Is E-ticket okay for International travel?
Mar 18th 2004, 12:43 am
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Re: Is E-ticket okay for International travel?
Binyamin Dissen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:56:45 -0600 "Douglas W. Hoyt" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> :>>>>Is it a good idea to fly BA internationally with E-tickets?
>
> :>1) They work fine.
>
> :>2) You don't have to worry about losing the ticket, which is a hassle to
> :>keep secure anyways (they really fill up a moneybelt).
>
> I always wonder about those that praise e-tickets because they do not "have to
> worry about losing the ticket".
>
> One wonders how they manage to hang on to their wallets and passport.
In reality, we don't. I've managed to "forget" (misplace, lose,
have stolen, whatever) all manner of things, valuable, important,
or otherwise. An airline ticket is just one more thing in that chain.
And since it is vastly less like "clothing" (i.e. something one
notices they don't have almost by feel) than a wallet or purse, it
is vastly more likely to be forgotten, or its absence otherwise
un-noted until needed. The problem has become exacerbated by
the increasingly frequent requirement to "empty one's pockets"
to enter various areas.
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:56:45 -0600 "Douglas W. Hoyt" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> :>>>>Is it a good idea to fly BA internationally with E-tickets?
>
> :>1) They work fine.
>
> :>2) You don't have to worry about losing the ticket, which is a hassle to
> :>keep secure anyways (they really fill up a moneybelt).
>
> I always wonder about those that praise e-tickets because they do not "have to
> worry about losing the ticket".
>
> One wonders how they manage to hang on to their wallets and passport.
In reality, we don't. I've managed to "forget" (misplace, lose,
have stolen, whatever) all manner of things, valuable, important,
or otherwise. An airline ticket is just one more thing in that chain.
And since it is vastly less like "clothing" (i.e. something one
notices they don't have almost by feel) than a wallet or purse, it
is vastly more likely to be forgotten, or its absence otherwise
un-noted until needed. The problem has become exacerbated by
the increasingly frequent requirement to "empty one's pockets"
to enter various areas.
Mar 18th 2004, 2:13 am
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Re: Is E-ticket okay for International travel?
Douglas W. Hoyt wrote:
> >>>>> This makes perfect sense to me, but the previous poster was
> suggesting that another person can cash in the ticket and keep the money.
> My question is: how?
> You may have to open up a travel agency (possibly in a 3rd world country),
> that can issue ticket exchanges and submit coupons directly to ARC or IATA
> for reimbursement--or be in cahoots with one.
Question: what *exactly* does the term "MCO (Miscellaneous Charge Order)
mean? Are these negotiable "documents" that TA's and airlines use?
--
Best
Greg
> >>>>> This makes perfect sense to me, but the previous poster was
> suggesting that another person can cash in the ticket and keep the money.
> My question is: how?
> You may have to open up a travel agency (possibly in a 3rd world country),
> that can issue ticket exchanges and submit coupons directly to ARC or IATA
> for reimbursement--or be in cahoots with one.
Question: what *exactly* does the term "MCO (Miscellaneous Charge Order)
mean? Are these negotiable "documents" that TA's and airlines use?
--
Best
Greg
Mar 18th 2004, 2:47 am
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Re: Is E-ticket okay for International travel?
"Javaman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I've found a pretty good rate for BA flights in October (SEA to AMS, MUC
to
> SEA)
> but the rates are only good for E-tickets.
> I feel aprehensive about this, but don't know if I am worrying needlessly.
> What is the opinion of the group? Is it a good idea to fly BA
> internationally with
> E-tickets?
> Thanks for your advice!
I've flown many NWA & KLM transatlantic flights using E-tickets and have
never had a problem. Don't worry about using them.
news:[email protected]...
> I've found a pretty good rate for BA flights in October (SEA to AMS, MUC
to
> SEA)
> but the rates are only good for E-tickets.
> I feel aprehensive about this, but don't know if I am worrying needlessly.
> What is the opinion of the group? Is it a good idea to fly BA
> internationally with
> E-tickets?
> Thanks for your advice!
