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Eddy Apr 16th 2003 5:51 am

France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
U.S. Boycott Being Felt, French Say
Wine Sales Off Sharply; Other Products Affected

By Robert J. McCartney
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, April 16, 2003; Page A32


PARIS, April 15 -- An American backlash against French products and
businesses has started to bite, dashing hopes here that appeals in the
United States to punish France economically for opposing the war in
Iraq would go unheeded.

American importers of French wine are reporting sharp drops in sales
in the past two months, and other French products also have been
affected. The Federation of Wine Exporters has called a meeting
Thursday to discuss how to respond.

The nation's principal business federation took the unusual step of
publicly acknowledging the problem, conceding today that sales,
recruitment and business contacts have been hurt. It appealed to
consumers and businesses to keep political differences from affecting
commerce.

"Certain French enterprises are suffering today from the differences
that have arisen among states over the Iraqi question," the Movement
of French Enterprises (Medef) said. "It is necessary to say to those
who are unhappy with the positions of French diplomacy that they are
free to criticize, but they must keep products and services of our
enterprises outside their quarrel."

Medef President Ernest-Antoine Seilliere said at a news conference
that the effects were "measured" but that contracts had been lost
because of anti-French feeling in the United States. He declined to
identify the companies affected.

The business federation provided no figures on the effect on French
exports to the United States, which last year were valued at $28.4
billion.

The French government and business community had hoped that U.S.
"francophobia" would dissipate quickly without hurting trade. Both
fear that French companies will be excluded from contracts in
rebuilding Iraq.

The widespread view in Paris had been that calls in the U.S. media and
from some politicians for commercial retaliation against the French
were having little or no effect.

The news that the boycott is significant will also increase pressure
on President Jacques Chirac from business and some members of his
party to mend relations with Washington. Chirac's government has toned
down its antiwar talk, and French officials have emphasized the need
for pragmatism and moderation regarding sensitive issues such as how
postwar Iraq is to be governed.

Chirac telephoned President Bush yesterday. The leaders, speaking for
the first time in two months, had what U.S. aides characterized as a
"businesslike" conversation.

The French Foreign Ministry today declined to comment on the French
business federation's statement, saying the government didn't respond
to private declarations. French officials, speaking on the condition
of anonymity, reiterated their previous position that they didn't
expect any significant reduction of business with the United States.
They noted that while American tourism in France is down by about 20
percent, it had dropped even more in Britain, whose troops also fought
in Iraq.

The American backlash apparently is having little or no impact on
business with Germany, the other major European country that actively
opposed the war. A survey by the Association of German Chambers of
Commerce and Industry of more than 300 German companies doing business
in the United States found no effect.

"It could be that France's position is considered to be fundamental,
and ours is considered to be more or less an accident, in connection
with the elections we had last autumn," said Michael Rogowski,
president of the Federation of German Industries in Berlin. He
referred to Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's exploitation of antiwar
sentiment to win reelection in September.

German business groups and the German Embassy in the United States
have scheduled a meeting in Washington next month with U.S. businesses
and politicians to try to make sure that no difficulties arise in
U.S.-German trade.

U.S. importers of French products said the effect has been
significant. Guillaume Touton, a Frenchman who is president of wine
distributor Monsieur Touton Selection Ltd. in New York, said
anti-French feeling cost him $500,000 in sales last month. French
wines usually account for two-thirds of his business, but now his
customers, mostly retail stores, want something else.

"Typically, the guy says, 'No, I don't want French wine. Give me
Spanish wine, Italian wine,' " said Touton, who has an office in
Capitol Heights, Md.

W.J. Deutsch & Sons Ltd. of White Plains, N.Y. -- the No. 1 U.S.
importer of French wines, as measured by cases shipped -- said its
sales dropped 10 percent in the past two months. Bill Deutsch, its
president, wouldn't divulge specific figures but said his sales were
down by hundreds of thousands of dollars.

"We have seen French wines decreasing," Deutsch said. "We've seen
stores take French wines off the floor of their store. We've seen
major chains stop the advertising of French wines in their weekly
ads." He reported substantial increases in sales of Italian,
Australian and Spanish wines.

Patricia Carreras, president of IC&A Inc., a home-decor business in
New York that imports exclusively French products, said sales have
been down 40 to 50 percent since February. Her small firm, with four
employees, sells Limoges porcelain, hand-painted candles picturing
Parisian scenes, and other French-oriented products to big mail-order
houses and other large U.S. companies.

"It's a very, very deep reaction," said Carreras, who is French. "We
would never have expected something so lasting. I think it has been
accelerating even in the last four weeks."

The importers, angry and frustrated, said the government in Paris did
not comprehend the effect of its war position on French businesses.

Touton has tried to fight the trend by pledging to give $1 for every
case of wine he sells to the USO to help U.S. troops in Iraq. He has
done it for two weeks but it hasn't helped much. He said he thinks
that business will pick up only when Chirac stops making anti-U.S.
statements.

"We want to send the message to the French side to please do
something. Or, if you don't want to do anything, then please shut up,"
Touton said.


© 2003 The Washington Post Company

Magda Apr 16th 2003 6:47 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:51:55 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, eddy arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :

... U.S. Boycott Being Felt, French Say
... Wine Sales Off Sharply; Other Products Affected

Chic, alors !

We'll have more choices at better prices. :-))

Ian Millward Apr 16th 2003 7:48 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
In my paper this morning there was an article saying that visitor numbers
from the US were 11% down in Paris because of the significant downturn in
the US economy over the previous 6 months.

