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Old Nov 16th 2002, 4:12 am
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[email protected] (Ricardo) writes:

    >On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:01:05 -0000, "Martin Harvey"
    > wrote:

    >>Now what gets me is people who "ratchet up" the handbrake, instead
    >>of raising it with the button pressed! Don't they tell you the
    >>proper way to apply the handbrake?

    >I was taught both ways by instructors. But I pull the h/b up in one
    >swift, quick motion.

Applying lock on the steering wheel... :-)
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Old Nov 16th 2002, 8:12 pm
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    > Now what gets me is people who "ratchet up" the handbrake, instead of
    > raising it with the button pressed! Don't they tell you the proper way to
    > apply the handbrake?

The only reason to not do this is because it wears out the ratchet. Over
time, this could become dangerous as the teeth fail to hold the handbrake
on.

Sensible in some ways, very anal in others. I can't help thinking that the
people who set these rules used to be English teachers.
 
Old Nov 16th 2002, 11:11 pm
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    >> CliveM wrote:
    >>> Backing out of a driveway would be a fail!

    > Brent P wrote:
    >> Does one have to back in, instead?

Martin Harvey wrote:
    > Yes - In the UK it's illegal to reverse from the minor road of a junction
    > onto a major road. You must do it the other way round.

So a driveway is considered a road and its entry point an intersection? In
the US neither of these is true. Otherwise not only "no backing" but the
laws regulating lane use (depending on the direction you're going to turn)
and turn-signaling would apply. All of which are silly, since there's no
room to do them in a typical driveway.
 
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Originally posted by John David Galt
So a driveway is considered a road and its entry point an intersection? In the US neither of these is true. Otherwise not only "no backing" but the laws regulating lane use (depending on the direction you're going to turn) and turn-signaling would apply. All of which are silly, since there's no room to do them in a typical driveway.
David, I think that you have missed the point. What you do on your own drive (in the UK, as in the US) is your own business. However, in theory at least, the law in the UK prohibits you arriving on the public roadway in reverse. In practice you aren't likely to get ticketed unless you cause an accident, only then will the sh!t hit the fan!
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    >Martin Harvey wrote:
    >> Yes - In the UK it's illegal to reverse from the minor road of a junction
    >> onto a major road. You must do it the other way round.


John David Galt wrote
    >So a driveway is considered a road and its entry point an intersection? In


Probably not a driveway, no.
 
Old Nov 18th 2002, 7:20 am
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In article , Martin Harvey
says...
    >>Martin Harvey wrote:
    >>> Yes - In the UK it's illegal to reverse from the minor road of a junction
    >>> onto a major road. You must do it the other way round.
    >John David Galt wrote
    >>So a driveway is considered a road and its entry point an intersection? In
    >Probably not a driveway, no.

Only refers to A class road or higher.


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Originally Posted by Caryl Chessman
Getting a Driver's License Is a Royal Pain in Britain

Wednesday, October 30, 2002

By SARA CALIAN and STEVE STECKLOW
Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

LONDON -- When John Plott, who lives near Glasgow, recently passed his
British driving test, he didn't say a word to the examiner, not even
thanks. "Basically I wanted to get out of the motor car before he
changed his mind," he says.

It's easy to understand why. Mr. Plott had failed the test 15 times
before.

Think driving on the left side of the road is difficult? Try getting a
British driver's license.

The "dreaded test," as one car-insurance ad calls it, is a
nerve-wracking process that takes months of preparation and practice
-- and can end up costing $1,000 or more. It also calls for such
maneuvers as driving backwards around a corner and up the street along
the curb. Touch the curb with the wheel and you flunk.

Most test-takers don't cut it. Britain's pass rate is under 44% and
falling. That makes driving tests in places such as New York, where
61% of drivers pass, seem a relative breeze.

Britain's Driving Standards Agency, the government entity that
administers the test, isn't satisfied. While Britain has one of the
world's lowest auto fatality rates, the agency is concerned because
nearly 20% of new drivers get into crashes within a year of passing
the test.