I've flown many NWA & KLM transatlantic flights using E-tickets and have
never had a problem. Don't worry about using them.
Mar 18th 2004, 3:26 am
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Re: Is E-ticket okay for International travel?
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Hilary wrote:
> If a credit card was used to purchase the ticket, and the number is
> available to the airline, they will refund directly to the credit card.
> If not, and it was bought through a TA, they refund to the TA who then
> refunds the customer.
I guess this depends on the countries involved.
About e-tickets I've never used them, and I doubt my administration will
accept them in case of business trips (they will need some piece of
paper as proof of the trip). I'd say I'd also feel safer with a printed
piece of paper to show (and I've never lost a plane or train ticket in
my life).
About refunds, listen to what happened to me a few years ago. The thing
occurred the first time I used MY credit card to buy a ticket for a
business trip (our PREVIOUS regulation allowed our institute's secretary
to pay the travel agent bill after the trip, deducting the sum from the
mission refund, our NEW regulation forbid this, we have to get an
advance, and pay the ticket ourselves). Because of the change in
regulation we thought it was a great idea to use a credit card (since at
least we pay with 1-2 month delays).
We had to travel Milan (Malpensa)-Toulouse direct with Air Regional and
back via Paris to Milan (Linate) with Air France. All IATA full fare
stuff.
The first thing which happened was that we changed our reservation on
the way in (well in advance) to catch the same plane of some other
colleagues. Apparently during the procedure the computer link between
the travel agent and the airline went down, so that the changed ticket
was issued before the former reservation was cancelled.
The second thing was that on the way back we learned of a strike in
Paris, so we asked the Air Regional ticket office in Toulouse to change
on a Toulouse-Malpensa flight. They said the simplest-quickest thing was
to pay the new ticket and get the refund of the unused return from our
agent.
When I came back I checked the registered transactions on my credit
card, and found I had to pay for :
TWO Milan-Toulouse-Milan tickets instead of one (half unused) A and B
ONE Toulouse-Milan ticket C
I enquired with the travel agent, which I had to contact anyhow for the
refund of the unused part. They said in case of credit card buys they
are just an intermediary, and the transaction occurs directly between me
and the airline. They very kindly supplied me with all PAPER proofs of
what had occurred ... but anyhow ...
I paid all the above (A+B+C) at the next month term for my credit card
payment. While I'd used only half A and C.
I had to supply the paper proofs of the mistake occurred in the change
of reservation on the way in to the company managing the credit card
(they also were very kind). In this case I was claiming a refund for
something I never bought, so in one month I got the refund of the
non-existent ticket (B),
Concerning the unused return half of A, the travel agent made the
paperwork with the airline, keeping me informed, but since after a few
months nothing occurred, I had to pester the local airline office by
phone and fax supplying them again all the material, and finally, after
about ONE YEAR I got my money back (I had to go to their office to
collect a cheque).
So all what I can say is that I'm now quite cautious in using my credit
card to acquire (business full fare) air tickets via a travel agent. I
prefer to wait for their bill to come to our institute, where a clerk
will collect cheques from all of us.
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> If a credit card was used to purchase the ticket, and the number is
> available to the airline, they will refund directly to the credit card.
> If not, and it was bought through a TA, they refund to the TA who then
> refunds the customer.
I guess this depends on the countries involved.
About e-tickets I've never used them, and I doubt my administration will
accept them in case of business trips (they will need some piece of
paper as proof of the trip). I'd say I'd also feel safer with a printed
piece of paper to show (and I've never lost a plane or train ticket in
my life).
About refunds, listen to what happened to me a few years ago. The thing
occurred the first time I used MY credit card to buy a ticket for a
business trip (our PREVIOUS regulation allowed our institute's secretary
to pay the travel agent bill after the trip, deducting the sum from the
mission refund, our NEW regulation forbid this, we have to get an
advance, and pay the ticket ourselves). Because of the change in
regulation we thought it was a great idea to use a credit card (since at
least we pay with 1-2 month delays).
We had to travel Milan (Malpensa)-Toulouse direct with Air Regional and
back via Paris to Milan (Linate) with Air France. All IATA full fare
stuff.
