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Old Apr 5th 2005, 10:13 pm
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The Reids
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn

    >> I think the correct advice for UK is the foods fine but avoid
    >> bottom end US style fast food chains and street food, I cant
    >> think of any street food here I would want to eat.
    >Depends where. At a market near where I live, the street food includes
    >black peas, steamed baby potatoes and black pudding. Really tasty.

Yes, there are stalls in Borough market doing good food, very
much the exception though?
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Old Apr 5th 2005, 10:22 pm
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Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Following up to yaofeng
    >
    > >There is only one word to describe the paella in Spain, atrocious.
    >
    > In a tourist restaurant away from the part of Spain it belongs,
    > sometimes less than perfect. A Spanish restaurateur said the
    > same. But I have rarely had *any* "atrocious" food in Spain.
    > My most enjoyable arroz was in a little locals bar in the paddy
    > fields of the Ebro delta, a simple abanda. If they cant cook
    > rice, who can?

Latin americans!

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Old Apr 5th 2005, 10:22 pm
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Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
    >
    > >> I think the correct advice for UK is the foods fine but avoid
    > >> bottom end US style fast food chains and street food, I cant
    > >> think of any street food here I would want to eat.
    > >
    > >Depends where. At a market near where I live, the street food includes
    > >black peas, steamed baby potatoes and black pudding. Really tasty.
    >
    > Yes, there are stalls in Borough market doing good food, very
    > much the exception though?

Yes, but I wouldn't judge UK food from bad food stalls any more than I'd
judge Parisian cuisine from McDonalds. (And, McDonalds in Paris always
seem pretty full whenever I've looked in!

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Old Apr 5th 2005, 10:35 pm
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Following up to Deep Foiled Malls
    >
    > >>That's rubbish. There is nothing wrong with British produce,
    > >>enough gets exported to France and Spain, its preparation where
    > >>it might fall down.
    > >
    > >How can the British afford to export any primary produce with the
    > >value of the pound?
    >
    > because the French and spanish think the seafood is worth paying
    > for? You see Spanish lorries loading at the keyside in the
    > Hebrides, given the prices in Spain, how does it work for them?

Also, the cockle picking tragedy a while back made it clear that these
were generally for export, as they're not used much in the UK.

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Old Apr 5th 2005, 10:40 pm
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Following up to Mark Hewitt

    >> I have never actually seen a chip buttie, although
    >> i'm sure poor people eat them to fill up, at least in the past.
    >You are joking?!

no, never seen one.
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Old Apr 5th 2005, 11:26 pm
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Arri London wrote:
    > The Reids wrote:
    >> Icono Clast said:
    >>> Improper eating leads to obese people. I frequent buffets and
    >>> eat enormous quantities.
    >>
    >> for most people eating enormous quantities will lead to obesity,
    >> its simple, calories in v calories out. What is "improper
    >> eating"?
    >
    > To put it mathematically:
    >
    > calories in >> calories out = improper eating

Improper eating isn't what I really mean by "improper eating" as it
might cause obesity but it can also be eating that fails to provide
proper nutrition. One can eat foods that don't cause weight-gain
while also failing to provide proper nutrition.

I'll strive for greater clarity in future.

The formula should really read:
calories in >> calories out = excess weight (fat or obesity, etc.)


>> What is "improper eating"?

12/28/2004 02:34
[Bruno's] <http://www.brunoslive.com/> used to have
good food (now it's all deep fried and, therefore, inedible for any
but the narrow-arteried obese) but it has good music.


1/21/2005 03:57
[The restaurant has been at the same location for a very long time]

Cajun cuisine so good that it qualifies as a fair value but just barely.

We had an excellent appetizer of Asparagus; I had the Sole Stuffed
with Crab, she the Blackened Salmon. We shared a glass of wine; she
had a cuppa coffee.

The reason we had the asparagus appetizer was because when I asked
"what comes with that?" vegetables were not included. This is a
matter that bothers me as restaurants should provide the basics of a
balanced and healthful meal especially when the tab with toke is $80.

