Favorite country?
Apr 12th 2007 | 9:39 pm
#61
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
On 13 apr, 11:26, Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2007 02:02:38 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
> electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On 13 apr, 10:31, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... > Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
> ... >
> ... > >Quite sensible expatriates have gone back to UK because they couldn't take
> ... > >German bureaucracy.
> ... >
> ... > I didn't find the total amount of bureaucracy to be much different.
> ... > It's just the distribution of it that takes some getting used to.
> ...
> ... A (male) friend of mine got married to a German woman, in Austria (are
> ... you following?). To satisfy the German authorities he went to the
> ... British Embassy to get a "certificate of non-marriage". Of course no
> ... such thing exists in Britain, so they made him swear an oath on a
> ... picture of Margaret Thatcher, and gave him a bit of paper to say he
> ... wasn't married, and so could get married to his fiancee. However, this
> ... was not sufficient for the Germans, who demanded a certificate that he
> ... was not only not married to a woman, but also not married to a man.
>
> Homosexual marriage was valid when Maggie Thatcher was around??
Two points:
The issue was that it was valid in Germany even though not in Britain.
In any case I was just making a little joke that the Embassy-droids
still worshipped the Virgin Margaret even after she was deposed.
B;
> On 13 Apr 2007 02:02:38 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
> electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On 13 apr, 10:31, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... > Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
> ... >
> ... > >Quite sensible expatriates have gone back to UK because they couldn't take
> ... > >German bureaucracy.
> ... >
> ... > I didn't find the total amount of bureaucracy to be much different.
> ... > It's just the distribution of it that takes some getting used to.
> ...
> ... A (male) friend of mine got married to a German woman, in Austria (are
> ... you following?). To satisfy the German authorities he went to the
> ... British Embassy to get a "certificate of non-marriage". Of course no
> ... such thing exists in Britain, so they made him swear an oath on a
> ... picture of Margaret Thatcher, and gave him a bit of paper to say he
> ... wasn't married, and so could get married to his fiancee. However, this
> ... was not sufficient for the Germans, who demanded a certificate that he
> ... was not only not married to a woman, but also not married to a man.
>
> Homosexual marriage was valid when Maggie Thatcher was around??
Two points:
The issue was that it was valid in Germany even though not in Britain.
In any case I was just making a little joke that the Embassy-droids
still worshipped the Virgin Margaret even after she was deposed.
B;
Apr 12th 2007 | 9:43 pm
#62
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
On 13 Apr 2007 02:39:30 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>The issue was that it was valid in Germany even though not in Britain.
>In any case I was just making a little joke that the Embassy-droids
>still worshipped the Virgin Margaret even after she was deposed.
Or, as some of us used to say at the time, "If the answer is Maggie
Thatcher then it has to be a bloody stupid question."
Keith, Bristol, UK
>The issue was that it was valid in Germany even though not in Britain.
>In any case I was just making a little joke that the Embassy-droids
>still worshipped the Virgin Margaret even after she was deposed.
Or, as some of us used to say at the time, "If the answer is Maggie
Thatcher then it has to be a bloody stupid question."
Keith, Bristol, UK
Apr 12th 2007 | 9:54 pm
#63
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> In any case I was just making a little joke that the Embassy-droids
> still worshipped the Virgin Margaret even after she was deposed.
My personal experience is that the members of the Diplomatic Service loathed
Margret Thatcher for being the Petty Bourgeois that she undoubtedly was.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> In any case I was just making a little joke that the Embassy-droids
> still worshipped the Virgin Margaret even after she was deposed.
My personal experience is that the members of the Diplomatic Service loathed
Margret Thatcher for being the Petty Bourgeois that she undoubtedly was.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Apr 12th 2007 | 9:59 pm
#64
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
On 13 Apr 2007 02:39:30 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
electrons, so they looked like this:
... On 13 apr, 11:26, Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
... > On 13 Apr 2007 02:02:38 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
... > electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On 13 apr, 10:31, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ... > Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
... > ... >
... > ... > >Quite sensible expatriates have gone back to UK because they couldn't take
... > ... > >German bureaucracy.
... > ... >
... > ... > I didn't find the total amount of bureaucracy to be much different.
... > ... > It's just the distribution of it that takes some getting used to.
... > ...
