Tim C .

Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :

>On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:48:38 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
>>
>>>On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:49:25 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ... I never understood why people don't make the minimum effort to learn the Greek
>>>>> ... alphabet before going to Greece.
>>>>>
>>>>>Same here. I never understood how they have the nerve to complain, either!!
>>>>
>>>>I don't believe this!
>>>>
>>>>Martin and Magda agreeing on something!
>>>
>>>It happens all the time.
>>
>>you eventually agree to disagree?
>
>Are you looking for an argument? :-)

I've told you once ....
--
Tim C.

-Martin

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:00:50 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:

>Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
>
>>On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:48:38 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:49:25 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... I never understood why people don't make the minimum effort to learn the Greek
>>>>>> ... alphabet before going to Greece.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Same here. I never understood how they have the nerve to complain, either!!
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't believe this!
>>>>>
>>>>>Martin and Magda agreeing on something!
>>>>
>>>>It happens all the time.
>>>
>>>you eventually agree to disagree?
>>
>>Are you looking for an argument? :-)
>
>I've told you once ....

No you haven't ...

--

Martin

-Magda

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:50:01 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Tim C. <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... Following up to Magda <magda@eu> :
...
... >
... >The Greeks seem to like noise, or at least don't care at all. Don't forget your earplugs
... >next time.
...
... Oh yes. Athens has to be the noisiest place I've ever stayed in.

Try to be in Athens close to a group of German teenagers. A Taste Of Hell.

-Martin

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:12:57 +0200, Magda <magda@eu> wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:50:01 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Tim C. <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... Following up to Magda <magda@eu> :
> ...
> ... >
> ... >The Greeks seem to like noise, or at least don't care at all. Don't forget your earplugs
> ... >next time.
> ...
> ... Oh yes. Athens has to be the noisiest place I've ever stayed in.
>
>Try to be in Athens close to a group of German teenagers. A Taste Of Hell.

Try to have a conversation in a room full of Dutch teenagers.
--

Martin

-Magda

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:22 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:

... Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:00:05 +0200,
... Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:
...
... >On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:47:15 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... >this:
... >
... > ...
... > ... The Greek alphabet is used by just a tiny number of people worldwide,
... > ... and English is quite widely spoken there. Also with the olympics I
... > ... would have expected a bit English push to have been made.
... > ...
... > ... It just seems to make sense to write names in both scripts at least.
... >
... >If the Greeks don't/won't bother, what can you do about it? Force them to adopt some other
... >alphabet *you* happen to know?
...
... Force??? No one cares too much what they do, but a suggestion
... shouldn't be immediately poo-pooed, just because it helps foriners.

I'm sure you are the first foriner who has ever had this idea. It would be about time to
admit that the Greeks are at home and do what they want. If they don't want to make your
life easier, put it in your pipe and smoke it.

... >When you do, remember to change/eliminate the word "alphabet", given that it's formed by
... >the names of the two first greek letters. Can't have that, now, can we?
...
... It probably originated from something Arabic.

And it changes things how...?

Deeply Filled Mortician

Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:00:05 +0200,
Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:

>On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:47:15 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this:
>
> ...
> ... The Greek alphabet is used by just a tiny number of people worldwide,
> ... and English is quite widely spoken there. Also with the olympics I
> ... would have expected a bit English push to have been made.
> ...
> ... It just seems to make sense to write names in both scripts at least.
>
>If the Greeks don't/won't bother, what can you do about it? Force them to adopt some other
>alphabet *you* happen to know?

Force??? No one cares too much what they do, but a suggestion
shouldn't be immediately poo-pooed, just because it helps foriners.

>When you do, remember to change/eliminate the word "alphabet", given that it's formed by
>the names of the two first greek letters. Can't have that, now, can we?

It probably originated from something Arabic.
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Deeply Filled Mortician

Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:15 +0200,
Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:

>On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:22 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this:
>
> ... Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:00:05 +0200,
> ... Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:
> ...
> ... >On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:47:15 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
> ... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> ... >this:
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... The Greek alphabet is used by just a tiny number of people worldwide,
> ... > ... and English is quite widely spoken there. Also with the olympics I
> ... > ... would have expected a bit English push to have been made.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... It just seems to make sense to write names in both scripts at least.
> ... >
> ... >If the Greeks don't/won't bother, what can you do about it? Force them to adopt some other
> ... >alphabet *you* happen to know?
> ...
> ... Force??? No one cares too much what they do, but a suggestion
> ... shouldn't be immediately poo-pooed, just because it helps foriners.
>
>I'm sure you are the first foriner who has ever had this idea. It would be about time to
>admit that the Greeks are at home and do what they want. If they don't want to make your
>life easier, put it in your pipe and smoke it.

I want to make their lives easier, but maybe they just want to make
travellers go to Turkey instead.

> ... >When you do, remember to change/eliminate the word "alphabet", given that it's formed by
> ... >the names of the two first greek letters. Can't have that, now, can we?
> ...
> ... It probably originated from something Arabic.
>
>And it changes things how...?