The first thing which happened was that we changed our reservation on
the way in (well in advance) to catch the same plane of some other
colleagues. Apparently during the procedure the computer link between
the travel agent and the airline went down, so that the changed ticket
was issued before the former reservation was cancelled.
The second thing was that on the way back we learned of a strike in
Paris, so we asked the Air Regional ticket office in Toulouse to change
on a Toulouse-Malpensa flight. They said the simplest-quickest thing was
to pay the new ticket and get the refund of the unused return from our
agent.
When I came back I checked the registered transactions on my credit
card, and found I had to pay for :
TWO Milan-Toulouse-Milan tickets instead of one (half unused) A and B
ONE Toulouse-Milan ticket C
I enquired with the travel agent, which I had to contact anyhow for the
refund of the unused part. They said in case of credit card buys they
are just an intermediary, and the transaction occurs directly between me
and the airline. They very kindly supplied me with all PAPER proofs of
what had occurred ... but anyhow ...
I paid all the above (A+B+C) at the next month term for my credit card
payment. While I'd used only half A and C.
I had to supply the paper proofs of the mistake occurred in the change
of reservation on the way in to the company managing the credit card
(they also were very kind). In this case I was claiming a refund for
something I never bought, so in one month I got the refund of the
non-existent ticket (B),
Concerning the unused return half of A, the travel agent made the
paperwork with the airline, keeping me informed, but since after a few
months nothing occurred, I had to pester the local airline office by
phone and fax supplying them again all the material, and finally, after
about ONE YEAR I got my money back (I had to go to their office to
collect a cheque).
So all what I can say is that I'm now quite cautious in using my credit
card to acquire (business full fare) air tickets via a travel agent. I
prefer to wait for their bill to come to our institute, where a clerk
will collect cheques from all of us.
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Mar 18th 2004, 4:06 am
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Re: Is E-ticket okay for International travel?
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> Douglas W. Hoyt wrote:
> > >>>>> This makes perfect sense to me, but the previous poster was
> > suggesting that another person can cash in the ticket and keep the
money.
> > My question is: how?
> >
> > You may have to open up a travel agency (possibly in a 3rd world
country),
> > that can issue ticket exchanges and submit coupons directly to ARC or
IATA
> > for reimbursement--or be in cahoots with one.
> Question: what *exactly* does the term "MCO (Miscellaneous Charge Order)
> mean? Are these negotiable "documents" that TA's and airlines use?
I haven't seen that term for a long time, but it used to be a form of a
voucher valid for a certain amount of money to pay an air trip. The MCO
was useful to enter some countries requiring visitors to have a paid
airticket for the exit.
meddelandet news:[email protected]...
> Douglas W. Hoyt wrote:
> > >>>>> This makes perfect sense to me, but the previous poster was
> > suggesting that another person can cash in the ticket and keep the
money.
> > My question is: how?
> >
> > You may have to open up a travel agency (possibly in a 3rd world
country),
> > that can issue ticket exchanges and submit coupons directly to ARC or
IATA
> > for reimbursement--or be in cahoots with one.
> Question: what *exactly* does the term "MCO (Miscellaneous Charge Order)
> mean? Are these negotiable "documents" that TA's and airlines use?
I haven't seen that term for a long time, but it used to be a form of a
voucher valid for a certain amount of money to pay an air trip. The MCO
was useful to enter some countries requiring visitors to have a paid
airticket for the exit.
Mar 18th 2004, 5:37 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
Douglas W. Hoyt <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> This makes perfect sense to me, but the previous poster was
>suggesting that another person can cash in the ticket and keep the money.
>My question is: how?
>You may have to open up a travel agency (possibly in a 3rd world country),
>that can issue ticket exchanges and submit coupons directly to ARC or IATA
>for reimbursement--or be in cahoots with one.
I see. So a travel agency can get cash for any ticket even if it
was issued by another travel agency? Let's say I lose a ticket
issued by Acme Travel, and it ends up in the hands of Dodgy Travel.
