Tim Kroesen

I used a CC to get Airmiles for the ticket reward; but that CC was not
used to purchase the ticket; the travel fulfillment agency paid for the
ticket in my name. I don't know what payment arrangements they have
with American Airlines but it isn't MY CC... AFAIK their is NO
requirement for me to pay for anything further so far as the air travel
is concerned!

Tim K

"Traveller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Tim Kroesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Ummm... What if you got an eTicket out of a 'reward' program and
didn't
    > > purchase it yourself?
    > >
    > > Tim K
    > You would still have used a credit card to pay for the
taxes/charges/fees
    > associated with the ticket.

Miss L. Toe

"Hilary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0403181904510.520...el.ednet.co.uk...
    > > > You can always print off another copy from your email if you lose a
hard
    > > > copy. You can't just print off another ticket.
    > >
    > > Just out of interest how often do people here backup their hard drive
    :-)
    > Your ISP should have more than daily backups.
    > Oh, you mean for people who download their own mail and then don't make
    > backups? Your TA can resend the email.

As long as you dont forget who you bought the ticket from :-)

Pete

    > While they are o.k. in general, there are occasional hiccups especially
    > if 1) computers are down (never experienced this) or 2) codeshare
    > partners don't get all the info or 3) codeshare partner agents are
    > improperly trained

Yes, this is true. Last year I traveled to Europe on NW/KLM. I was
ticketed through NW. When checking in at Vienna, KLM said there
was a problem with my ticket. They disappeared to an office for 20
minutes or so. I can only imagine they were calling NW to verify that
I was a ticketed passenger. In this case, paper tickets probably would
have been better.

Pete

Id . rather . not . say

    >Hilary wrote...<snipped for reply>...If you lose a paper ticket,
    >it costs money to have it reissued and you as a customer pay the reissue
    >>fee...And the ticket has to be refundable - most >tickets are not fully
    >>refundable, and many are completely non-refundable so
    >all you get back is the airport tax.

I travel SEA to EDI annually on BA and have had no problems at all using
an e-ticket. It is important to remember to bring along the same credit
card used to purchase the ticket, but otherwise there's nothing as far as
my experience goes to be worried about.

Regarding paper tickets, the last time I was issued one the flight attendant
collecting tickets in Seattle as we boarded accidentally ripped off and
retained my LHR/EDI ticket. She came running up to me half-way down the
boarding ramp to return it to me. I wonder how I would have reacted
[well, actually I know that I would have been fairly panicked] upon discovering,
after disembarking, sleep-deprived, in LHR that I had no ticket for Edinburgh.
I'm assuming I would have had to buy a new one.

Emilia

[email protected] (Vitaly Shmatikov) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Emilia <emilia@(spam-so-)easy.com> wrote:
    >
    >>> How can someone ``redeem'' the value of a ticket issued to a
    >>> different person? I honestly can't think of any way to do this,
    >>> but maybe I'm just not inventive enough
    >>A full fare ticket can be "cashed in". IIRC, the person on the ticket
    >>doesn't have to be the one to cash it in as our company secretaries
    >>are usually the ones to cash in tickets when they are not used.
    >
    > Do they get to keep the money, or the money is refunded to the
    > credit card/travel agency/whatever was used to purchase the ticket?

I would imagine they would get fired if they kept the cash.

    > If I find a paper ticket lying in the street, can I bring it to the
    > airline and cash it in?

If the ticket was paid in cash then you can get cash (but i guess no one
pays for tickets in cash anymore).

I remember a few years ago there were problems with employees exchanging
their business class tickets for coach and pocketing the difference... I
remember thinking it was a great idea but I've never done it so I don't
know if it is possible.

    > How is this different from an e-ticket, anyway? Presumably, a
    > full-fare e-ticket can be cashed in just as easily.

It's not.

Hilary

    > > If I find a paper ticket lying in the street, can I bring it to the
    > > airline and cash it in?
    >
    > If the ticket was paid in cash then you can get cash (but i guess no one
    > pays for tickets in cash anymore).

You might be surprised. These people would get a refund by cheque.


