On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:44:06 +0700, pickle wrote:

    >
    > > --
    >> Marie Lewis
    >> On the contrary, he's got it right in perspective
    >> It's the French who have been painfully thick and they deserve to feel the
    > full impact of a backlash
    >> I shall be doing my bit to kick em in the balls as hard as I can !
    > Say Hey !!
    >
    > That will be difficult to do. french don't have any balls !!

Don't you think it took balls to stand against the immense pressure that
the US applied to them?

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:13:11 +0000, Raymond Chuang wrote:

    > "ronin" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Shows what you know - France has been using the Euro for two years now,
    > and
    >> thanks to the SC 'electing' your moron Bush, it has shot up from $0.78 to
    >> $1.10 since 2000.
    >
    > Psst!! The Euro is still undervalued. According to what I know, when the
    > Euro was introduced it was supposed to be €1.00=US$1.14. It still hasn't
    > reached returned to that point.


That does not necessarily mean it's undervalued however. Up to a couple
of months ago, I would have argued that a reasonable rate (not under- or
overvalued) would be in the EUR .90 - EUR 1.0 to the USD.

However, in view of the massive US public deficit that's looming as a
direct result of the inept Bush economic policy, plus the looming
recession, the USD has been seriuouly weakened.

Good thing from our standpoint is the CAD is not following the path of the
USD. Nor apparently is the Canadian economy following the US. Althouh I
confess I have trouble understanding why.

"pickle" skrev i meddelandet
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    > Go take a flying ****
?????
french >corrisonant !!
corrisonant ??????

You ****ed up french people
????????

    > perfumes, you stinkin ****ing frogs !! ****ed up big time the last time
    > around. **** your elf and total products, in fact, anything that resembles
    > france (frog ville).
You seem to have some personal problems of sexual nature. Try therapy as a
start.
    > Given the option, I'd rather eat soul food with sand niggers in the desert
    > of Oman
Sand niggers ??? You have a clue of where Oman is ?

Wow,, what about in Canada, the french really made them self known there.
They wasted million upon millions of tax payers dollars and embarrassed the
country globally. The french can be morons if they want to then after their
failed attempt at something they just nestle back under the umbrella of the
country that feeds them. Then have never added anything economically to
Canada and have drawn and complained and threatened for so long. Canada
really wishes they would put up or shut up.







"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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    > "[AGW]Pist" a écrit dans le message de news:
    > [email protected]...
    > > France HAD control of how they did NOT want
    > > to support the U.S. and Britain.
    > Yes, but that really didn't affect anything, anywhere. France doesn't
have
    > a great deal of influence in the world.

"tuuk" skrev i meddelandet
news:ikzna.7923$h%[email protected]...
    > Wow,, what about in Canada, the french really made them self known there.
    > They wasted million upon millions of tax payers dollars and embarrassed
the
    > country globally. The french can be morons if they want to then after
their
    > failed attempt at something they just nestle back under the umbrella of
the
    > country that feeds them. Then have never added anything economically to
    > Canada and have drawn and complained and threatened for so long. Canada
    > really wishes they would put up or shut up.
Do France have control over Canada ???
Another confused person.

On 17 Apr 2003 02:54:12 -0700, [email protected] (Yokie_Joe)
wrote:

    >Emil Nitrate wrote in message news:...
    >> In message [email protected]
    >> (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Emil Nitrate wrote:
    >> >> "Sjoerd" wrote:
    >> >>> Tourism from the US to the UK is down by more than tourism from the US to
    >> >>> France.
    >> >>
    >> >> Most Americans book their trips several months in advance. Don't
    >> >> expect that trend to continue long.
    >> >
    >> >How does that explain that tourism from the US to the UK is down by more
    >> >than tourism from the US to France?
    >> >
    >> >miguel
    >>
    >> The American dollar has had more strength against the franc than the
    > ^^^^^
    >You mean the Euro - € not the franc. And the Euro is improving against the dollar.

If Chirac gets his way, the Euro will be renamed the Franc.