... > ... A (male) friend of mine got married to a German woman, in Austria (are
... > ... you following?). To satisfy the German authorities he went to the
... > ... British Embassy to get a "certificate of non-marriage". Of course no
... > ... such thing exists in Britain, so they made him swear an oath on a
... > ... picture of Margaret Thatcher, and gave him a bit of paper to say he
... > ... wasn't married, and so could get married to his fiancee. However, this
... > ... was not sufficient for the Germans, who demanded a certificate that he
... > ... was not only not married to a woman, but also not married to a man.
... >
... > Homosexual marriage was valid when Maggie Thatcher was around??
...
... Two points:
...
... The issue was that it was valid in Germany even though not in Britain.
When was homosexual marriage valid in Germany?
... In any case I was just making a little joke that the Embassy-droids
... still worshipped the Virgin Margaret even after she was deposed.
Ok, which year was that?
electrons, so they looked like this:
... On 13 apr, 11:26, Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
... > On 13 Apr 2007 02:02:38 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
... > electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On 13 apr, 10:31, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ... > Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
... > ... >
... > ... > >Quite sensible expatriates have gone back to UK because they couldn't take
... > ... > >German bureaucracy.
... > ... >
... > ... > I didn't find the total amount of bureaucracy to be much different.
... > ... > It's just the distribution of it that takes some getting used to.
... > ...
... > ... A (male) friend of mine got married to a German woman, in Austria (are
... > ... you following?). To satisfy the German authorities he went to the
... > ... British Embassy to get a "certificate of non-marriage". Of course no
... > ... such thing exists in Britain, so they made him swear an oath on a
... > ... picture of Margaret Thatcher, and gave him a bit of paper to say he
... > ... wasn't married, and so could get married to his fiancee. However, this
... > ... was not sufficient for the Germans, who demanded a certificate that he
... > ... was not only not married to a woman, but also not married to a man.
... >
... > Homosexual marriage was valid when Maggie Thatcher was around??
...
... Two points:
...
... The issue was that it was valid in Germany even though not in Britain.
When was homosexual marriage valid in Germany?
... In any case I was just making a little joke that the Embassy-droids
... still worshipped the Virgin Margaret even after she was deposed.
Ok, which year was that?
Apr 12th 2007 | 10:13 pm
#65
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
and in Vienna, ALWAYS check that you're not obstructing a
> cycle path as you open a kerb-side car door .
That goes big time in cycle heaven Berlin.
I embedded the chain ring of my recumbent trike in the inside of a car door
in a narrow street in the jewish quarter(near the gate) missed the drivers
wrist by a whisker one of the few cases where a cyclist almost injured a car
driver.
Incidentally I ve been runover twice by cyclists in Berlin-cannot jump out
the way.
Tom
> cycle path as you open a kerb-side car door .
That goes big time in cycle heaven Berlin.
I embedded the chain ring of my recumbent trike in the inside of a car door
in a narrow street in the jewish quarter(near the gate) missed the drivers
wrist by a whisker one of the few cases where a cyclist almost injured a car
driver.
Incidentally I ve been runover twice by cyclists in Berlin-cannot jump out
the way.
Tom
Apr 12th 2007 | 10:13 pm
#66
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:43:16 +0100, Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 13 Apr 2007 02:39:30 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>The issue was that it was valid in Germany even though not in Britain.
>>In any case I was just making a little joke that the Embassy-droids
>>still worshipped the Virgin Margaret even after she was deposed.
>
>Or, as some of us used to say at the time, "If the answer is Maggie
>Thatcher then it has to be a bloody stupid question."
LOL
Parking problem or another cut price package holiday?
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/2937/napvedoze1.jpg
--
Martin
>On 13 Apr 2007 02:39:30 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>The issue was that it was valid in Germany even though not in Britain.
>>In any case I was just making a little joke that the Embassy-droids
>>still worshipped the Virgin Margaret even after she was deposed.
>
>Or, as some of us used to say at the time, "If the answer is Maggie
>Thatcher then it has to be a bloody stupid question."
LOL
Parking problem or another cut price package holiday?
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/2937/napvedoze1.jpg
--
Martin
Apr 13th 2007 | 12:29 am
#67
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
[email protected] wrote:
>
> A (male) friend of mine got married to a German woman, in Austria (are
> you following?). To satisfy the German authorities he went to the
> British Embassy to get a "certificate of non-marriage". Of course no
> such thing exists in Britain, so they made him swear an oath on a
> picture of Margaret Thatcher, and gave him a bit of paper to say he
> wasn't married, and so could get married to his fiancee. However, this
> was not sufficient for the Germans, who demanded a certificate that he
> was not only not married to a woman, but also not married to a man.
