European food cultures
Apr 8th 2005 | 11:48 pm
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Re: European food cultures
Two popular paella dishes in Newark, NJ are paella velenciana and
paella marinera.
paella marinera.
Apr 8th 2005 | 11:56 pm
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On 9 Apr 2005 03:58:42 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
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>She cooked OK actually- it's school food I was primarily on about. And
>don't get me started on hospital food either (didn't Oliver target that
>as well?) :-0
The worst hospital food I have eaten in recent years was in Germany.
The cold dishes were o.k., but hot stuff tasted as if it was cooked in
brine.
I survived on pizzas delivered from a local pizzeria. I still lost
5kg. in weight in two weeks.
The surgeon told me that complaining was hopeless. Each complaint
resulted in even more salt being used.
wrote:
>She cooked OK actually- it's school food I was primarily on about. And
>don't get me started on hospital food either (didn't Oliver target that
>as well?) :-0
The worst hospital food I have eaten in recent years was in Germany.
The cold dishes were o.k., but hot stuff tasted as if it was cooked in
brine.
I survived on pizzas delivered from a local pizzeria. I still lost
5kg. in weight in two weeks.
The surgeon told me that complaining was hopeless. Each complaint
resulted in even more salt being used.
Apr 9th 2005 | 12:15 am
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Following up to Jordi
>Indeed. The quality of paella decreases dramatically out of their
>'homeland' although close to everyone in Spain will tell that 'their
>paella is better than in Valencia'.
>In my experience Andalusian and Catalan paellas have been the absolute
>worst, with unbelievable ingredients in (chorizo and olives, to name a
>few of the worst) and obscenely baroque.
I don't know what you will make of this, it agrees with you on
the olives....
A Catalan Cookery Book - Irving Davis (1969)
"half a chicken cut in small pieces, some cutlets of pork, two
cuttlefish, pound of mussels, small crayfish per person, cup of
rice per person, oil, two to three onions finely chopped, pound
of peeled tomatos, 1/4 pound peas or french beans. This is the
classical catalan paella, which, I think, can easily be made in
england....you can if you like add a pimento. In fact, in my
opinion, you can anything you like to the paella, but never
olives."
I must try and find V S Prichard(?) passage on encountering arroz
negro for the first time in "Marching Spain".
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>Indeed. The quality of paella decreases dramatically out of their
>'homeland' although close to everyone in Spain will tell that 'their
>paella is better than in Valencia'.
>In my experience Andalusian and Catalan paellas have been the absolute
>worst, with unbelievable ingredients in (chorizo and olives, to name a
>few of the worst) and obscenely baroque.
I don't know what you will make of this, it agrees with you on
the olives....
A Catalan Cookery Book - Irving Davis (1969)
"half a chicken cut in small pieces, some cutlets of pork, two
cuttlefish, pound of mussels, small crayfish per person, cup of
rice per person, oil, two to three onions finely chopped, pound
of peeled tomatos, 1/4 pound peas or french beans. This is the
classical catalan paella, which, I think, can easily be made in
england....you can if you like add a pimento. In fact, in my
opinion, you can anything you like to the paella, but never
olives."
I must try and find V S Prichard(?) passage on encountering arroz
negro for the first time in "Marching Spain".
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Apr 9th 2005 | 7:33 am
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The Reids wrote:
> I plead guilty. I put chorizo in my paella sometimes, but I eat
> it behind closed doors with consenting adults. But I do have a
> stock of vine prunings to cook one on outdoors sometime.g
> --
There are many interesting rice plates with chorizo/morcilla on them,
arròs al forn/arroz al horno is in some ways similar to paella,
although oven cooked. Apart from the rice and colour includes pork
loin, potatoes, chorizo, morcilla and pumpkin.
The situation of paella is very similar to that of pizza in Italy, to
the point that finding 'proper' paella is extremely difficult even
around Valencia.
Seafood paella is a relatively recent (50s) invention for the
Madridian, then foreign tourists coming to the coast which quickly
expanded to the rest of tourist areas. Catalans already had by then
sort of a version, most restaurants in Barcelona still have paella in
their 'menú del dÃa' on thursdays. There were already some fish-rice
plates (arroz negro, arrossejat, arròs a banda, etc.) but the market
demanded fish and paella, so they just had to invent it.
Of course, the best paella in the world is the one my grandmother
makes, but I wouldn't like that to be widely known :)
J.
> I plead guilty. I put chorizo in my paella sometimes, but I eat
> it behind closed doors with consenting adults. But I do have a
> stock of vine prunings to cook one on outdoors sometime.g
> --
There are many interesting rice plates with chorizo/morcilla on them,
arròs al forn/arroz al horno is in some ways similar to paella,
although oven cooked. Apart from the rice and colour includes pork
loin, potatoes, chorizo, morcilla and pumpkin.
The situation of paella is very similar to that of pizza in Italy, to
the point that finding 'proper' paella is extremely difficult even
around Valencia.
