In article <[email protected]>,
deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician) wrote:

> *From:* Deeply Filled Mortician
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> *Date:* Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:21:39 +0100
>
> Let is be knownst that on Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:45:47 -0600,
> [email protected] writted:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician)
> wrote:
>
> >> What evidence there is is that every cigarette does you damage.
> >> Perhaps second hand smoke doesn't, but as that doesn't make much
> >> sense, and it would suggest proof is necessary to demonstrate it.
> >
> >I think btorvik's point was that it's not so much the nicotine per se,
> but >other stuff in the cigarettes, that is harmful.
>
> I don't think anything they add compares with the deadly chemical that
> is nicotine.

AIUI some of the other substances are significantly more carcinogenic.
Though this is, of course, somewhat hair-splitting: one can't selectively
inhale just some of the constituent substances.

In article <[email protected]>,
deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician) wrote:

> *From:* Deeply Filled Mortician
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> *Date:* Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:29:05 +0100
>
> Let is be knownst that on Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:45:48 -0600,
> [email protected] writted:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician)
> wrote:
>
> >> Sorry, can't get that where I am.
> >
> >You can get it on DVD, and it is superb - I've just started the second
> >series. I have to limit myself to two episodes a day...
>
> Sounds great, but I'd probably have to get it illegally. There is next
> to zero market for something like that in Italy, and I aint gonna
> watch it dubbed anyway.

Amazon?

I actually watch it with subtitles - English - turned on because some of
the street talk is difficult to follow otherwise.

Let is be knownst that on Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:42:54 -0600,
[email protected] writted:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician) wrote:
>
>> *From:* Deeply Filled Mortician
>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> *Date:* Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:21:39 +0100
>>
>> Let is be knownst that on Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:45:47 -0600,
>> [email protected] writted:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> >deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> What evidence there is is that every cigarette does you damage.
>> >> Perhaps second hand smoke doesn't, but as that doesn't make much
>> >> sense, and it would suggest proof is necessary to demonstrate it.
>> >
>> >I think btorvik's point was that it's not so much the nicotine per se,
>> but >other stuff in the cigarettes, that is harmful.
>>
>> I don't think anything they add compares with the deadly chemical that
>> is nicotine.
>
>AIUI some of the other substances are significantly more carcinogenic.
>Though this is, of course, somewhat hair-splitting: one can't selectively
>inhale just some of the constituent substances.

I think cigarette companys want their products to be more addictive
and less deadly as a rule.
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Let is be knownst that on Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:42:55 -0600,
[email protected] writted:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician) wrote:
>
>> *From:* Deeply Filled Mortician
>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> *Date:* Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:29:05 +0100
>>
>> Let is be knownst that on Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:45:48 -0600,
>> [email protected] writted:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> >deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Sorry, can't get that where I am.
>> >
>> >You can get it on DVD, and it is superb - I've just started the second
>> >series. I have to limit myself to two episodes a day...
>>
>> Sounds great, but I'd probably have to get it illegally. There is next
>> to zero market for something like that in Italy, and I aint gonna
>> watch it dubbed anyway.
>
>Amazon?
>
>I actually watch it with subtitles - English - turned on because some of
>the street talk is difficult to follow otherwise.

OK, OK, I'll give it a look up.
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Let is be knownst that on Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:57:11 -0600, "btorvik2"
<[email protected]> writted:

>Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>
>>
>> That's a lot of conventional thinking, but I don't see it happening.
>> It would simply be taxed to the verge of being affordable, and those
>> would still resort to crime to subsidise their habit.
>>
>We're doing that to cigarettes and I don't see the crime rate rising because
>of that.

Cigarettes are still cheap everywhere, and very readily available.

Compare the price of them to other drugs like heroin, speed, and
cocaine.
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:57:11 -0600, "btorvik2" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>
>>
>> That's a lot of conventional thinking, but I don't see it happening.
>> It would simply be taxed to the verge of being affordable, and those
>> would still resort to crime to subsidise their habit.
>>
>We're doing that to cigarettes and I don't see the crime rate rising because
>of that.
>
>
>bernie


But hopefully the death rate (which is the stated objective) will
continue to fall.

Volker Hetzer wrote:
> btorvik2 schrieb:
>> My personal belief is that secondary smoke is at best an irritant
>> and at worst may cause health problems especially for people with
>> respiratory problems.
> One blow into the face is not a problem, but a waiter can be exposed
> to quite a lot.
>
>> I also understand that cigar smoke can be very offensive to many
>> people and do my very best to be considerate of their comfort and
>> health concerns.
> Thanks, I can't stand it either. Now, a pipe is something different,
> even if I'm a non-smoker.
>
> Would that be a proper time to re-introduce the idea of smoking clubs?
> You know, something to read, a cognac, some fellows to talk to over
> The Times and so on?

> Volker

That is indeed happening.

The zealots are doing their best to prevent that under the guise of employee
safety so that's often a hurdle which must be cleared (volunteers, etc..).

bernie




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Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:57:11 -0600, "btorvik2"
> <[email protected]> writted:
>
>> Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's a lot of conventional thinking, but I don't see it happening.
>>> It would simply be taxed to the verge of being affordable, and those
>>> would still resort to crime to subsidise their habit.
>>>
>> We're doing that to cigarettes and I don't see the crime rate rising
>> because of that.
>
> Cigarettes are still cheap everywhere, and very readily available.
>
> Compare the price of them to other drugs like heroin, speed, and
> cocaine.
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I believe the average retail price of a pack of cigarettes in New Jersey is
now over $6 a pack.

It was 25 cents a pack when I first started smoking.

Even considering my age that's a pretty hefty increase.

Wisconsin's Gov. Doye is proposing a $500 million dollar increase in the
cigarette tax in his current budget proposal.

They're not that cheap anymore and who knows how much the price of drugs
would decrease if they were legalized (at least until they started the tax
increases :-) ).

bernie

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Bob Ward wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:57:11 -0600, "btorvik2" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's a lot of conventional thinking, but I don't see it happening.
>>> It would simply be taxed to the verge of being affordable, and those
>>> would still resort to crime to subsidise their habit.
>>>
>> We're doing that to cigarettes and I don't see the crime rate rising
>> because of that.
>>
>>
>> bernie
>
>
> But hopefully the death rate (which is the stated objective) will
> continue to fall.

That would be nice, but I suspect the death rate will remain at 100%.

bernie..yes, I know what you meant. :-)

bernie


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