Dodgy Travel can send it to the airline, and the airline would give
*them* the money instead of refunding it to Acme Travel, right?
Douglas W. Hoyt <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> This makes perfect sense to me, but the previous poster was
>suggesting that another person can cash in the ticket and keep the money.
>My question is: how?
>You may have to open up a travel agency (possibly in a 3rd world country),
>that can issue ticket exchanges and submit coupons directly to ARC or IATA
>for reimbursement--or be in cahoots with one.
I see. So a travel agency can get cash for any ticket even if it
was issued by another travel agency? Let's say I lose a ticket
issued by Acme Travel, and it ends up in the hands of Dodgy Travel.
Dodgy Travel can send it to the airline, and the airline would give
*them* the money instead of refunding it to Acme Travel, right?
Mar 18th 2004, 6:00 am
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> >>>>>> This makes perfect sense to me, but the previous poster was
> >suggesting that another person can cash in the ticket and keep the money.
> >My question is: how?
> >
> >You may have to open up a travel agency (possibly in a 3rd world country),
> >that can issue ticket exchanges and submit coupons directly to ARC or IATA
> >for reimbursement--or be in cahoots with one.
>
> I see. So a travel agency can get cash for any ticket even if it
> was issued by another travel agency? Let's say I lose a ticket
> issued by Acme Travel, and it ends up in the hands of Dodgy Travel.
> Dodgy Travel can send it to the airline, and the airline would give
> *them* the money instead of refunding it to Acme Travel, right?
No, the *issuing* agency needs to send it back. I don't think any airline
would accept a ticket from a third party - for data protection reasons, as
well as to prevent fraud.
Hilary
> >suggesting that another person can cash in the ticket and keep the money.
> >My question is: how?
> >
> >You may have to open up a travel agency (possibly in a 3rd world country),
> >that can issue ticket exchanges and submit coupons directly to ARC or IATA
> >for reimbursement--or be in cahoots with one.
>
> I see. So a travel agency can get cash for any ticket even if it
> was issued by another travel agency? Let's say I lose a ticket
> issued by Acme Travel, and it ends up in the hands of Dodgy Travel.
> Dodgy Travel can send it to the airline, and the airline would give
> *them* the money instead of refunding it to Acme Travel, right?
No, the *issuing* agency needs to send it back. I don't think any airline
would accept a ticket from a third party - for data protection reasons, as
well as to prevent fraud.
Hilary
Mar 18th 2004, 6:02 am
#53
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Re: Is E-ticket okay for International travel?
> > Question: what *exactly* does the term "MCO (Miscellaneous Charge Order)
> > mean? Are these negotiable "documents" that TA's and airlines use?
> I haven't seen that term for a long time, but it used to be a form of a
> voucher valid for a certain amount of money to pay an air trip. The MCO
> was useful to enter some countries requiring visitors to have a paid
> airticket for the exit.
I think credit vouchers (for delays/cancellations and so on) are MCOs.
They're used by airlines. If a TA needs to confirm payment of something
(a reissue fee, or a stopover hotel for instance) they will use an MPD
instead.
Hilary
> > mean? Are these negotiable "documents" that TA's and airlines use?
> I haven't seen that term for a long time, but it used to be a form of a
> voucher valid for a certain amount of money to pay an air trip. The MCO
> was useful to enter some countries requiring visitors to have a paid
> airticket for the exit.
I think credit vouchers (for delays/cancellations and so on) are MCOs.
They're used by airlines. If a TA needs to confirm payment of something
(a reissue fee, or a stopover hotel for instance) they will use an MPD
instead.
Hilary
Mar 18th 2004, 6:04 am
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> > > E-tickets are fine. I prefer them. From 1 April, BA and KLM will
> > > all be e-ticket or you will need to pay an extra charge. Other
> > > airlines are expected to follow suit.
>
> My AA tickets UK-US have been e-tickets, my recent BA ticket purchsed
> through AA.com for LON-PAR was a paper ticket - will that stop after 1
> April, or will AA pay BA a surcharge, or will I get billed extra
> somewhere along the line.