Seafood paella is a relatively recent (50s) invention for the
Madridian, then foreign tourists coming to the coast which quickly
expanded to the rest of tourist areas. Catalans already had by then
sort of a version, most restaurants in Barcelona still have paella in
their 'menú del dÃa' on thursdays. There were already some fish-rice
plates (arroz negro, arrossejat, arròs a banda, etc.) but the market
demanded fish and paella, so they just had to invent it.
Of course, the best paella in the world is the one my grandmother
makes, but I wouldn't like that to be widely known :)
J.
Apr 10th 2005 | 8:02 am
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Thomas wrote:
> > Ireland and UK are "potato and beer cultures".
> > Italy is I suppose a wheat and wine culture.
> > Spain, I cant decide, certainly wine.
> > France: potato and wine?
> > Can anyone draw a word map of the dominance of the potato, rice
> > or wheat through Europe, along with beer and wine?
> Look at any decent Italian cookbook, and it is really only the south
where
> Wheat (Pasta, bread) is the main culture.
> Up North it is much more potato/rice that prevails.
On a similar note, there is a pass in the north of Tuscany, passo della
Cisa, known as the olive oil/lard border! Lard in the north, olive oil
in the south...luckily I'm below the olive oil line!
> > Ireland and UK are "potato and beer cultures".
> > Italy is I suppose a wheat and wine culture.
> > Spain, I cant decide, certainly wine.
> > France: potato and wine?
> > Can anyone draw a word map of the dominance of the potato, rice
> > or wheat through Europe, along with beer and wine?
> Look at any decent Italian cookbook, and it is really only the south
where
> Wheat (Pasta, bread) is the main culture.
> Up North it is much more potato/rice that prevails.
On a similar note, there is a pass in the north of Tuscany, passo della
Cisa, known as the olive oil/lard border! Lard in the north, olive oil
in the south...luckily I'm below the olive oil line!
Apr 10th 2005 | 11:53 am
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The Reids wrote:
>
> Following up to Arri London
>
> >LOL look again. The word was 'pallet'. The poster clearly has taken
> >exception to English pallets for whatever reason LOL.
>
> pallets, food and the weather. I'm surprised they bothered to
> build stonehenge, its so cloudy here!
> --
> Mike Reid
LOL! It's meant to attract the aliens. Didn't you know that each
monolith emits radiation at a frequency undetectable by ESA/NASA ?
>
> Following up to Arri London
>
> >LOL look again. The word was 'pallet'. The poster clearly has taken
> >exception to English pallets for whatever reason LOL.
>
> pallets, food and the weather. I'm surprised they bothered to
> build stonehenge, its so cloudy here!
> --
> Mike Reid
LOL! It's meant to attract the aliens. Didn't you know that each
monolith emits radiation at a frequency undetectable by ESA/NASA ?
Apr 10th 2005 | 12:29 pm
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Like China, wheat and spuds in cooler places, rice in warmer climates.
You'll find climate-based food differences in any country large enough
to have different climates. Isn't northern Italy big on butter and
dairy, and the south uses olive oil?
Why do you think they use hickory wood for BBQ in the southeastern US
and mesquite in Texas - because that's what they have a lot of.
You'll find climate-based food differences in any country large enough
to have different climates. Isn't northern Italy big on butter and
dairy, and the south uses olive oil?
Why do you think they use hickory wood for BBQ in the southeastern US
and mesquite in Texas - because that's what they have a lot of.
Apr 10th 2005 | 5:13 pm
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On 10 Apr 2005 17:29:08 -0700, "Louis Cohen" <[email protected]>
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>Like China, wheat and spuds in cooler places, rice in warmer climates.
>You'll find climate-based food differences in any country large enough
>to have different climates. Isn't northern Italy big on butter and
>dairy, and the south uses olive oil?
Erm... no, the north is bigger on olive oil that butter. True they use
butter here, but olive oil is far more common.
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wrote:
>Like China, wheat and spuds in cooler places, rice in warmer climates.
>You'll find climate-based food differences in any country large enough
>to have different climates. Isn't northern Italy big on butter and
>dairy, and the south uses olive oil?
Erm... no, the north is bigger on olive oil that butter. True they use
butter here, but olive oil is far more common.
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Apr 10th 2005 | 7:40 pm
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Following up to yaofeng
> spanish sausages and the like are also skimpy.
there shouldnt be any chorizo. Perhaps its like pizza, Americans
want it loaded with extra ingredients?
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> spanish sausages and the like are also skimpy.
there shouldnt be any chorizo. Perhaps its like pizza, Americans
want it loaded with extra ingredients?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Apr 10th 2005 | 7:40 pm
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Following up to dgs
>> Avoid guides that accept paid entries and advertising, The CAMRA
>> guide for instance, does not.
>CAMRA does accept paid sponsorships, such as the Cask Marque
>organisation.
but the pubs are chosen by unpaid volunteers.