So the agency has decided to make getting a driver's license even
tougher. In addition to a 35-question computerized exam on driving
regulations and a 40-minute "practical" road test conducted in
traffic, starting Nov. 14 applicants also will have to survive a
video-simulation test that measures reaction times to filmed hazards.

Agency officials concede the new video requirement isn't going to make
getting a license any easier, so they recommend applicants take
special classes just for that. "If they don't take any training, you
could see the pass rate tumble quite a lot," warns Robin Cummins, the
government's chief driving examiner.

That's particularly bad news for Americans living in Britain. While
citizens of other European Union countries can exchange their licenses
for a British one, Americans, within a year of moving here, are
supposed to take the test. But many don't, largely because of horror
stories told by people who have tried.

"It's humiliating," says Justine Griffiths, a sculptor from California
who last year took the test at her Welsh husband's urging. She had
been driving here illegally for eight years using her U.S. license.
"I'm 42 years old. I've been driving for 20 years with a clean record,
and I'm a mother of a nine-year-old. I cried because I failed my
driving test. I felt like a failure in life."

Ianthe Kallas-Bortz, a 46-year-old native New Yorker, refers to the
two-year period she spent trying to acquire a British license as "the
debacle." After four failed attempts, she finally gave up. But that
didn't keep her off the road. She continued to drive for eight more
years, without incident, then she moved back to the U.S.

Indeed, because unlicensed drivers in Britain aren't uncommon, they
are becoming a serious concern. Safety experts estimate there are at
least half a million unlicensed drivers on Britain's roads, and many
say it's because of the test. "There are definitely people who become
so frustrated at not being able to pass the driving test that they
drive without a license," says Andrew Howard, head of road safety for
the AA, Britain's largest motor vehicle club.

Another big deterrent is the cost. Applicants first must buy a
provisional license for $45, which is required to practice. Since
secondary schools don't offer driver education, most people enroll in
driving schools, and take a dozen or more lessons at about $31 an
hour.

The computerized "theory" test costs $28. To pass, it helps to study a
book published by the driving agency, since the book contains all the
actual test questions. The cost: $19. The agency also plans to sell a
$20 practice video for the new simulation test.

The road test costs $61, unless you want to take it on a Saturday, in
which case the fee rises to $75. But you can't take the test unless
you have made a booking beforehand. Since test appointments often
aren't available for two to three months, phone operators recommend
calling every day to see whether there's a cancellation.

Naturally if you fail the road test, you have to pay to take it again.

It's little surprise that the Driving Standards Agency, which also
offers motorcycle, truck, tractor and bus tests, last year reported a
$5.8 million surplus, even though the number of people taking the car
test has been falling. But Mr. Cummins, who says anyone who spends
$900 to acquire a license is getting by "cheap," defends the costs,
saying the agency is required to be self-supporting and therefore
needs to be run as a business.

How are young people supposed to afford a driver's license? Mr.
Cummins isn't sympathetic. "Getting a driving license is not a rite of
passage," he says. He adds that teenagers, who can get a license at
17, need to make priorities in their lives and determine, for example,
whether they want to go to college or get a driving license. The
costs, in fact, aren't that far apart; tuition at most British
universities currently is $1,560 a year.

On a recent midweek morning, a small group of drivers assembled in the
waiting room of the driving-test center in Hendon, just north of
London. All of them were accompanied by their instructors.

For reasons only a bureaucrat could fathom, the tests all were
scheduled for exactly 10:44 a.m., and at that moment a group of
examiners bearing clipboards entered the room. One by one they
accompanied the test-takers to their vehicles, leaving the instructors
behind.

For the next 40 minutes, each examiner directed a driver through the
streets of Hendon, issuing a series of commands. "At the next
roundabout" -- British for traffic circle -- "turn left." "Please pull
over just past that car on the left. Now move on when you're ready."