It seems like Paris in the Spring is a much better proposition for the rest
of us then.

Who said war was all bad?

Ian Millward Apr 16th 2003 7:48 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
In my paper this morning there was an article saying that visitor numbers
from the US were 11% down in Paris because of the significant downturn in
the US economy over the previous 6 months.

It seems like Paris in the Spring is a much better proposition for the rest
of us then.

Who said war was all bad?

Pist Apr 16th 2003 8:46 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:48:50 +0100, "Ian Millward"
wrote:

    >In my paper this morning there was an article saying that visitor numbers
    >from the US were 11% down in Paris because of the significant downturn in
    >the US economy over the previous 6 months.
    >It seems like Paris in the Spring is a much better proposition for the rest
    >of us then.
    >Who said war was all bad?
France should have thought about all this shit before the war.
**** 'em.

Marie Lewis Apr 16th 2003 9:17 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
In article , eddy
writes
    >U.S. Boycott Being Felt, French Say
    >Wine Sales Off Sharply; Other Products Affected
-

(load of stuff deleted)
    >© 2003 The Washington Post Company
Not to worry: we are buying lots of French wine. And cheese. And Bonne
Maman jams. And anything else we have get.
--
Marie Lewis

Marie Lewis Apr 16th 2003 9:17 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
In article , Ian Millward
writes
    >In my paper this morning there was an article saying that visitor numbers
    >from the US were 11% down in Paris because of the significant downturn in
    >the US economy over the previous 6 months.
    >It seems like Paris in the Spring is a much better proposition for the rest
    >of us then.
    >Who said war was all bad?
Hurray!
--
Marie Lewis

Marie Lewis Apr 16th 2003 9:18 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
In article , "[AGW]Pist"
writes
    >>In my paper this morning there was an article saying that visitor numbers
    >>from the US were 11% down in Paris because of the significant downturn in
    >>the US economy over the previous 6 months.
    >>It seems like Paris in the Spring is a much better proposition for the rest
    >>of us then.
    >>Who said war was all bad?
    >France should have thought about all this shit before the war.
    >**** 'em.


This "person" obviously is a thick as the proverbial two short planks.
--
Marie Lewis

Mxsmanic Apr 16th 2003 9:48 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
There's a lot more to the French economy than wine and tourism, so I'm not
too worried.

"Magda" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:51:55 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, eddy
arranged
    > some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ... U.S. Boycott Being Felt, French Say
    > ... Wine Sales Off Sharply; Other Products Affected
    > Chic, alors !
    > We'll have more choices at better prices. :-))

Mxsmanic Apr 16th 2003 9:49 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
"Ian Millward" a écrit dans le message de
news: [email protected]...

    > In my paper this morning there was an article
    > saying that visitor numbers from the US were 11%
    > down in Paris because of the significant downturn in
    > the US economy over the previous 6 months.

Yes, the numbers were down long before the war in Iraq. Americans stayed
away in 2002 because they were scared; now they stay away because they are
broke. And they are more broke than they were scared.

    > It seems like Paris in the Spring is a much
    > better proposition for the rest of us then.

Sunny with blue skies and 73 degrees Fahrenheit today, with a breeze. This
weather is expected to last at least all week.

Eddy Apr 16th 2003 9:50 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:17:16 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:

    >In article , eddy
    > writes
    >>U.S. Boycott Being Felt, French Say
    >>Wine Sales Off Sharply; Other Products Affected
    >-
    >(load of stuff deleted)
    >>© 2003 The Washington Post Company
    >Not to worry: we are buying lots of French wine. And cheese. And Bonne
    >Maman jams. And anything else we have get.

we can only hope that your liver has a short life and the cheese
causes you bone loss.

Mxsmanic Apr 16th 2003 9:50 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
"[AGW]Pist" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...

    > France should have thought about all this
    > shit before the war.

France had no control over the world economy or international terrorists.

Magda Apr 16th 2003 9:58 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:50:14 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, eddy arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :

... On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:17:16 +0100, Marie Lewis
... wrote:
... >>
... >Not to worry: we are buying lots of French wine. And cheese. And Bonne
... >Maman jams. And anything else we have get.
...
... we can only hope that your liver has a short life and the cheese
... causes you bone loss.

Calcium causes bone loss ?
LOL

Lennart Petersen Apr 16th 2003 10:28 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
"Ian Millward" skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > In my paper this morning there was an article saying that visitor numbers
    > from the US were 11% down in Paris because of the significant downturn in
    > the US economy over the previous 6 months.
But how many of the total visitors are from US ? And how much is those 11%
of the total?
In Sweden the US visitors counts for 3% only of the total so a loss of 10%
isn't visible.
But no doubt traveling in all relations seem to be affected for the moment
although the charter operators reported a significant increase of bookings
when the war turned out to be short.
Most lossmaking destinations from here are US -34%,Egypt -28%,Turkey-23%.
Greek,Cyprus are other destinations being reduced.

Wolfgang Schwanke Apr 16th 2003 10:30 am

Re: France Being Shafted By THE BOYCOT
 
You'll be glad to learn that there are people in Europe calling for a
boycott of American and British products. Those are probably the same
people that called for a boycott of French products a couple of years back
because of the atom bomb tests. I'm trying to follow all of this, but I'm
getting dizzy. You political correct folks of the world sure change your
targets fast.

--
It's The Economy, Stupid


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