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French smoking ban goes into effect today

Old Feb 4th 2007, 7:03 pm
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In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] says...
> In article [email protected] says...
> > In order to preserve coal miners' health, all that is necessary is to
> > provide increased fresh air ventilation in the mine. That simple
> > provision, with plenty of different, highly effective equipment means
> > and methods available, had to be legislatively FORCED upon mining
> > companies because it would cut into their profits.
>
> Exactly. Anti-smoking zealots are against mandates for better air
> ventilation systems and demand an outright ban instead. In the coal
> mining example, they would demand the coal mine to be shut down. Air
> ventilation systems don't work according to them.


So when can we get some butt-ventallation systems, to filter out
the rubbish that smokers throw everywhere?

Which, naturally, should be paid for by those oh-so-considerate
smokers. Since they are the ones voluntarily causing the
problem.

And which should include a STILL-BURNING-butt filter, to
eliminate the fire hazard. Despite the smoker's pathological
denial of its existence.


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Old Feb 4th 2007, 7:03 pm
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In article <[email protected]> ,
[email protected] says...


> There are numerous studies that show smoking cigarettes may reduce one's
> chances of getting Alzheimer's and Parkinson disease and helps alleviate
> symptoms of Tourette's Syndrome and cocaine addiction.


You mean like the way that heavy smokers tend to DIE before they
are eligible for Alzheimer's and Parkinson's? (Yes, some people
get it early, but most actually have to survive to old age before
it shows up.)

Tourette's Syndrome? How many smokers are using it as a defence
against that?

Cocaine? Sure, they are chain-smoking cigarettes to distract
themselves from the incessant desire for a hit off a crack pipe.

But, do you really think that means that an average person is
somehow protected against cocaine addiction, just be sucking on
cancer-stick?


> There is also
> evidence that (smoking) tobacco helps reduce one's chance of colon and
> prostate cancers.


Because they will be distracted, or even dead, from their
smoking-related illnesses?


> There are also several studies, including one shelved by
> the WHO, that show no correlation to second-hand smoke and lung cancer.
>
> I don't smoke, never have and never will, but the anti-smoking nazi's drive
> me crazy. I have two people in my family, and aunt (died at 64 y.o.) and
> uncle (died at 66 y.o) , from different sides of the family, both died from
> lung cancer and neither smoked nor were around people that did - anecdotal
> yes, but there are other nasty things out there that will get you.


Sure. If the smoking-related illnesses don't get you first.


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Old Feb 4th 2007, 11:19 pm
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 01:52:23 -0600, Mark Anderson
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Anti smoking zealots are hypocrites. If they
>truly want clean air they should start outside and not waste their time
>on those who chose to go into their own smoke filled places.
>

They're worse than hypocrites. They purposely use junk science to
advance their own deceit. Despite good science to the contrary, their
lies have decimated many industries.
CigarBaron
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 2:36 am
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Insomniac wrote:
> Oh,....he didn't go there.
>
> You want to talk about things that cause harm to people. The Church
> is the biggest one of them.
>
> I realize religion also does some good things, but damn...don't even
> compare the damage done through second hand smoke to the millions that
> have been killed in the name of one religion or another.
>
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:38:41 -0800, "vex" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Gooserider wrote:
>>
>>> Good. I had to quit going to nightclubs because I can't stand
>>> smelling like cigarette smoke. Nothing worse than standing in a club
>>> with 50-100 people smoking. Want to smoke? Go outside.
>>
>>
>> It won't be an issue much longer, because we'll begin banning
>> nightclubs as well.
>>
>> I mean, why stop at tobacco and trans-fats? I'm going to push
>> legislation to ban all *sorts* of activities. And then the only
>> thing left will be The Church.

Religion doesn't kill. People kill in the name of religion.

And there's no scientific evidence that secondary smoke kills anyone.

bernie


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Old Feb 5th 2007, 2:37 am
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:36:48 -0600, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "btorvik2"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... Religion doesn't kill. People kill in the name of religion.
...
... And there's no scientific evidence that secondary smoke kills anyone.