The examiners quietly made small marks on their clipboards, never
revealing how the drivers were doing until the test was finished. But
the test-takers know from their lessons that the examiners watch out
for compliance with some of the peculiarities of British driving
etiquette. Among them: When stopping at a red light, use the
handbrake, not the foot brake. Never cross your hands when turning the
steering wheel. And never, ever, wave to a pedestrian to signal that
it's OK to cross the street. Even agency officials admit that many
drivers ignore these rules as soon as the test is over.

Upon returning to the agency's parking lot, the examiner ordered a
test-taker to turn off the ignition. Then he looked down at his
clipboard as the driver, who has been licensed in the U.S. for 30
years, awaited the verdict. "I'm sorry, but you didn't pass," the
examiner said in a low voice.

He cited two "serious" faults: The driver hadn't pulled completely
into the right lane when instructed to make a right turn at a
"mini-roundabout." And several times he had failed to check his
rear-view mirror before using a turn signal.

Why is it safer to take your eye off the road and look into a mirror
before using a turn signal? Mr. Cummins later explained that the
purpose is to avoid confusing the driver of another car who might be
trying to overtake the vehicle.

But the AA's Mr. Howard offers a different explanation: "It basically
boils down to the fact the driving tests and the driving procedures
were laid down in the 1920s, and the system does still basically
assume that it's surprising that there's anybody behind you."


http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...960871,00.html
I am american living in Britian and passed my test the first and thought sure I should have failed I won't say it is easy though
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Old Aug 17th 2004, 11:24 pm
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:53:49 +0000, MHolkham <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Getting a Driver's License Is a Royal Pain in Britain
    >> Wednesday, October 30, 2002
    >> By SARA CALIAN and STEVE STECKLOW
    >> Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
    >> LONDON -- When John Plott, who lives near Glasgow, recently passed his
    >> British driving test, he didn't say a word to the examiner, not even
    >> thanks. "Basically I wanted to get out of the motor car before he
    >> changed his mind," he says.
    >> It's easy to understand why. Mr. Plott had failed the test 15 times
    >> before.

With all due respects to Mr Plott, the driving test is not THAT
difficult.

I agree that not being able to drive is severely limiting, especially
if one does not live where there is adequate public transport. I have
great sympathy with people who are "stranded" because they don't
drive. Nevertheless, I feel less than comfortable knowing that such
unconfident (incompetent?) drivers who have failed the test 15 or more
times are licensed to be on the roads alone.

Of course, passing the driving test does not necessarily make one a
good driver. The statistics of young people killing themselves and
others proves that. Similarly, not passing, may not necessarily
indicate a bad driver. Hard to judge.

    >> Think driving on the left side of the road is difficult? Try getting a
    >> British driver's license.
    >> The "dreaded test," as one car-insurance ad calls it, is a
    >> nerve-wracking process that takes months of preparation and practice
    >> -- and can end up costing $1,000 or more. It also calls for such
    >> maneuvers as driving backwards around a corner and up the street along
    >> the curb. Touch the curb with the wheel and you flunk.
    >> Most test-takers don't cut it. Britain's pass rate is under 44% and
    >> falling. That makes driving tests in places such as New York, where
    >> 61% of drivers pass, seem a relative breeze.

Pass rate or first-time pass rate? Many drivers fail the first
attempt but pass the second. There are comparatively few drivers who
fail more times than that.

I suspect most of the people who take a driving test in NY do so in an
automatic (rather than stick-shift which is still the British norm).
There are many more things to distract when you have to manage a
clutch and gears as well.

    >> Britain's Driving Standards Agency, the government entity that
    >> administers the test, isn't satisfied. While Britain has one of the
    >> world's lowest auto fatality rates, the agency is concerned because
    >> nearly 20% of new drivers get into crashes within a year of passing
    >> the test.