> Another trip to the Embassy, another 100 Euros lighter in pocket.
>
When my son (resident in the US) married in Scotland, he and his fiancee
had to go to the British Consulate with a pile of documents - their
intent to marry was posted there, and when no objections were received,
they paid for a certificate to that effect, which was needed before
banns could be posted in Scotland.
>
> A (male) friend of mine got married to a German woman, in Austria (are
> you following?). To satisfy the German authorities he went to the
> British Embassy to get a "certificate of non-marriage". Of course no
> such thing exists in Britain, so they made him swear an oath on a
> picture of Margaret Thatcher, and gave him a bit of paper to say he
> wasn't married, and so could get married to his fiancee. However, this
> was not sufficient for the Germans, who demanded a certificate that he
> was not only not married to a woman, but also not married to a man.
> Another trip to the Embassy, another 100 Euros lighter in pocket.
>
When my son (resident in the US) married in Scotland, he and his fiancee
had to go to the British Consulate with a pile of documents - their
intent to marry was posted there, and when no objections were received,
they paid for a certificate to that effect, which was needed before
banns could be posted in Scotland.
Apr 13th 2007 | 3:39 am
#68
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
> "The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
> >>lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
> >>side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
> >>left dents in it. Nice shooting chums. Still, not everyone can say
> >>they've been shot by shotguns and survived. Lucky the damn stuff spent
> >>most of its momentum before it hit me.
> >
> > funnily enough that happened to me in UK. However, a phone call
> > elicited police with dogs (and I assume armed response) within 10
> > minutes and I wasn't even on a public road. They took it *very*
> > seriously.
>
> The police in the UK take every report of a firearm seriously.
>
> Which is why they're dead scared that one day they're going to shoot dead a
> child with a toy gun.
They shot one for carrying a table leg a few years ago.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> "The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
> >>lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
> >>side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
> >>left dents in it. Nice shooting chums. Still, not everyone can say
> >>they've been shot by shotguns and survived. Lucky the damn stuff spent
> >>most of its momentum before it hit me.
> >
> > funnily enough that happened to me in UK. However, a phone call
> > elicited police with dogs (and I assume armed response) within 10
> > minutes and I wasn't even on a public road. They took it *very*
> > seriously.
>
> The police in the UK take every report of a firearm seriously.
>
> Which is why they're dead scared that one day they're going to shoot dead a
> child with a toy gun.
They shot one for carrying a table leg a few years ago.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 13th 2007 | 3:39 am
#69
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
> William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
> > >>lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
> > >>side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
> > >>left dents in it. Nice shooting chums. Still, not everyone can say
> > >>they've been shot by shotguns and survived. Lucky the damn stuff spent
> > >>most of its momentum before it hit me.
> > >
> > > funnily enough that happened to me in UK. However, a phone call
> > > elicited police with dogs (and I assume armed response) within 10
> > > minutes and I wasn't even on a public road. They took it *very*
> > > seriously.
> >
> > The police in the UK take every report of a firearm seriously.
> >
> > Which is why they're dead scared that one day they're going to shoot dead a
> > child with a toy gun.
>
> They shot one for carrying a table leg a few years ago.
An adult, not a child- sorry.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
> > >>lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
> > >>side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
> > >>left dents in it. Nice shooting chums. Still, not everyone can say
> > >>they've been shot by shotguns and survived. Lucky the damn stuff spent
> > >>most of its momentum before it hit me.
> > >
> > > funnily enough that happened to me in UK. However, a phone call
> > > elicited police with dogs (and I assume armed response) within 10
> > > minutes and I wasn't even on a public road. They took it *very*
> > > seriously.
> >
> > The police in the UK take every report of a firearm seriously.
> >
> > Which is why they're dead scared that one day they're going to shoot dead a
> > child with a toy gun.
>
> They shot one for carrying a table leg a few years ago.
An adult, not a child- sorry.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 13th 2007 | 3:41 am
#70
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to Keith Anderson <[email protected]> :
>
> >On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:48:02 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Quite sensible expatriates have gone back to UK because they couldn't take
> >>German bureaucracy.