No... only corpses.
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 6:36 am
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Magda wrote:
>
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:36:48 -0600, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "btorvik2"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ...
> ... Religion doesn't kill. People kill in the name of religion.
> ...
> ... And there's no scientific evidence that secondary smoke kills anyone.
>
> No... only corpses.


Not every corpse is the result of smoking or inhaling second hand smoke.
I don't question that smoking is a factor in lung cancer for some people,
but there are lots of smokers who do not get lung cancer, and lots of
people who get lung cancer who never smoked.
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 6:49 am
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-Magda
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:36:17 -0500, in alt.gossip.celebrities, Dave Smith
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... Magda wrote:
... >
... > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:36:48 -0600, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "btorvik2"
... > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ...
... > ... Religion doesn't kill. People kill in the name of religion.
... > ...
... > ... And there's no scientific evidence that secondary smoke kills anyone.
... >
... > No... only corpses.
...
... Not every corpse is the result of smoking or inhaling second hand smoke.

Don't change the subject, pwecious little darling.
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 7:29 am
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Charlotte Six Ovens
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On Feb 5, 4:36 pm, "btorvik2" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Insomniac wrote:
> > Oh,....he didn't go there.
>
> > You want to talk about things that cause harm to people. The Church
> > is the biggest one of them.
>
> > I realize religion also does some good things, but damn...don't even
> > compare the damage done through second hand smoke to the millions that
> > have been killed in the name of one religion or another.
>
> > On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:38:41 -0800, "vex" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Gooserider wrote:
>
> >>> Good. I had to quit going to nightclubs because I can't stand
> >>> smelling like cigarette smoke. Nothing worse than standing in a club
> >>> with 50-100 people smoking. Want to smoke? Go outside.
>
> >> It won't be an issue much longer, because we'll begin banning
> >> nightclubs as well.
>
> >> I mean, why stop at tobacco and trans-fats? I'm going to push
> >> legislation to ban all *sorts* of activities. And then the only
> >> thing left will be The Church.
>
> Religion doesn't kill. People kill in the name of religion.
>
> And there's no scientific evidence that secondary smoke kills anyone.
>
> bernie
>
> --
> "Official ASC Shaman"

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b5422

Secondhand Smoke Fact Sheet

August 2006

Secondhand smoke, also know as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a
mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe
or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is
involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours after
cigarettes have been extinguished and can cause or exacerbate a wide
range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory
infections, and asthma.1

*
Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A
carcinogen).2
*
Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in
children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains
hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including
formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen
cyanide.3
*
Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths
and 22,700-69,600 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the
United States each year.4
*
A study found that nonsmokers exposed to environmental smoke
were 25 percent more likely to have coronary heart diseases compared
to nonsmokers not exposed to smoke.5
*
Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased
risk for adverse health effects. Levels of ETS in restaurants and
bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with
smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.6
*
Since 1999, 70 percent of the U.S. workforce worked under a
smoke-free policy, ranging from 83.9 percent in Utah to 48.7 percent
in Nevada.7 Workplace productivity was increased and absenteeism was
decreased among former smokers compared with current smokers.8
*
Currently, 14 states including California, Colorado,
Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, New
Jersey Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and Washington, as well as the
District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, have already passed strong smoke-
free air laws.9
*
As of 2005, nine smoke-free states prohibit smoking in almost
all workplaces, including restaurants and bars (CA, CT, DE, ME, MA,
NY, RI, VT and WA).10
*
Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children.
Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower
respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months
of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each
year, and causes 1,900 to 2,700 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS)
deaths in the United States annually.11
*
Secondhand smoke exposure may cause buildup of fluid in the
middle ear, resulting in 700,000 to 1.6 million physician office
visits per year.12 Secondhand smoke can also aggravate symptoms in
400,000 to 1,000,000 children with asthma.13
*
In the United States, 21 million, or 35 percent of, children
live in homes where residents or visitors smoke in the home on a
regular basis.14 Approximately 50-75 percent of children in the
United States have detectable levels of cotinine, the breakdown
product of nicotine in the blood.15
*
New research indicates that private research conducted by
cigarette company Philip Morris in the 1980s showed that secondhand
smoke was highly toxic, yet the company suppressed the finding during
the next two decades.16
*
The current Surgeon General's Report concluded that scientific
evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to
second hand smoke. Short exposures to second hand smoke can cause
blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood
vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart
rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of heart attack.17
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 9:18 am
  #99  
KLC Lewis
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"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:36:17 -0500, in alt.gossip.celebrities, Dave Smith
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> ... Magda wrote:
> ... >
> ... > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:36:48 -0600, in alt.gossip.celebrities,
> "btorvik2"
> ... > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
> ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Religion doesn't kill. People kill in the name of religion.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... And there's no scientific evidence that secondary smoke kills
> anyone.
> ... >
> ... > No... only corpses.
> ...
> ... Not every corpse is the result of smoking or inhaling second hand
> smoke.
>
> Don't change the subject, pwecious little darling.
>