Many crashes involving new drivers, especially young ones, are caused
by inappropriate speed and not being able to read the driving
conditions. Passing the current driving test does not make you a
careful or an experienced driver.
    >> So the agency has decided to make getting a driver's license even
    >> tougher. In addition to a 35-question computerized exam on driving
    >> regulations and a 40-minute "practical" road test conducted in
    >> traffic, starting Nov. 14 applicants also will have to survive a
    >> video-simulation test that measures reaction times to filmed hazards.

I think this is an excellent idea, especially if it is likely to save
the lives of some of the young drivers. Better to make your
mistakes in simulation. You might not get a second chance on the
roads.

    >> Agency officials concede the new video requirement isn't going to make
    >> getting a license any easier, so they recommend applicants take
    >> special classes just for that. "If they don't take any training, you
    >> could see the pass rate tumble quite a lot," warns Robin Cummins, the
    >> government's chief driving examiner.

One of the best ways to pass the British driving test first time is to
have one or more lessons beforehand with a qualified driving
instructor. They know what is required and get you to practise it
beforehand. Unfortunately still too many new drivers in Britain are
taught by a friend or relative and attempt to pass the test without
any professional help and knowledge.
    >> That's particularly bad news for Americans living in Britain. While
    >> citizens of other European Union countries can exchange their licenses
    >> for a British one, Americans, within a year of moving here, are
    >> supposed to take the test. But many don't, largely because of horror
    >> stories told by people who have tried.
    >> "It's humiliating," says Justine Griffiths, a sculptor from California
    >> who last year took the test at her Welsh husband's urging. She had
    >> been driving here illegally for eight years using her U.S. license.
    >> "I'm 42 years old. I've been driving for 20 years with a clean record,
    >> and I'm a mother of a nine-year-old. I cried because I failed my
    >> driving test. I felt like a failure in life."

If someone finds it humiliating to fail, that's their own personal
problem. However, I can understand the frustrations and
disappointments of failing the first time and the apprehensions for
future tests. Hopefully Justine took on board the comments and
criticisms and passed the second time with flying colours.

    >> Ianthe Kallas-Bortz, a 46-year-old native New Yorker, refers to the
    >> two-year period she spent trying to acquire a British license as "the
    >> debacle." After four failed attempts, she finally gave up. But that
    >> didn't keep her off the road. She continued to drive for eight more
    >> years, without incident, then she moved back to the U.S.

I'm sure someone who has driven safely for a number of years has the
experience and road sense to continue to do so. They are no different
than the thousands of tourists that come to Britain and drive on their
home licenses whilst here. However, having driven in several
countries in Europe, as well as Asia and USA I would be appalled if
some drivers were licensed to drive in Britain the way they do at
home.

    >> Indeed, because unlicensed drivers in Britain aren't uncommon, they
    >> are becoming a serious concern. Safety experts estimate there are at
    >> least half a million unlicensed drivers on Britain's roads, and many
    >> say it's because of the test. "There are definitely people who become
    >> so frustrated at not being able to pass the driving test that they
    >> drive without a license," says Andrew Howard, head of road safety for
    >> the AA, Britain's largest motor vehicle club.