I think the Canadians really know how the french are first hand. Canada has
been forced to deal with french tears and childish attempts to divide a
country. french have threatened to separate from the country if they do not
get their title of sovereign society in Canada. They wasted a lot of tax
payers money, had a corrupt vote, harassed English speaking citizens within
that province, really embarrassed Canada globally. Then Canada told them to
put up or shut up and they didn't get what they wanted but didn't leave the
country. Still under the umbrella, still receiving welfare and social
assistance. So french are not out for global peace, stability, freedom, they
are out for themselves and only their own selfish interests.
I work with a french guy, he feels so embarrassed and ashamed for how is
ethnic people are doing. He is a real nice guy but is stuck with his accent
that he is desperately trying to lose.













"Great" wrote in message
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    > Or it could be the crow that killed the Mad Elephant?
    > "Magda" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:26:37 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, Doug Burke
    > > arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this
    > :
    > >
    > >
    > > ... > We'll have more choices at better prices. :-))
    > > ...
    > > ... I guess that's why Chirac called Bush yesterday (not the other way
    > around). Just to tell him
    > > ... that. Well said Magda.Doug Burke
    > > ...
    > >
    > > Still full of yourself, Doug ?
    > > Reminds me of the frog who wanted to be as big as the bull...
    > >

Oh my god, that is really THE most stupid thing I have heard in a very long
time, even in here. Can anyone really be THAT stupid as to make such a
remark? One can only hope that it was meant to be a (completely failed)
joke!



"scott" wrote in message
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    > On 17 Apr 2003 02:54:12 -0700, [email protected] (Yokie_Joe)
    > wrote:
    > >Emil Nitrate wrote in message
news:...
    > >> In message [email protected]
    > >> (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Emil Nitrate wrote:
    > >> >> "Sjoerd" wrote:
    > >> >>> Tourism from the US to the UK is down by more than tourism from the
US to
    > >> >>> France.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Most Americans book their trips several months in advance. Don't
    > >> >> expect that trend to continue long.
    > >> >
    > >> >How does that explain that tourism from the US to the UK is down by
more
    > >> >than tourism from the US to France?
    > >> >
    > >> >miguel
    > >>
    > >> The American dollar has had more strength against the franc than the
    > > ^^^^^
    > >You mean the Euro - ? not the franc. And the Euro is improving against
the dollar.
    > >
    > If Chirac gets his way, the Euro will be renamed the Franc.

"pickle" wrote in message
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    > "Great" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > What will happen is that all over Arab land and many other
    > > places in the world French products will be used over American
    > > products wherever possible
    > >
    > > If some starts French Cola it will be an instant hit.
    > >
    > > Say Hey !!
    > Your name is *horseshit and gunsmoke* Take a lip lock on my yanqui ****
    > stick !!

Shows how mean you are.
When you could not argue you are using profane languages.
If you are supporting EVIL then you cannot win an argument.
If you support EVIL then you life won't be fulfiling.
When you understand that the occupation of Iraq has
no justification then only you will start winning in life.

"pickle" wrote in message
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    > "Great" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > If the US people are boycotting French products
    > > then whose loss is it anyway?
    > > If Americans donnot want to enjoy French products
    > > let the rest of the world enjoy Them.
    > > Anyway they are no so useless and costly like
    > > American Pizzas, Cola, Cellphones(Which cause
    > > damage to the brain cells) American News Channels.
    > > Is Americans boycott Fench products it is loss to the Americans
    > > If others boycott useless American products then it gain to them
    > > and a loss again to Americans.
    > >
    > Say Hey Greatless !!
    > Go take a flying **** at a rolling french corrisonant !! You eat dat shit
??
    > I don't !! Boycotting french products, and french (frogs) is only
America's
    > gain and not loss !! You ****ed up french people continue to lose face, no
    > balls, your head and asses are interchangeable. Still coming up with new
    > perfumes, you stinkin ****ing frogs !! ****ed up big time the last time
    > around. **** your elf and total products, in fact, anything that resembles
    > france (frog ville).