Okay, let's keep it on topic: Most smokers, by a clear majority, do not die
from smoking-related illness. Them's the facts, babe. Look it up.
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 9:39 am
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-Magda
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:18:18 -0600, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "KLC Lewis"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... Okay, let's keep it on topic: Most smokers, by a clear majority, do not die
... from smoking-related illness. Them's the facts, babe. Look it up.

You'll love it when you are one of the "few" who die from some smoking-related illness.
I've heard that the pain is just *adorable*!
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 9:46 am
  #101  
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"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:18:18 -0600, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "KLC Lewis"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ...
> ... Okay, let's keep it on topic: Most smokers, by a clear majority, do
> not die
> ... from smoking-related illness. Them's the facts, babe. Look it up.
>
> You'll love it when you are one of the "few" who die from some
> smoking-related illness.
> I've heard that the pain is just *adorable*!
>

People die in horrible painful ways every minute of every day. I should be
so special as to die peacefully in my sleep? Insh'Allah.
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 10:07 am
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-Magda
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:46:54 -0600, in rec.travel.europe, "KLC Lewis" <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:


... > ... Okay, let's keep it on topic: Most smokers, by a clear majority, do
... > not die
... > ... from smoking-related illness. Them's the facts, babe. Look it up.
... >
... > You'll love it when you are one of the "few" who die from some
... > smoking-related illness.
... > I've heard that the pain is just *adorable*!
...
... People die in horrible painful ways every minute of every day. I should be
... so special as to die peacefully in my sleep? Insh'Allah.

Ask and you shall receive.
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 10:12 am
  #103  
KLC Lewis
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"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:46:54 -0600, in rec.travel.europe, "KLC Lewis"
> <[email protected]>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
>
> ... > ... Okay, let's keep it on topic: Most smokers, by a clear majority,
> do
> ... > not die
> ... > ... from smoking-related illness. Them's the facts, babe. Look it
> up.
> ... >
> ... > You'll love it when you are one of the "few" who die from some
> ... > smoking-related illness.
> ... > I've heard that the pain is just *adorable*!
> ...
> ... People die in horrible painful ways every minute of every day. I
> should be
> ... so special as to die peacefully in my sleep? Insh'Allah.
>
> Ask and you shall receive.
>

Wow! That's fantastic! Okay, I ask that the anti-aunties should all go away,
stop posting to the smoking newsgroups, and leave the smokers to enjoy their
smoke and camaraderie in peace.
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 10:16 am
  #104  
-Dave Smith
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Magda wrote:
>
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:18:18 -0600, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "KLC Lewis"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ...
> ... Okay, let's keep it on topic: Most smokers, by a clear majority, do not die
> ... from smoking-related illness. Them's the facts, babe. Look it up.
>
> You'll love it when you are one of the "few" who die from some smoking-related illness.
> I've heard that the pain is just *adorable*!

Admittedly, the pain lingers longer than that of the joggers who drop dead
of heart attacks while out getting healthy.
 
Old Feb 5th 2007, 10:18 am
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KLC Lewis wrote:
>
>
> People die in horrible painful ways every minute of every day. I should be
> so special as to die peacefully in my sleep? Insh'Allah.

That is the way my father in law went, and just a few weeks short of his
95th birthday. He had poached eggs with cheese every morning for breakfast,
ate a lot of cold cuts and red meat, salted all his food. Dinner was a
couple crackers with peanut butter and a martini, and a cigar and coffee
after dinner.
 

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