It was you that was talking about the origin of words. Why is it we
don't count in Roman numbers any more?
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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-Magda

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:12:59 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:

... Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:15 +0200,
... Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:
...
... >On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:22 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... >this:
... >
... > ... Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:00:05 +0200,
... > ... Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:
... > ...
... > ... >On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:47:15 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
... > ... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... > ... >this:
... > ... >
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... The Greek alphabet is used by just a tiny number of people worldwide,
... > ... > ... and English is quite widely spoken there. Also with the olympics I
... > ... > ... would have expected a bit English push to have been made.
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... It just seems to make sense to write names in both scripts at least.
... > ... >
... > ... >If the Greeks don't/won't bother, what can you do about it? Force them to adopt some other
... > ... >alphabet *you* happen to know?
... > ...
... > ... Force??? No one cares too much what they do, but a suggestion
... > ... shouldn't be immediately poo-pooed, just because it helps foriners.
... >
... >I'm sure you are the first foriner who has ever had this idea. It would be about time to
... >admit that the Greeks are at home and do what they want. If they don't want to make your
... >life easier, put it in your pipe and smoke it.
...
... I want to make their lives easier, but maybe they just want to make
... travellers go to Turkey instead.
...
... > ... >When you do, remember to change/eliminate the word "alphabet", given that it's formed by
... > ... >the names of the two first greek letters. Can't have that, now, can we?
... > ...
... > ... It probably originated from something Arabic.
... >
... >And it changes things how...?
...
... It was you that was talking about the origin of words. Why is it we
... don't count in Roman numbers any more?

Isn't it time for you to stop rambling and go to beddy?

-Rog

> Deeply Filled Mortician arranged some electrons,
> so they looked like this:
> ... I want to make their lives easier, but maybe they just want
> ... to make travellers go to Turkey instead.

Greeks can be justly proud of their alphabet as the precursor to
many others, including the Roman alphabet. However, a major
portion of the Greek economy is devoted to tourism and if they
want to promote that segment as an objective, they can simply
make it easier for tourists to find their way around. In Italy,
for example, you'll see symbology directing drivers to various
spots, or even here in the U.S., where we see highway number
signs inside many cities where the streets are also named. Its
simply a matter of being accomodating visitors (or not).

David Horne

Rog' <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
> Greeks can be justly proud of their alphabet as the precursor to
> many others, including the Roman alphabet. However, a major
> portion of the Greek economy is devoted to tourism and if they
> want to promote that segment as an objective, they can simply
> make it easier for tourists to find their way around. In Italy,
> for example, you'll see symbology directing drivers to various
> spots, or even here in the U.S., where we see highway number
> signs inside many cities where the streets are also named. Its
> simply a matter of being accomodating visitors (or not).

I find this whole thing surreal- many of the signs in Greece have
English equivalents.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Alan S

was Greek Vacation...HELP PLEASE!

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:15 +0200, Magda <magda@eu> wrote:

>I'm sure you are the first foriner who has ever had this idea. It would be about time to
>admit that the Greeks are at home and do what they want. If they don't want to make your
>life easier, put it in your pipe and smoke it.

As we travelled, one of the little things we noticed was
what we came to think of as the "friendly cities" index.

There seemed to be an inverse relationship between the
friendliness of a city's bureaucracy and the fame of their
tourist drawcards. By friendliness I don't mean the people.
I mean the effort that the local city and state authorities
put into being helpful to the tourists bringing their cash
into the economy.

For example, here in Oz many of the street signs in the
CBD's of Brisbane and the Gold Coast are bilingual - English
and Japanese. Over the next few years they may even add
Chinese.

In cities like Madrid, Granada, Prague and London and even
Budapest the little extras, like multilingual or clearly
understood direction and traffic signs were there. Little
things, like indicators to the location of facilities, or
hotels etc. In the Alhambra many languages appeared on the
signs and the walk-around recorded multilingual guide booths
were obvious and promoted. Similarly in Istanbul.

But in cities where the ancient ruins attracting visitors
were so famous every child is aware of them - the
authorities gave the distinct impression that if you came to
their city and got confused and frustrated then "If they
don't want to make your life easier, put it in your pipe and
smoke it." Because they know that, if you only ever visit
Europe once in your life, you can't leave Athens, or The
Forum, or Pisa or Florence or Venice off the itinerary.

So, while all (or nearly all) the Italians and Greeks that I
met were marvellous, the major cities at the bottom of our
"friendly authorities" index were Athens, Rome, Florence and
Pisa. Even Paris scored higher. The only North American city
down at the bottom was Montreal - where the antipathy for
non-French speaking visitors was almost tangible.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: A Pause to Reflect
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/

Grusl

"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1hwdv3v.1p55k2n1ukyo25N%[email protected]...
> I find this whole thing surreal- many of the signs in Greece have
> English equivalents.

I quite enjoyed trying to mentally transliterate the Greek signs, either
alone or with random help from passers-by. Not to mention the Cyprus highway
exits marked "Exodus." There was another one about not staying too close to
the car in front that had some recognizable cognate.