Blah Blah Blah Bla Bla Bla
    > Given the option, I'd rather eat soul food with sand niggers in the desert
    > of Oman then converse with a frenchman !!

amp_spamfree wrote:
    >>> (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
    >>>> How does that explain that tourism from the US to the UK is down by more
    >>>> than tourism from the US to France?
    > I'm still wondering where Miguel got these data.

I copied it from the message I quoted from. The message you in turn quoted
was my first posting in this discussion.

miguel
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"Emil Nitrate wrote:

    > In message [email protected]
    > (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
    > >Emil Nitrate wrote:
    > >> "Sjoerd" wrote:
    > >>> Tourism from the US to the UK is down by more than tourism from the US
to
    > >>> France.
    > >>
    > >> Most Americans book their trips several months in advance. Don't
    > >> expect that trend to continue long.
    > >
    > >How does that explain that tourism from the US to the UK is down by more
    > >than tourism from the US to France?
    > >
    > >miguel
    > The American dollar has had more strength against the franc than the
    > pound. Americans who have little morals, like the french, will most
    > likely continue to go after the cheap "european" vacation in france,
    > but these people seldom spend the type of money the serious tourists
    > do. Although, they will be able to buy a lot more french junk as your
    > economy evaporates.


Does that mean (considering the exchange rate thingy) that USAin's who visit
Canada are the most morally louche of all....??????

--
Best
Greg

GW wrote:

    > Oh my god, that is really THE most stupid thing I have heard in a very
long
    > time, even in here. Can anyone really be THAT stupid as to make such a
    > remark? One can only hope that it was meant to be a (completely failed)
    > joke!


No sillier than this, I suppose:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...649651,00.html

April 17, 2003

Convention backs Blair's plan for EU presidency

From Rosemary Bennett in Athens

TONY BLAIR's plans for a powerful new full-time president of Europe look set
to become reality after the man charged with drafting a European Union
constitution backed the project yesterday.
Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, the former French President who chairs the
convention on Europe's future, supported the EU's biggest member states who
argue that the Union needs a president if it is to punch its weight on the
international stage.

However, well-organised opposition from the EU's small states, which have
joined forces with the ten new entrants from Central and Eastern Europe,
means that weeks of horsetrading lie ahead.

The smaller countries want to stick with the system under which each member
state has six months as EU president.

But M Giscard made his views clear after protracted talks with leaders
gathered in Athens to sign the treaty ushering in the ten new members. Asked
how many countries opposed the idea of a president, he said: "When you
assess these positions, one thing to take into account is the number of
states. But we also have to take into account their populations, because we
operate in a democratic way here. And the majority of the population is in
favour of a somewhat more stable president."

He also noted that two smaller states, Denmark and Sweden, had just swung
behind the idea, which originated in London but was first publicly proposed
by President Chirac of France. A new president would be elected by heads of
government of EU members and would hold office for five years. The creation
of such a post would help to settle the decades-old question posed by Henry
Kissinger of whom to call in Europe in an emergency. It could also help to
prevent a repetition of the bitter arguments that erupted over Iraq, which
overshadowed proceedings yesterday.

Mr Blair has been linked to the new post, which, conveniently, is likely to
come into being in 2006, a year or so after the next general election. Fogh
Rasmussen, the Danish Prime Minister, and José María Aznar, the Spanish
Prime Minister, have also been suggested as prospective candidates.

The new president would be supported by a new foreign minister, who would
report to the European Commission and EU heads of government. All members
agreed yesterday to go ahead with creating the new post, which is likely to
combine the present roles of Chris Patten, the External Relations
Commissioner, and Javier Solana, the foreign policy chief, who is answerable
to the EU's member states.

M Giscard is due to present further articles of the draft constitution to
senior members of the convention next week. His officials hope that the
small countries can be won over with concessions in other areas of the
convention, including proposed reforms to the European Commission.

The leaders of 17 old and new members discussed their terms for a deal at a
breakfast meeting yesterday.