Hilary

Lennart Petersen

"Giovanni Drogo" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:Pine.OSF.4.30.0403181704210.173...mi.iasf.cnr.it...
    > About e-tickets I've never used them, and I doubt my administration will
    > accept them in case of business trips (they will need some piece of
    > paper as proof of the trip).
I've always been provided a printed receipt for my e-tickets booked on
regular IATA airlines and furthermore I've the boarding cards as proof of
the trip.
No such receipts from Ryanair but the credit card account may be proof
enough that I've made a trip.

I'd say I'd also feel safer with a printed
    > piece of paper to show (and I've never lost a plane or train ticket in
    > my life).
Haven't lost either ever but nevertheless I think the e-ticket is a good
thing as you don't have to worry about the ticket.

Giovanni Drogo

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Lennart Petersen wrote:

    > I've always been provided a printed receipt for my e-tickets booked on
    > regular IATA airlines and furthermore I've the boarding cards as proof of
    > the trip.

I guess your administration is ways less picky than ours :-(

    > I'd say I'd also feel safer with a printed
    > > piece of paper to show (and I've never lost a plane or train ticket in
    > > my life).
    > Haven't lost either ever but nevertheless I think the e-ticket is a good
    > thing as you don't have to worry about the ticket.

Sincerely I can't understand how all the "fuss" about airplane e-tickets
goes together with the increased "fuss" about airplane security (not
being able to carry a nail clipper or a small scissor, being asked to
show one's id card n+1 more times on the boarding bridge when you've
just put it away).

Considering that nobody is proposing to use e-tickets for ways of
travelling which is more widely used, and subject to much less boarding
restrictions like trains, buses, metro ...

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Giovanni Drogo wrote:
    > Sincerely I can't understand how all the "fuss" about airplane e-tickets
    > goes together with the increased "fuss" about airplane security (not
    > being able to carry a nail clipper or a small scissor,

e-tickets for airplanes are a big deal for airlines. They allow the airlines
to finally use computers to manage their business. With paper tickets, they
need to type in the information of your ticket and that is what was used for
accounting, paying travel agents etc. And that costed a lot of money and took
a lot of time.

Remember that a blank paper ticket is like a blank traveller's cheque. You
could write your own ticket and the airline would be pretty well forced to
carry you. That is why travel agents are required to store ticket stock in a safe/vault.

So the switch to e-tickets is not really about just having some itineray
printed on an Letter or A4 piece of paper instead of the conventional carbon
paper, it is all about getting rid of the "blank cheques" before travel, and
reconciliating all those tickets after travel.

Giovanni Drogo

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, nobody wrote:

    > Giovanni Drogo wrote:
    > > Sincerely I can't understand how all the "fuss" about airplane e-tickets
    > > goes together with the increased "fuss" about airplane security (not
    > > being able to carry a nail clipper or a small scissor,
    > e-tickets for airplanes are a big deal for airlines. They allow the airlines
    > to finally use computers to manage their business. With paper tickets, they
    > need to type in the information of your ticket and that is what was used for

I assumed they were using computers since years, and the paper ticket
(carbon copy as it used to be, or punched card lookalike as now) was
just a proof to use in the case the computer were down.

I use to hand over to the check in my ticket and my frequent traveller
card. Sometimes they say that my frequent traveller card number "is
already in" the system, sometimes they have to insert it. I guess that
depends on how prompt communication is between different systems. A
paper ticket should be the proof to prevent problems in case of
communication problems.

    > Remember that a blank paper ticket is like a blank traveller's cheque. You
    > could write your own ticket and the airline would be pretty well forced to
    > carry you.

It looks to me it is quite more difficult to forge a plane ticket (or
train ticket) usually printed on special stationery, than it is to forge
some printout obtained as a reminder of an online booking (*).

    > So the switch to e-tickets is not really about just having some itineray
    > printed on an Letter or A4 piece of paper instead of the conventional carbon
    > paper,

which is instead the case for train ticket receipt in case of online
bookings ? Last year I had to fly to Copenhagen and get a train from
there. I heard I could make a reservation online, and pay in advance by
credit card ... but I'd still had to queue up at the station with my
printed receipt to get a real ticket ... so I dispensed with all this,
and bought the ticket directly at Kastrup's DSB ticket counter.