Hmmmm where should our sympathies lie there I wonder?
    >> Another big deterrent is the cost. Applicants first must buy a
    >> provisional license for $45, which is required to practice. Since
    >> secondary schools don't offer driver education, most people enroll in
    >> driving schools, and take a dozen or more lessons at about $31 an
    >> hour.
    >> The computerized "theory" test costs $28. To pass, it helps to study a
    >> book published by the driving agency, since the book contains all the
    >> actual test questions. The cost: $19. The agency also plans to sell a
    >> $20 practice video for the new simulation test.
    >> The road test costs $61, unless you want to take it on a Saturday, in
    >> which case the fee rises to $75. But you can't take the test unless
    >> you have made a booking beforehand. Since test appointments often
    >> aren't available for two to three months, phone operators recommend
    >> calling every day to see whether there's a cancellation.
    >> Naturally if you fail the road test, you have to pay to take it again.
    >> It's little surprise that the Driving Standards Agency, which also
    >> offers motorcycle, truck, tractor and bus tests, last year reported a
    >> $5.8 million surplus, even though the number of people taking the car
    >> test has been falling. But Mr. Cummins, who says anyone who spends
    >> $900 to acquire a license is getting by "cheap," defends the costs,
    >> saying the agency is required to be self-supporting and therefore
    >> needs to be run as a business.
    >> How are young people supposed to afford a driver's license? Mr.
    >> Cummins isn't sympathetic. "Getting a driving license is not a rite of
    >> passage," he says. He adds that teenagers, who can get a license at
    >> 17, need to make priorities in their lives and determine, for example,
    >> whether they want to go to college or get a driving license. The
    >> costs, in fact, aren't that far apart; tuition at most British
    >> universities currently is $1,560 a year.

I wonder how much their parents have already spent on designer
clothes, computers, Hi Fis, TVs etc for them. Something as serious
as learning how to protect your life and other lives whilst you are
behind a wheel, and which hopefully will last a lifetime, should,
IMHO, be taken seriously.
    >> On a recent midweek morning, a small group of drivers assembled in the
    >> waiting room of the driving-test center in Hendon, just north of
    >> London. All of them were accompanied by their instructors.
    >> For reasons only a bureaucrat could fathom, the tests all were
    >> scheduled for exactly 10:44 a.m., and at that moment a group of
    >> examiners bearing clipboards entered the room. One by one they
    >> accompanied the test-takers to their vehicles, leaving the instructors
    >> behind.
    >> For the next 40 minutes, each examiner directed a driver through the
    >> streets of Hendon, issuing a series of commands. "At the next
    >> roundabout" -- British for traffic circle -- "turn left." "Please pull
    >> over just past that car on the left. Now move on when you're ready."
    >> The examiners quietly made small marks on their clipboards, never
    >> revealing how the drivers were doing until the test was finished. But
    >> the test-takers know from their lessons that the examiners watch out
    >> for compliance with some of the peculiarities of British driving
    >> etiquette. Among them: When stopping at a red light, use the
    >> handbrake, not the foot brake. Never cross your hands when turning the
    >> steering wheel. And never, ever, wave to a pedestrian to signal that
    >> it's OK to cross the street. Even agency officials admit that many
    >> drivers ignore these rules as soon as the test is over.
    >> Upon returning to the agency's parking lot, the examiner ordered a
    >> test-taker to turn off the ignition. Then he looked down at his
    >> clipboard as the driver, who has been licensed in the U.S. for 30
    >> years, awaited the verdict. "I'm sorry, but you didn't pass," the
    >> examiner said in a low voice.
    >> He cited two "serious" faults: The driver hadn't pulled completely
    >> into the right lane when instructed to make a right turn at a
    >> "mini-roundabout." And several times he had failed to check his
    >> rear-view mirror before using a turn signal.

Pulling into the right lane implies there are two lanes going into the
roundabout and presumably two leaving it. It is possible for cars in
both lanes to go straight ahead. Many accidents are caused when
drivers in the left lane swing across the traffic to turn right. It
is a sign of careless driving not to get into the correct lane to turn
right at a roundabout.
    >> Why is it safer to take your eye off the road and look into a mirror
    >> before using a turn signal? Mr. Cummins later explained that the
    >> purpose is to avoid confusing the driver of another car who might be
    >> trying to overtake the vehicle.
    >> But the AA's Mr. Howard offers a different explanation: "It basically
    >> boils down to the fact the driving tests and the driving procedures
    >> were laid down in the 1920s, and the system does still basically
    >> assume that it's surprising that there's anybody behind you."