Vegetable-free meals are becoming so common that I often have some
for a pre-bed snack or as part of the next day's breakfast. This is
not a good thing.
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11/15/2004 01:45
Sarah Banick wrote:
    > [Cola producers use] different formulas around the world, modified
    > to the market. If you ever make it to the . . . Museum in Atlanta
    > (don't make a special trip), they have a tasting room with
    > concoctions from all their different countries.

I doubt that I've ever had a full portion of the stuff at one sitting
in my life. I consider it, and other cola drinks, to be vile,
unhealthful, swill that ought not be available to any non-adult.
Nevertheless, at the advertisement for which you have to pay in
Atlanta, there are probably more than a dozen versions of the stuff.
I tasted many, if not most, of them and was astonished at the
differences. Some, to US taste, are undrinkable.

Pete nospam wrote:
    > And if you want to have some fun with them, ask when they started
    > to remove cocaine from [their soda]. When [it] first was created,
    > it had a measurable amount of cocaine remaining in it. Not
    > enough to do much, but it was measurable.

I did ask and the answer was unblinkingly instantaneous. I think it
was 1902 but am not sure.
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3/15/2005 03:46
Mxsmanic wrote:
    > if you live alone and have to work for a living, you don't always
    > have a lot of time to spend on food preparation.

Doesn't have t'take "a lot of time".

A few weeks ago I prepared about a litre (I guess) of lentils with
rice and froze the lot in portion-size containers. Warms up nicely
and is one of the best sources of protein on the planet.

I believe tofu is a good source of protein that can probably be
enhanced by combining it with something complementary.

[Tofo is a complete protein that doesn't need a complement.]

My corner grocery sells hot-off-the-spit chicken for about U$4.50 and
throws in shredded cabbage, green and red hot sauces, tomato slices,
carrots, and chiles jalapeños. I always tell myself to "save half for
tomorrow" but I always devour the whole thing at one sitting, maybe
two or three of 'em a month.

There are many inexpensive cuts of meat that are good sources of
protein. I particularly like chuck steak.

Also in the freezer is a whole buncha patties I made of ground turkey
that fry nicely to become tasty burgers.

I avoid prepared packaged foods (haven't bought any in memory) as
they're usually high in salt, sugar, and/or fat and aren't very
healthful. They also contain preservatives and other chemicals that
might not be good to ingest in considerable quantity.

My life-long diet has consisted mostly of healthful foods properly
prepared. Of course I eat junk food and stuff that contains a lot of
unhealthful stuff but it's rare. The advantage of rarely having such
foods is that they're an extremely enjoyable treat.

I'm not a food freak; I believe that eating a wide variety of foods
provides all the nutrition one needs. I'm an old man. I do not have
any problems with weight (my Body Mass Index is lower than 25), I
take no pills, have no ills (in spite of smoking for longer than
fifty years have lung capacity measured to be equivalent to a man
aged 21) have blood pressure well below any reported danger level, a
cholesterol count at the maximum of OK, and often hear young dancers
say they "hope I'm as energetic as you when I'm your age".

I attribute it all to how I eat. My only eating "problem" is that I
consume enormous quantities -- buffets lose money when I visit. I'll
probably die tomorrow.
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Old Apr 6th 2005, 1:21 am
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 04:26:52 -0700, Icono Clast wrote:

    >> calories in >> calories out = improper eating
    >
    > Improper eating isn't what I really mean by "improper eating" as it
    > might cause obesity but it can also be eating that fails to provide
    > proper nutrition. One can eat foods that don't cause weight-gain
    > while also failing to provide proper nutrition.
    >
    > I'll strive for greater clarity in future.

But don't go as far as Mixi, please! ;-)
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Old Apr 6th 2005, 1:31 am
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"The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Following up to Mark Hewitt
    >>> I have never actually seen a chip buttie, although
    >>> i'm sure poor people eat them to fill up, at least in the past.
    >>You are joking?!
    > no, never seen one.

Put that right today. Get some chips, and some bread!
 
Old Apr 6th 2005, 1:40 am
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"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:15:37 +0100, The Reids wrote:
    >> I have never actually seen a chip buttie, although
    >> i'm sure poor people eat them to fill up, at least in the past.
    > They're brilliant. Especially when the butter runs down your wrist as you
    > eat it. On a par, if not better than sausage, bacon and fried-egg butties.
    > --
    > Tim C.
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I've only heard the term from perhaps the best source of British pop
culture --reruns of "Keeping Up Appearances."

