lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet >>>news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news. .. >>>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece >>>> >>>> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport >>>---------------- >>>Is it really possible to be >>>A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport >>>and >>>B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport >>>at the same time ?? >>>Sounds like a contradiction. >>> >> B leads to A. Similar at ORD, STL, JFK and LAX. >> >> Cheers, Alan, Australia > O.k for that. Smaller airports have to my experience usually been > better, less crowded and more efficient. A record for an international > connection was a 5 min transfer incl. checked luggage at > Sandefjord,Norway. It was the time to exit the plane walk through the > terminal incl. security and to the departing gate. > But my favourite was Brisbane with an indoor garden,large sofas and > plenty of space. > Picton in NZ's south island was well under 5 minutes for arrival as far as I remember. I could grab my own bag direct from the small plane when they opened the hatch maybe 1 min after the plane stopped, then wander about 20M to the gate in the perimeter fence where the bus to town was waiting. I was probably in the pub in town about 10 minutes after touch down. It is more of an airstrip in a field than an airport. Very high on my list of favourites, though maybe not if you have to wait there in the rain. LHR and JFK fight it out for bottom place on my list. |
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On Jul 21, 5:27 pm, "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]>
wrote: > "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandetnews:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr @news...>http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece > > > Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport > > ---------------- > Is it really possible to be > A: The world´s least favourite airport > and > B: The world´s busiest international airport > at the same time ?? > Sounds like a contradiction. The fact that it is so busy makes it overcrowded, makes security and passport control waits much longer, taxes its infrastructure, and results in frequent delays, thereby making it people's least favorite. Tokyo-Narita and New York-Kennedy are both massive hubs that are among the busiest airports in the world...and among the most hated by travelers. For most destinations, it's too inconvenient to fly through a much better, but out of the way airport, like Munich, Singapore or Atlanta, and they don't have nearly the long-distance connections that Heathrow, Narita or Kennedy do. |
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Originally Posted by William Black
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"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]... > > > "lhr" <lhr@london's.hellhole.row> skrev i meddelandet > news:57m4a3htvqkapik8dplgf820n7g60hb0qr@news... >> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...cle2788626.ece >> >> Heathrow: The world's least favourite airport > ---------------- > Is it really possible to be > A: The worldÂŽs least favourite airport > and > B: The worldÂŽs busiest international airport > at the same time ?? > Sounds like a contradiction. Not really. In many cases if you wish to fly from the UK on a scheduled flight you have little choice unless you want to pay a great deal more money. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. Fly Emirates, Continental, KLM, American, Sigapore Airlines etc etc and you can see every destination in the world from airports like Manchester and Glasgow without going near London.:thumbsup: |
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