> >
> >I may be doing some language teaching (amongst other things) over
> >there, but the local English Language Teachers Association has good
> >advice about tax returns and other such gut-wrenching matters and run
> >a series of workshops to help people deal with it all.
> >
> >I remember the last time I worked there for a German company, rushing
> >around from the place to place to get a stamp from the Finanzamt
> >saying I'd paid my taxes .... and then going to another Amt on the
> >other side of the city to get some of that tax refunded....and then
> >somewhere else besides. Still, I survived to tell the tale!
>
> Also relevant is what do Germans have to do when they come to work in the
> UK? There's a lot of red-tape that only foreigners see, the locals don't
> see it because one way or another they are already in the "system".
My partner had very little red tape moving from the US to the UK. I
certainly haven't had many complaints from EU residents living and
working here in terms of red-tape. It seems pretty easy. You present
your passport to your employer and call up the social security office to
get a NI number.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Following up to Keith Anderson <[email protected]> :
>
> >On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:48:02 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Quite sensible expatriates have gone back to UK because they couldn't take
> >>German bureaucracy.
> >
> >I may be doing some language teaching (amongst other things) over
> >there, but the local English Language Teachers Association has good
> >advice about tax returns and other such gut-wrenching matters and run
> >a series of workshops to help people deal with it all.
> >
> >I remember the last time I worked there for a German company, rushing
> >around from the place to place to get a stamp from the Finanzamt
> >saying I'd paid my taxes .... and then going to another Amt on the
> >other side of the city to get some of that tax refunded....and then
> >somewhere else besides. Still, I survived to tell the tale!
>
> Also relevant is what do Germans have to do when they come to work in the
> UK? There's a lot of red-tape that only foreigners see, the locals don't
> see it because one way or another they are already in the "system".
My partner had very little red tape moving from the US to the UK. I
certainly haven't had many complaints from EU residents living and
working here in terms of red-tape. It seems pretty easy. You present
your passport to your employer and call up the social security office to
get a NI number.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 13th 2007 | 3:44 am
#71
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:39:33 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
>> >>lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
>> >>side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
>> >>left dents in it. Nice shooting chums. Still, not everyone can say
>> >>they've been shot by shotguns and survived. Lucky the damn stuff spent
>> >>most of its momentum before it hit me.
>> >
>> > funnily enough that happened to me in UK. However, a phone call
>> > elicited police with dogs (and I assume armed response) within 10
>> > minutes and I wasn't even on a public road. They took it *very*
>> > seriously.
>>
>> The police in the UK take every report of a firearm seriously.
>>
>> Which is why they're dead scared that one day they're going to shoot dead a
>> child with a toy gun.
>
>They shot one for carrying a table leg a few years ago.
He wasn't a child.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
>> >>lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
>> >>side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
>> >>left dents in it. Nice shooting chums. Still, not everyone can say
>> >>they've been shot by shotguns and survived. Lucky the damn stuff spent
>> >>most of its momentum before it hit me.
>> >
>> > funnily enough that happened to me in UK. However, a phone call
>> > elicited police with dogs (and I assume armed response) within 10
>> > minutes and I wasn't even on a public road. They took it *very*
>> > seriously.
>>
>> The police in the UK take every report of a firearm seriously.
>>
>> Which is why they're dead scared that one day they're going to shoot dead a
>> child with a toy gun.
>
>They shot one for carrying a table leg a few years ago.
He wasn't a child.
--
Martin
Apr 13th 2007 | 3:45 am
#72
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:39:33 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
> >> >>lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
> >> >>side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
> >> >>left dents in it. Nice shooting chums. Still, not everyone can say
> >> >>they've been shot by shotguns and survived. Lucky the damn stuff spent
> >> >>most of its momentum before it hit me.
> >> >
> >> > funnily enough that happened to me in UK. However, a phone call
> >> > elicited police with dogs (and I assume armed response) within 10
> >> > minutes and I wasn't even on a public road. They took it *very*
> >> > seriously.
> >>
> >> The police in the UK take every report of a firearm seriously.
> >>
> >> Which is why they're dead scared that one day they're going to shoot dead a
> >> child with a toy gun.
> >
> >They shot one for carrying a table leg a few years ago.
>
> He wasn't a child.
I know- I actually meant to write someone, but send it off to fast.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:39:33 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
> >> >>lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
> >> >>side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
> >> >>left dents in it. Nice shooting chums. Still, not everyone can say
> >> >>they've been shot by shotguns and survived. Lucky the damn stuff spent
> >> >>most of its momentum before it hit me.