A typical utterance from Onslow during his breakfast beer: I could murder a
bacon butty right about now!

Pablo
(Basking in the merits of educational television )
; )
 
Old Apr 6th 2005, 1:41 am
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Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn
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Mark Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Following up to Mark Hewitt
    > >
    > >>> I have never actually seen a chip buttie, although
    > >>> i'm sure poor people eat them to fill up, at least in the past.
    > >>
    > >>You are joking?!
    > >
    > > no, never seen one.
    >
    > Put that right today. Get some chips, and some bread!

Wot, no sauce?! :)

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Old Apr 6th 2005, 3:12 am
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    > I'll set out what I think for clarity!
    > In UK potato is dominant carbohydrate and will normally be the
    > only one, if another carb is used (say rice) the potato
    > disappears. I have never actually seen a chip buttie,

Crikey! How can you live in the UK for umpteen years and not......

although
    > i'm sure poor people eat them to fill up, at least in the past.
    > Some people might have chips with lasagne, but thats an
    > aberation.
Why? I'm pretty sure I've seen rice with shepherd's pie too. Even
"non-traditional" food gets in on the act, eg curry with rice AND naan
bread.
Appreciation of food is fairly new to the UK

I think it was appreciated to some extent pre-industrial Revolution, at
least among the more well-to-do. However I think what we are seeing is
a re-emergence of that appreciation.

and like
    > the US, food has changed drastically over the last 30 years. It
    > hasnt reached the bottom of the pile yet, hence Jamie Oliver and
    > his school dinners campaign.

Came 25 years too late for me :-)

Edmund
 
Old Apr 6th 2005, 3:19 am
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Pablo wrote:

    > "Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:1112699065.d84774e73fa7185d4fc921bde88a5266@t eranews...
    > > On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:15:37 +0100, The Reids wrote:
    > >
    > >> I have never actually seen a chip buttie, although
    > >> i'm sure poor people eat them to fill up, at least in the past.
    > >
    > > They're brilliant. Especially when the butter runs down your wrist
    > as you
    > > eat it. On a par, if not better than sausage, bacon and fried-egg
    > butties.
    > > --
    > > Tim C.
    > *
    > I've only heard the term from perhaps the best source of British pop
    > culture --reruns of "Keeping Up Appearances."
    > A typical utterance from Onslow during his breakfast beer: I could
    > murder a
    > bacon butty right about now!

I actually had to have the "nice bit o' crumpet" comment from "Are you
being served?" explained to me.
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    > Pablo
    > (Basking in the merits of educational television )
    > ; )
 
Old Apr 6th 2005, 7:05 am
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:21:34 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 04:26:52 -0700, Icono Clast wrote:
    >>> calories in >> calories out = improper eating
    >>
    >> Improper eating isn't what I really mean by "improper eating" as it
    >> might cause obesity but it can also be eating that fails to provide
    >> proper nutrition. One can eat foods that don't cause weight-gain
    >> while also failing to provide proper nutrition.
    >>
    >> I'll strive for greater clarity in future.
    >But don't go as far as Mixi, please! ;-)

definitely not within barge pole range.
 
Old Apr 6th 2005, 9:30 am
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:22:40 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:

    >The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Following up to yaofeng
    >>
    >> >There is only one word to describe the paella in Spain, atrocious.
    >>
    >> In a tourist restaurant away from the part of Spain it belongs,
    >> sometimes less than perfect. A Spanish restaurateur said the
    >> same. But I have rarely had *any* "atrocious" food in Spain.
    >> My most enjoyable arroz was in a little locals bar in the paddy
    >> fields of the Ebro delta, a simple abanda. If they cant cook
    >> rice, who can?
    >Latin americans!

Italians and most Asians.
 
Old Apr 6th 2005, 11:30 am
  #105  
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:13:16 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to yaofeng
    >>There is only one word to describe the paella in Spain, atrocious.
    >In a tourist restaurant away from the part of Spain it belongs,
    >sometimes less than perfect. A Spanish restaurateur said the
    >same. But I have rarely had *any* "atrocious" food in Spain.

*resists like hell in passing comment once again on the English's
pallet*
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