On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:12:20 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

>> we find it easy here. No doubt a few slip through, the gun clubs would
>> probably report an alcoholic to protect themselves. You just have to
>> overcome the American obsession with freedom at any cost. Who needs
>> the freedom to shoot people?
>
>You can only see one side (of so many things),

thats a laugh coming from you. As for protecting myself I dont need to
do that here, ask yourself why you "need" a gun to do it where you are
(not that it works).
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:20:27 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>Even then, the specifics of what you can actually do about it get
>>>a bit sticky
>>
>>not here they don't.
>
>Were we tlaking about there?

as a comparison.
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:05:47 +0100, The Reid <[email protected]>
wrote:

I meant it wasn't true legislation *didint* stop people acquiring
guns.
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Make credence recognised that on Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:01:59 GMT, Alan S
<[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:55:21 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Make credence recognised that on Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:08:56 +0100, The
>>Reid <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>
>>>On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:57:23 -0700, Icono Clast <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Legislation doesn't stop people acquiring guns.
>>>>
>>>>That's true but I believe the USA has the highest rate of gun
>>>>violence in the known universe.
>>>
>>>I don't think it is true
>>
>>In the developed world is what he meant. I think South Africa would
>>give it a run for its money.
>>--
>>---
>>DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
>>---
>
>Or even the rest of Africa and much of the Middle East.

Then I wouldn't consider those parts 'developed'.
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"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:50:18 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news[email protected]. ..
>>
>>> How many owners and users of automatic weapons have a gun licence in UK?
>>
>>If you mean 'automatic weapons' to mean machine guns then there are
>>several
>>hundred 'Section 6' license holders, mainly weapons dealers in weapons to
>>foreign governments.
>>
>>If you mean autoloading weapons, there are tens of thousands of them.
>
> I mean automatic weapons.
>
>>
>>I think what you actually mean are auto loading pistols.
>>
>>Several hundred people and institutions hold these for a variety of
>>reasons.
>>
>>Your local MFH will have a pistol, so will the vet that attends your
>>local
>>racecourse.
>>
>>It's not even that hard to get legal training in the use of such weapons,
>>just sign up for a bodyguarding course at an institution that teaches
>>armed
>>guards, they're not uncommon in the UK...
>>
>>Of course it's expensive...
>
> I mean the sort, who use them to kill civilians. The sort who can buy an
> automatic weapon for GBP50 and don't give a toss about licences.

1. The police are 'civilians'.

2. Where can you buy an automatic weapon for £50? The cheapest of them
cost double that to make.

3. Don't try and pretend that you can pick up a machine gun on any street
corner in Moss Side, you can't. Incredible as it sounds it is in no-one's
interests, including the drug dealers, to have machine guns freely
available in the UK.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

The Reid wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:19:07 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Did get shot by hunters, this being the gun-happy USA. Small public
>> lake, they were shooting at ducks flying over, I was on the other
>> side. No big problem because I was wearing a jacket, but the pellets
>> left dents in it.

as would acorns falling out of a tree.

>> Lucky the damn stuff spent most of its momentum before it hit me.

luck had nothing to do with it... just the laws of physics.

the local public (county owned) skeet range FACES A ROAD a few hundred
yards away... but shotguns firing skeet loads (very small shot) won't
reach the road.


--
To live outside the law, you must be honest.
(Bob Dylan - Absolutely Sweet Marie - Blonde on Blonde - 1966)

Go Fig schrieb:
> In article <[email protected]>, The Reid
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:01:23 -0400, "Sarah Banick"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> But how do you know someone is an alcoholic? Do we take their own word for
>>> it? Get a sworn avadavit from a judge? Also, a person can be an alcohol even
>>> if he/she hasn't touched a drop for 20 years....do we expect them to still
>>> make mistakes?
>> Bush? Yes.
>>
>> Sorry chap shot :-)
>>
>>> I agree with your premise, but in an open society it is really hard to draw
>>> those lines.
>> we find it easy here. No doubt a few slip through, the gun clubs would
>> probably report an alcoholic to protect themselves. You just have to
>> overcome the American obsession with freedom at any cost. Who needs
>> the freedom to shoot people?
>
> You can only see one side (of so many things), what about the freedom
> to protect yourself......
IMHO if you need to protect yourself other than by paying the police and
installing locks for insurance reasons, something is wrong with the system.

Lots of Greetings!
Volker
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:14:27 +0200, Volker Hetzer
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> You can only see one side (of so many things), what about the freedom
>> to protect yourself......

>IMHO if you need to protect yourself other than by paying the police and
>installing locks for insurance reasons, something is wrong with the system.

very wrong.
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:14:27 +0200, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Go Fig schrieb:
>> In article <[email protected]>, The Reid
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:01:23 -0400, "Sarah Banick"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But how do you know someone is an alcoholic? Do we take their own word for
>>>> it? Get a sworn avadavit from a judge? Also, a person can be an alcohol even
>>>> if he/she hasn't touched a drop for 20 years....do we expect them to still
>>>> make mistakes?
>>> Bush? Yes.
>>>
>>> Sorry chap shot :-)
>>>
>>>> I agree with your premise, but in an open society it is really hard to draw
>>>> those lines.
>>> we find it easy here. No doubt a few slip through, the gun clubs would
>>> probably report an alcoholic to protect themselves. You just have to
>>> overcome the American obsession with freedom at any cost. Who needs
>>> the freedom to shoot people?
>>
>> You can only see one side (of so many things), what about the freedom
>> to protect yourself......
>IMHO if you need to protect yourself other than by paying the police and
>installing locks for insurance reasons, something is wrong with the system.

There is a lot wrong with the system. The police sit in offices instead of
patrolling on foot. In one part of the north of England there are 800 police
officers but only 16 available to handle emergency calls.
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Martin