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>> Avoid guides that accept paid entries and advertising, The CAMRA
>> guide for instance, does not.
>CAMRA does accept paid sponsorships, such as the Cask Marque
>organisation.
but the pubs are chosen by unpaid volunteers.
--
Mike Reid
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Apr 10th 2005 | 7:40 pm
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Following up to Arri London
>> pallets, food and the weather. I'm surprised they bothered to
>> build stonehenge, its so cloudy here!
>LOL! It's meant to attract the aliens. Didn't you know that each
>monolith emits radiation at a frequency undetectable by ESA/NASA ?
NASA should employ a few new age twats, they can feel the vibe,
man. Or something.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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>> pallets, food and the weather. I'm surprised they bothered to
>> build stonehenge, its so cloudy here!
>LOL! It's meant to attract the aliens. Didn't you know that each
>monolith emits radiation at a frequency undetectable by ESA/NASA ?
NASA should employ a few new age twats, they can feel the vibe,
man. Or something.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Apr 10th 2005 | 7:40 pm
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Following up to Deep Foiled Malls
> Isn't northern Italy big on butter and
>>dairy, and the south uses olive oil?
>Erm... no, the north is bigger on olive oil that butter. True they use
>butter here, but olive oil is far more common.
but butter come into play in the north, as it does in Spain.
--
Mike Reid
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> Isn't northern Italy big on butter and
>>dairy, and the south uses olive oil?
>Erm... no, the north is bigger on olive oil that butter. True they use
>butter here, but olive oil is far more common.
but butter come into play in the north, as it does in Spain.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Apr 10th 2005 | 7:41 pm
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:53:09 -0600, Arri London <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The Reids wrote:
>>
>> Following up to Arri London
>>
>> >LOL look again. The word was 'pallet'. The poster clearly has taken
>> >exception to English pallets for whatever reason LOL.
>>
>> pallets, food and the weather. I'm surprised they bothered to
>> build stonehenge, its so cloudy here!
>> --
>> Mike Reid
>LOL! It's meant to attract the aliens. Didn't you know that each
>monolith emits radiation at a frequency undetectable by ESA/NASA ?
Always wear an ESA/NASA designed DIY aluminium kitchen foil protective
helmet, when in the vicinity of Stonehenge, there are no recorded
incidents of ESA staff abduction.
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wrote:
>The Reids wrote:
>>
>> Following up to Arri London
>>
>> >LOL look again. The word was 'pallet'. The poster clearly has taken
>> >exception to English pallets for whatever reason LOL.
>>
>> pallets, food and the weather. I'm surprised they bothered to
>> build stonehenge, its so cloudy here!
>> --
>> Mike Reid
>LOL! It's meant to attract the aliens. Didn't you know that each
>monolith emits radiation at a frequency undetectable by ESA/NASA ?
Always wear an ESA/NASA designed DIY aluminium kitchen foil protective
helmet, when in the vicinity of Stonehenge, there are no recorded
incidents of ESA staff abduction.
--
It's not it's, it's its.
http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/m...phe.htm#plural
Apr 10th 2005 | 8:38 pm
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:40:51 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Arri London
>>> pallets, food and the weather. I'm surprised they bothered to
>>> build stonehenge, its so cloudy here!
>>LOL! It's meant to attract the aliens. Didn't you know that each
>>monolith emits radiation at a frequency undetectable by ESA/NASA ?
>NASA should employ a few new age twats, they can feel the vibe,
>man. Or something.
Looking for a job with ESA, Mike? :-)
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMGMZUZJND_index_0.html
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Arri London
>>> pallets, food and the weather. I'm surprised they bothered to
>>> build stonehenge, its so cloudy here!
>>LOL! It's meant to attract the aliens. Didn't you know that each
>>monolith emits radiation at a frequency undetectable by ESA/NASA ?
>NASA should employ a few new age twats, they can feel the vibe,
>man. Or something.
Looking for a job with ESA, Mike? :-)
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMGMZUZJND_index_0.html
--
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Apr 10th 2005 | 8:43 pm
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:40:52 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Deep Foiled Malls
>> Isn't northern Italy big on butter and
>>>dairy, and the south uses olive oil?
>>Erm... no, the north is bigger on olive oil that butter. True they use
>>butter here, but olive oil is far more common.
>but butter come into play in the north, as it does in Spain.
How far north are you talking about? Where's the dividing line?
From my experience of working and eating in and around Turin and Milan
I agree with DFM
--
It's not it's, it's its.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Deep Foiled Malls
>> Isn't northern Italy big on butter and
>>>dairy, and the south uses olive oil?
>>Erm... no, the north is bigger on olive oil that butter. True they use
>>butter here, but olive oil is far more common.
>but butter come into play in the north, as it does in Spain.
How far north are you talking about? Where's the dividing line?
From my experience of working and eating in and around Turin and Milan
I agree with DFM
--
It's not it's, it's its.
http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/m...phe.htm#plural