It's one of those British things - when a driver indicates to turn (or
change lanes in the motorway) one never knows whether the cars behind
will give way. It is worse, when you are overtaking, if a car in
front just indicates and moves into your path leaving you with
nowhere to go. Usually this is because they haven't looked in their
mirrors to see what is coming up behind them.

I find it vital for my safety to keep checking in my mirrors to see
what is coming up behind me. If you have your rear view mirror
correctly adjusted, you need only to flick your eyes. This takes
such little time that it is not quite the same as "taking your eye off
the road".

    >> http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...960871,00.html
    >I am american living in Britian and passed my test the first and thought
    >sure I should have failed I won't say it is easy though

I passed my test the first time although it was a scary experience.

To begin with the car in which I had been learning broke down the
night before so I had to do the test in a car I had never seen before
- completely different feel to clutch, accelerator etc. which is a big
deal for a learner driver.

100 yards down the road I had to do a genuine emergency stop as two
old ladies stepped right into my path. For some reason I just knew
they were going to do it, so in a way I was prepared. However I was
so flustered I started off again in third gear. Afterwards the
examiner pulled me up on that but the fact that I hadn't killed the
old ladies and I didn't stall the car afterwards must have given him
some confidence I actually could drive so I passed. Phew!

One of the things I value most from the driving instruction is how to
park in very tight spaces. I now know how to line the car up and
where to turn the wheel etc. I also know if I get it wrong the only
thing to do is pull out and line it up again. I bet Americans are
horrified when they first see how small british streets and parking
spaces are.

Yes the driving test may be a Royal pain but if you prepare for it
you might learn new skills that will stand you for a lifetime.

Derek
 
Old Aug 18th 2004, 12:43 am
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"Derek McBryde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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...
    > >> So the agency has decided to make getting a driver's license even
    > >> tougher. In addition to a 35-question computerized exam on driving
    > >> regulations and a 40-minute "practical" road test conducted in
    > >> traffic, starting Nov. 14 applicants also will have to survive a
    > >> video-simulation test that measures reaction times to filmed hazards.
    > I think this is an excellent idea, especially if it is likely to save
    > the lives of some of the young drivers. Better to make your
    > mistakes in simulation. You might not get a second chance on the
    > roads. ...

Unlike banging the clip board on the dash, it should test the candidates'
ability to recognise a hazard as well as how fast they react to it. It
should also reduce the fairly significant number of times that an examiner
has to take action during a test to prevent an accident.

    > >>...
    > >> Agency officials concede the new video requirement isn't going to make
    > >> getting a license any easier, so they recommend applicants take
    > >> special classes just for that. "If they don't take any training, you
    > >> could see the pass rate tumble quite a lot," warns Robin Cummins, the
    > >> government's chief driving examiner.
    > One of the best ways to pass the British driving test first time is to
    > have one or more lessons beforehand with a qualified driving
    > instructor. They know what is required and get you to practise it
    > beforehand. Unfortunately still too many new drivers in Britain are
    > taught by a friend or relative and attempt to pass the test without
    > any professional help and knowledge....

The recommendation is one professional driving lesson for each year of age,
with a minimum of 20 lessons. I did that and passed first time at a testing
station that was recognised as being a difficult one.

Colin Bignell
 
Old Aug 18th 2004, 8:22 am
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Following up to MHolkham

    >> Think driving on the left side of the road is difficult?

driving on the left is exactly as difficult as driving on the
right.

    >> The "dreaded test," as one car-insurance ad calls it, is a
    >> nerve-wracking process that takes months of preparation and practice

You don't want to believe all you read in ads or in articles
looking for a story to report.
Its however possible that the UKs superior road safety record to
US is partly down to a tougher test of competence. Although it
fails badly IMHO in not addressing motorway (freeway) driving
practically.
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Old Aug 18th 2004, 8:22 am
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The Reids
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Following up to "nightjar"
<nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com>

    >The recommendation is one professional driving lesson for each year of age,
    >with a minimum of 20 lessons. I did that and passed first time at a testing
    >station that was recognised as being a difficult one.