> >> >
> >> > funnily enough that happened to me in UK. However, a phone call
> >> > elicited police with dogs (and I assume armed response) within 10
> >> > minutes and I wasn't even on a public road. They took it *very*
> >> > seriously.
> >>
> >> The police in the UK take every report of a firearm seriously.
> >>
> >> Which is why they're dead scared that one day they're going to shoot dead a
> >> child with a toy gun.
> >
> >They shot one for carrying a table leg a few years ago.
>
> He wasn't a child.
I know- I actually meant to write someone, but send it off to fast.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 13th 2007 | 3:47 am
#73
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:41:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Following up to Keith Anderson <[email protected]> :
>>
>> >On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:48:02 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Quite sensible expatriates have gone back to UK because they couldn't take
>> >>German bureaucracy.
>> >
>> >I may be doing some language teaching (amongst other things) over
>> >there, but the local English Language Teachers Association has good
>> >advice about tax returns and other such gut-wrenching matters and run
>> >a series of workshops to help people deal with it all.
>> >
>> >I remember the last time I worked there for a German company, rushing
>> >around from the place to place to get a stamp from the Finanzamt
>> >saying I'd paid my taxes .... and then going to another Amt on the
>> >other side of the city to get some of that tax refunded....and then
>> >somewhere else besides. Still, I survived to tell the tale!
>>
>> Also relevant is what do Germans have to do when they come to work in the
>> UK? There's a lot of red-tape that only foreigners see, the locals don't
>> see it because one way or another they are already in the "system".
>
>My partner had very little red tape moving from the US to the UK. I
>certainly haven't had many complaints from EU residents living and
>working here in terms of red-tape. It seems pretty easy. You present
>your passport to your employer and call up the social security office to
>get a NI number.
Both my kids have full UK passports. Both had to attend an interview to get a NI
number. My daughter attended three, conducted by a tosser who was an
ex-detective of the worst type. His manager apologised for the tossers conduct.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Following up to Keith Anderson <[email protected]> :
>>
>> >On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:48:02 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Quite sensible expatriates have gone back to UK because they couldn't take
>> >>German bureaucracy.
>> >
>> >I may be doing some language teaching (amongst other things) over
>> >there, but the local English Language Teachers Association has good
>> >advice about tax returns and other such gut-wrenching matters and run
>> >a series of workshops to help people deal with it all.
>> >
>> >I remember the last time I worked there for a German company, rushing
>> >around from the place to place to get a stamp from the Finanzamt
>> >saying I'd paid my taxes .... and then going to another Amt on the
>> >other side of the city to get some of that tax refunded....and then
>> >somewhere else besides. Still, I survived to tell the tale!
>>
>> Also relevant is what do Germans have to do when they come to work in the
>> UK? There's a lot of red-tape that only foreigners see, the locals don't
>> see it because one way or another they are already in the "system".
>
>My partner had very little red tape moving from the US to the UK. I
>certainly haven't had many complaints from EU residents living and
>working here in terms of red-tape. It seems pretty easy. You present
>your passport to your employer and call up the social security office to
>get a NI number.
Both my kids have full UK passports. Both had to attend an interview to get a NI
number. My daughter attended three, conducted by a tosser who was an
ex-detective of the worst type. His manager apologised for the tossers conduct.
--
Martin
Apr 13th 2007 | 3:55 am
#74
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:45:38 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:39:33 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
>> >> >>lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
>> >> >>side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
>> >> >>left dents in it. Nice shooting chums. Still, not everyone can say
>> >> >>they've been shot by shotguns and survived. Lucky the damn stuff spent
>> >> >>most of its momentum before it hit me.
>> >> >
>> >> > funnily enough that happened to me in UK. However, a phone call
>> >> > elicited police with dogs (and I assume armed response) within 10
>> >> > minutes and I wasn't even on a public road. They took it *very*
>> >> > seriously.
>> >>
>> >> The police in the UK take every report of a firearm seriously.
>> >>
>> >> Which is why they're dead scared that one day they're going to shoot dead a
>> >> child with a toy gun.
>> >
>> >They shot one for carrying a table leg a few years ago.
>>
>> He wasn't a child.
>
>I know- I actually meant to write someone, but send it off to fast.