(*) or forging any other document.
My now defunct director used to travel to the former USSR. To get
a VISA you needed an invitation with dates and so on. If they
changed the date of a meeting, you had to get a new invitation.
But the time to get this via official channels was abdsurdly slow,
so once, when they changed the venue at short notice, he decided
to write the invitation himself, taking advantage that the consulate
here was accepting invitation by e-mail. So he took an old mail,
changed the dates and some message-ids here and there in the mail
header ... et voila', he got an updated visa.

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Giovanni Drogo wrote:
    > I assumed they were using computers since years, and the paper ticket
    > (carbon copy as it used to be, or punched card lookalike as now) was
    > just a proof to use in the case the computer were down.

Nop. The ticket was like a cheque. It was the one worth money, the computer
reservation was just a "convenience" to streamline check-in process.

    > It looks to me it is quite more difficult to forge a plane ticket (or
    > train ticket) usually printed on special stationery, than it is to forge
    > some printout obtained as a reminder of an online booking (*).

Well, consider that people forge currency. IATA stock isn't that hard to
forge. And an airline is forced to accept the ticket.

Paper ticket was worth money, reservation was the convenience.
Etickets are just a convenience, your reservation is worth the money.

With the reservation in a computer your official record with official
accounting implications, it makes it very easy for an airline to combine you
reservation, payment and proof that you boarded the aircraft (no refund
possible). It also allows automation of payment of comissions to travel agents.

But when it was the paper ticket that was the official item, it had to be
"collected" at the gate and then sent to accounting dept who would then
reconciliate the paper ticket with the accounting system.

Vitaly Shmatikov

In article <[email protected]>,
Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> I've always been provided a printed receipt for my e-tickets booked on
    >> regular IATA airlines and furthermore I've the boarding cards as proof of
    >> the trip.
    >I guess your administration is ways less picky than ours :-(

I've traveled to dozens of universities and academic institutions
all over the world, and I have yet to see one that would not accept
an e-ticket receipt printed by the airline (*not* the receipt you get
by email, but an official receipt printed on what looks like airline
ticket stock that you get if you walk up to the counter and ask for it).

I'd venture a guess that your administration would happily accept an
e-ticket receipt printed on airline stock. Moreover, I suspect that
they would not be able to tell the difference between an e-ticket
receipt and a paper ticket receipt - the two look almost exactly the
same in this case.

Hilary

    > > I assumed they were using computers since years, and the paper ticket
    > > (carbon copy as it used to be, or punched card lookalike as now) was
    > > just a proof to use in the case the computer were down.
    >
    > Nop. The ticket was like a cheque. It was the one worth money, the computer
    > reservation was just a "convenience" to streamline check-in process.

Not at all. You can turn up with a ticket and no reservation and you
probably won't get on the plane without paying again. (I know a couple of
people in other agencies who have accidentally cancelled an active
reservation - the passenger wasn't allowed on the aircraft till suitable
arrangements had been made.) The ticket is almost worthless in this
situation.

There are also problems with people buying tickets using stolen cards. If
it's discovered too late (i.e. the purchaser has all the requested
security info and the ticket is issued) you can still cancel the
reservation to stop them flying and they will not be permitted to board.

    > Well, consider that people forge currency. IATA stock isn't that hard to
    > forge. And an airline is forced to accept the ticket.

Really? Not in my experience. And not to the knowledge of anyone I've
worked with.


Hilary

Miguel Cruz

Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Considering that nobody is proposing to use e-tickets for ways of
    > travelling which is more widely used, and subject to much less boarding
    > restrictions like trains, buses, metro ...

Amtrak (trains in USA) has a sort-of eticket arrangement.

miguel
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Miguel Cruz

randee <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In our experience both United and American are still issuing paper
    > tickets for flights to Europe. I must admit though, those are the only
    > cases in which I have had paper tickets issued.

Just flew United to Istanbul and back (FRA-IST-FRA codeshare on LH),
purchased off the United web site, e-tickets the whole way. Likewise United
to Amsterdam a few months back, same story.

miguel
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