I didn't and passed first time :-) IIRC 17 years old, 0 lessons
but a copy of "how to drive a car in three weeks" and a friend
willing to be driven around ad nauseum, often asleep!.
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Old Aug 18th 2004, 3:46 pm
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Richard
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"The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Its however possible that the UKs superior road safety record to
    > US is partly down to a tougher test of competence. Although it
    > fails badly IMHO in not addressing motorway (freeway) driving
    > practically.

At least it's addressed impractically. Here the road test doesn't address it
at all. Of the 20 minute test, 17 minutes are spent in a quiet residential
area. The remaining three are spent getting to and from said residential
area.

What more, we've get plenty of snow here come January, yet it's completely
possible to learn to drive and pass the test in the middle of June when the
roads are clear and dry, only to be left to learn how to handle snow and
black ice alone, six months later.

Richard
 
Old Aug 18th 2004, 4:19 pm
  #193  
Tim Challenger
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:46:57 -0400, Richard wrote:

    > "The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >> Its however possible that the UKs superior road safety record to
    >> US is partly down to a tougher test of competence. Although it
    >> fails badly IMHO in not addressing motorway (freeway) driving
    >> practically.
    >
    > At least it's addressed impractically. Here the road test doesn't address it
    > at all. Of the 20 minute test, 17 minutes are spent in a quiet residential
    > area. The remaining three are spent getting to and from said residential
    > area.
    >
    > What more, we've get plenty of snow here come January, yet it's completely
    > possible to learn to drive and pass the test in the middle of June when the
    > roads are clear and dry, only to be left to learn how to handle snow and
    > black ice alone, six months later.
    >
    > Richard

A driving course here in Austria will set you back around Eur 2,500, that
is the basic course and includes 28 hours of courses (theory in classrooms
and practical in small groups), extra driving practice is on top of that.
That includes motorway and night-time driving lessons. And they still
tailgate, never indicate and haven't a clue about roundabouts.

On top of that you have to attend an official first aid course (Eur 40),
and have a medical and eye examination at your cost (Eur 50). Plus another
Eur 90+ for the actual test charges, plus Eur 55 if you actually pass for
the licence.

That adds up to about Eur 2700, if you're lucky. You basically HAVE to
learn with a driving school.

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Old Aug 18th 2004, 6:44 pm
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Bill Moore
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    >> Its however possible that the UKs superior road safety record to
    >> US is partly down to a tougher test of competence.


I thought it was related to those roundabouts, where incompetent
drivers are doomed to live out their lives circling ;-)

(Isn't Chevy Chase still stuck in one in London?)
 
Old Aug 18th 2004, 6:56 pm
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Richard
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"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

    > A driving course here in Austria will set you back around Eur
    > 2,500, that is the basic course and includes 28 hours of
    > courses (theory in classrooms and practical in small groups),
    > extra driving practice is on top of that. That includes motorway
    > and night-time driving lessons.

Here the basic lessons are 12 hours and cost maybe 10% of that.

    > And they still tailgate, never indicate and haven't a clue about
    > roundabouts.

That's universal, I think. Is there any country whose drivers diligently use
their turn signals?

    > On top of that you have to attend an official first aid course
    > (Eur 40),

Not required here.

    > and have a medical and eye examination at your cost (Eur 50).

Included in the cost of getting a learner's permit (ie permission to drive
with a sober licensed driver in the same car) here. Total cost: $24 CAD.

    > Plus another Eur 90+ for the actual test charges

$25 CAD here.

    > plus Eur 55 if you actually pass for the licence.

Well at least one thing is less expensive there! It's up to $100 CAD here.

    > That adds up to about Eur 2700, if you're lucky.

The whole process cost me about 10% of that.

    > You basically HAVE to learn with a driving school.

Only advantage to doing so here is that it allows you to take your road test
6 months earlier than you otherwise would.

Richard
 


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