Cheers,

George W Russell
Bangalore

-Martin

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:28:15 +0200, Magda <magda@eu> wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:12:59 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this:
>
> ... Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:15 +0200,
> ... Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:
> ...
> ... >On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:22 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
> ... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> ... >this:
> ... >
> ... > ... Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:00:05 +0200,
> ... > ... Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:
> ... > ...
> ... > ... >On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:47:15 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
> ... > ... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> ... > ... >this:
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... The Greek alphabet is used by just a tiny number of people worldwide,
> ... > ... > ... and English is quite widely spoken there. Also with the olympics I
> ... > ... > ... would have expected a bit English push to have been made.
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... It just seems to make sense to write names in both scripts at least.
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... >If the Greeks don't/won't bother, what can you do about it? Force them to adopt some other
> ... > ... >alphabet *you* happen to know?
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Force??? No one cares too much what they do, but a suggestion
> ... > ... shouldn't be immediately poo-pooed, just because it helps foriners.
> ... >
> ... >I'm sure you are the first foriner who has ever had this idea. It would be about time to
> ... >admit that the Greeks are at home and do what they want. If they don't want to make your
> ... >life easier, put it in your pipe and smoke it.
> ...
> ... I want to make their lives easier, but maybe they just want to make
> ... travellers go to Turkey instead.
> ...
> ... > ... >When you do, remember to change/eliminate the word "alphabet", given that it's formed by
> ... > ... >the names of the two first greek letters. Can't have that, now, can we?
> ... > ...
> ... > ... It probably originated from something Arabic.
> ... >
> ... >And it changes things how...?
> ...
> ... It was you that was talking about the origin of words. Why is it we
> ... don't count in Roman numbers any more?
>
>Isn't it time for you to stop rambling and go to beddy?

You failed to point out that *we* never did count in Roman numerals.
--

Martin

-Martin

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:12:59 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:15 +0200,
>Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:22 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>>this:
>>
>> ... Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:00:05 +0200,
>> ... Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:
>> ...
>> ... >On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:47:15 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
>> ... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>> ... >this:
>> ... >
>> ... > ...
>> ... > ... The Greek alphabet is used by just a tiny number of people worldwide,
>> ... > ... and English is quite widely spoken there. Also with the olympics I
>> ... > ... would have expected a bit English push to have been made.
>> ... > ...
>> ... > ... It just seems to make sense to write names in both scripts at least.
>> ... >
>> ... >If the Greeks don't/won't bother, what can you do about it? Force them to adopt some other
>> ... >alphabet *you* happen to know?
>> ...
>> ... Force??? No one cares too much what they do, but a suggestion
>> ... shouldn't be immediately poo-pooed, just because it helps foriners.
>>
>>I'm sure you are the first foriner who has ever had this idea. It would be about time to
>>admit that the Greeks are at home and do what they want. If they don't want to make your
>>life easier, put it in your pipe and smoke it.
>
>I want to make their lives easier, but maybe they just want to make
>travellers go to Turkey instead.

I see mysterious gas cylinder explosions have started again in Turkey.
--

Martin

-Magda

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:59:38 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:28:15 +0200, Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
...
... >On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:12:59 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... >this:
... >
... > ... Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:15 +0200,
... > ... Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:
... > ...
... > ... >On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:22:22 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
... > ... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... > ... >this:
... > ... >
... > ... > ... Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:00:05 +0200,
... > ... > ... Magda <magda@eu> has scripted:
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... >On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:47:15 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
... > ... > ... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... > ... > ... >this:
... > ... > ... >
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... The Greek alphabet is used by just a tiny number of people worldwide,
... > ... > ... > ... and English is quite widely spoken there. Also with the olympics I
... > ... > ... > ... would have expected a bit English push to have been made.
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... It just seems to make sense to write names in both scripts at least.
... > ... > ... >
... > ... > ... >If the Greeks don't/won't bother, what can you do about it? Force them to adopt some other
... > ... > ... >alphabet *you* happen to know?
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... Force??? No one cares too much what they do, but a suggestion
... > ... > ... shouldn't be immediately poo-pooed, just because it helps foriners.
... > ... >
... > ... >I'm sure you are the first foriner who has ever had this idea. It would be about time to
... > ... >admit that the Greeks are at home and do what they want. If they don't want to make your
... > ... >life easier, put it in your pipe and smoke it.
... > ...
... > ... I want to make their lives easier, but maybe they just want to make
... > ... travellers go to Turkey instead.
... > ...
... > ... > ... >When you do, remember to change/eliminate the word "alphabet", given that it's formed by
... > ... > ... >the names of the two first greek letters. Can't have that, now, can we?
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... It probably originated from something Arabic.
... > ... >
... > ... >And it changes things how...?
... > ...
... > ... It was you that was talking about the origin of words. Why is it we
... > ... don't count in Roman numbers any more?
... >
... >Isn't it time for you to stop rambling and go to beddy?
...
... You failed to point out that *we* never did count in Roman numerals.

It was sooooooooo obvious...