They are likely to press for the new foreign minister to be a creature of
the Commission, the institution that they feel best represents and protects
their interests. However, Britain, France and Germany have made clear that
they believe that foreign policy is a matter for national governments, as
Iraq illustrated, and Britain for one will oppose that.

M Giscard has only 2½ months to reach a broad consensus among 105
ministerial and parliamentary representatives to meet the end-of-June
deadline. After that, the new constitution must be agreed unanimously by all
members, giving the smaller countries considerable clout.

The two-day Athens summit made some progress on the question of the number
of EU commissioners after enlargement. New entrants agreed that in the
future they could not all expect to have a commissioner each and some form
of rotation would have to be arranged, although initially they will all have
their own commissioner.

Plans for an EU congress of national MPs and MEPs look set to be shelved.

"amp_spamfree" wrote in message
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    > "ronin" wrote in message
news:...
    > > "Emil Nitrate" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > In message [email protected]
    > > > (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
    > > >
    > > > >Emil Nitrate wrote:
    > > > >> "Sjoerd" wrote:
    > > > >>> Tourism from the US to the UK is down by more than tourism from
the US
    > > to
    > > > >>> France.
    > > > >>
    > > > >> Most Americans book their trips several months in advance. Don't
    > > > >> expect that trend to continue long.
    > > > >
    > > > >How does that explain that tourism from the US to the UK is down by
more
    > > > >than tourism from the US to France?
    > I'm still wondering where Miguel got these data. The emplanements of
    > US flagged carriers at CDG may have see less of a decline than LHR (at
    > least based on transportaition sector European data), but I can't see
    > why this automatically means that tourist traffic is down less.
    > > > >miguel
    > > >
    > > > The American dollar has had more strength against the franc than the
    > > > pound. Americans who have little morals, like the french, will most
    > > > likely continue to go after the cheap "european" vacation in france,
    > > > but these people seldom spend the type of money the serious tourists
    > > > do. Although, they will be able to buy a lot more french junk as your
    > > > economy evaporates.
    > >
    > > Shows what you know - France has been using the Euro for two years now,
and
    > > thanks to the SC 'electing' your moron Bush, it has shot up from $0.78
to
    > > $1.10 since 2000.
    > My data don't show this to be true - in fact, on April 17, 2000, the
    > Dollar/Euro was 1.04 and on the same date in 1999 it was 0.93. In
    > 2002, it was 1.13. In 1995 (in the middle of the Clinton boom) it was
    > 0.75 to the dollar (based on the mathematical model) - in 2000, it
    > hovered around 1 to 1.
    > Seems the low point of the dollar coincided with the Clinton
    > administrations successes in the first three years in office - 1995.
    > If you want to suggest that currency devaluation is indicative of
    > moronic government, might I suggest Mr. Clinton?
    > > It's not the French economy that's evaporating...
    > Too funny. It almost sounds like you are suggesting that relative
    > exchange rates are singularly appropriate proxies for economic growth?

Greenspan feels the same way as I do about this.


    > How familiar are you with the current economic indicators for France,
    > the Eurozone, and the US? Considering the previous data, I would
    > hazard a guess - not very?

"scott" wrote in message
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    > On 17 Apr 2003 02:54:12 -0700, [email protected] (Yokie_Joe)
    > wrote:
    > >Emil Nitrate wrote in message
news:...
    > >> In message [email protected]
    > >> (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Emil Nitrate wrote:
    > >> >> "Sjoerd" wrote:
    > >> >>> Tourism from the US to the UK is down by more than tourism from the
US to
    > >> >>> France.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Most Americans book their trips several months in advance. Don't
    > >> >> expect that trend to continue long.
    > >> >
    > >> >How does that explain that tourism from the US to the UK is down by
more
    > >> >than tourism from the US to France?
    > >> >
    > >> >miguel
    > >>
    > >> The American dollar has had more strength against the franc than the
    > > ^^^^^
    > >You mean the Euro - ? not the franc. And the Euro is improving against
the dollar.
    > >
    > If Chirac gets his way, the Euro will be renamed the Franc.


WTF are you talking about?