I answered too fast I saw your correction after I posted.
In 1973 there was an Asian kid in UK shot by the police in a stupid political
protest that went wrong. The same year as I was passing a bank in central
Munich when a 15 year old kid with an imitation gun trying to rob a bank was
shot dead by the police.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:39:33 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >William Black <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
>> >> >>lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
>> >> >>side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
>> >> >>left dents in it. Nice shooting chums. Still, not everyone can say
>> >> >>they've been shot by shotguns and survived. Lucky the damn stuff spent
>> >> >>most of its momentum before it hit me.
>> >> >
>> >> > funnily enough that happened to me in UK. However, a phone call
>> >> > elicited police with dogs (and I assume armed response) within 10
>> >> > minutes and I wasn't even on a public road. They took it *very*
>> >> > seriously.
>> >>
>> >> The police in the UK take every report of a firearm seriously.
>> >>
>> >> Which is why they're dead scared that one day they're going to shoot dead a
>> >> child with a toy gun.
>> >
>> >They shot one for carrying a table leg a few years ago.
>>
>> He wasn't a child.
>
>I know- I actually meant to write someone, but send it off to fast.
I answered too fast I saw your correction after I posted.
In 1973 there was an Asian kid in UK shot by the police in a stupid political
protest that went wrong. The same year as I was passing a bank in central
Munich when a 15 year old kid with an imitation gun trying to rob a bank was
shot dead by the police.
--
Martin
Apr 13th 2007 | 3:56 am
#75
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Favorite country?
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:41:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >My partner had very little red tape moving from the US to the UK. I
> >certainly haven't had many complaints from EU residents living and
> >working here in terms of red-tape. It seems pretty easy. You present
> >your passport to your employer and call up the social security office to
> >get a NI number.
>
> Both my kids have full UK passports. Both had to attend an interview to
> get a NI number. My daughter attended three, conducted by a tosser who was
> an ex-detective of the worst type. His manager apologised for the tossers
> conduct.
It's not a surprise that they'd have to attend an interview for the NI
number, though I don't know the mechanism for getting one automatically-
I take it they don't get it sent to NL if that's where they lived on
turning 18? An apology to your daughter was certainly in order. Our
experience was the opposite- I went with my partner because sometimes
he's not so good at this kind of thing. The chap who interviewed him was
very pleasant, and filled out the form for him. In fact, he mentioned in
passing that he quite enjoyed the whole thing, because he has to put up
with a lot of crap in his job- often with very angry people demanding to
know what's happened to their benefit money, etc.- he seemed pretty
sympathetic. There was a little glitch inthe application, apparently,
but I only know that because he called us to leave a message saying the
application had been returned, but he'd 'sorted it out.' So, probably
some bad people work there too, as your daughter found out, but we were
lucky to get one of the good ones. Similarly, I'm found the tax people
very good here, but I've heard of horror stories with them too.
Our immigration experience was also very positive- though I did resent
the cost of it...
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:41:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >My partner had very little red tape moving from the US to the UK. I
> >certainly haven't had many complaints from EU residents living and
> >working here in terms of red-tape. It seems pretty easy. You present
> >your passport to your employer and call up the social security office to
> >get a NI number.
>
> Both my kids have full UK passports. Both had to attend an interview to
> get a NI number. My daughter attended three, conducted by a tosser who was
> an ex-detective of the worst type. His manager apologised for the tossers
> conduct.
It's not a surprise that they'd have to attend an interview for the NI
number, though I don't know the mechanism for getting one automatically-
I take it they don't get it sent to NL if that's where they lived on
turning 18? An apology to your daughter was certainly in order. Our
experience was the opposite- I went with my partner because sometimes
he's not so good at this kind of thing. The chap who interviewed him was
very pleasant, and filled out the form for him. In fact, he mentioned in
passing that he quite enjoyed the whole thing, because he has to put up
with a lot of crap in his job- often with very angry people demanding to
know what's happened to their benefit money, etc.- he seemed pretty
sympathetic. There was a little glitch inthe application, apparently,
but I only know that because he called us to leave a message saying the
application had been returned, but he'd 'sorted it out.' So, probably
some bad people work there too, as your daughter found out, but we were
lucky to get one of the good ones. Similarly, I'm found the tax people
very good here, but I've heard of horror stories with them too.
Our immigration experience was also very positive- though I did resent
the cost of it...
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