If they can sort out how to e-ticket AA and BA on one ticket it'll be an
e-ticket. Otherwise you'll probably find it cheaper to buy the BA sector
through BA's website.
Hilary
> > > all be e-ticket or you will need to pay an extra charge. Other
> > > airlines are expected to follow suit.
>
> My AA tickets UK-US have been e-tickets, my recent BA ticket purchsed
> through AA.com for LON-PAR was a paper ticket - will that stop after 1
> April, or will AA pay BA a surcharge, or will I get billed extra
> somewhere along the line.
If they can sort out how to e-ticket AA and BA on one ticket it'll be an
e-ticket. Otherwise you'll probably find it cheaper to buy the BA sector
through BA's website.
Hilary
Mar 18th 2004, 6:05 am
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> > You can always print off another copy from your email if you lose a hard
> > copy. You can't just print off another ticket.
>
> Just out of interest how often do people here backup their hard drive :-)
Your ISP should have more than daily backups.
Oh, you mean for people who download their own mail and then don't make
backups? Your TA can resend the email.
Hilary
> > copy. You can't just print off another ticket.
>
> Just out of interest how often do people here backup their hard drive :-)
Your ISP should have more than daily backups.
Oh, you mean for people who download their own mail and then don't make
backups? Your TA can resend the email.
Hilary
Mar 18th 2004, 6:08 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
Hilary <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >You may have to open up a travel agency (possibly in a 3rd world country),
>> >that can issue ticket exchanges and submit coupons directly to ARC or IATA
>> >for reimbursement--or be in cahoots with one.
>>
>> I see. So a travel agency can get cash for any ticket even if it
>> was issued by another travel agency? Let's say I lose a ticket
>> issued by Acme Travel, and it ends up in the hands of Dodgy Travel.
>> Dodgy Travel can send it to the airline, and the airline would give
>> *them* the money instead of refunding it to Acme Travel, right?
>No, the *issuing* agency needs to send it back. I don't think any airline
>would accept a ticket from a third party - for data protection reasons, as
>well as to prevent fraud.
Makes sense to me, but I don't really know how the system works.
What is he talking about, then?
Hilary <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >You may have to open up a travel agency (possibly in a 3rd world country),
>> >that can issue ticket exchanges and submit coupons directly to ARC or IATA
>> >for reimbursement--or be in cahoots with one.
>>
>> I see. So a travel agency can get cash for any ticket even if it
>> was issued by another travel agency? Let's say I lose a ticket
>> issued by Acme Travel, and it ends up in the hands of Dodgy Travel.
>> Dodgy Travel can send it to the airline, and the airline would give
>> *them* the money instead of refunding it to Acme Travel, right?
>No, the *issuing* agency needs to send it back. I don't think any airline
>would accept a ticket from a third party - for data protection reasons, as
>well as to prevent fraud.
Makes sense to me, but I don't really know how the system works.
What is he talking about, then?
Mar 18th 2004, 8:23 am
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Hmm, my paper tickets came direct from American, but did include some
non-American/non-code-share connections. Possibly the non-American
connections is the key. However last year my paper tickets came direct
from United and they only included United or code-share connections.
Still a puzzle as to when paper tickets are issued, and when not. The
local ticket counter here in the US just said 'Dunno why no e-tickets'.
Tim Kroesen wrote:
>
> My American Airlines tickets to Europe and back are eTickets... I was
> never even given a choice by the agency that arranged them in December
> 03.
>
> Tim K
>
> "randee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In our experience both United and American are still issuing paper
> > tickets for flights to Europe. I must admit though, those are the
> only
> > cases in which I have had paper tickets issued.
> > --
> > wf.
> >
> > Hilary wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > E-tickets are fine. I prefer them. From 1 April, BA and KLM will
> all be
> > > e-ticket or you will need to pay an extra charge. Other airlines
> are
> > > expected to follow suit.
> > >
> > > Hilary
--
wf.
Wayne Flowers
Randee Greenwald
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non-American/non-code-share connections. Possibly the non-American
connections is the key. However last year my paper tickets came direct
from United and they only included United or code-share connections.
Still a puzzle as to when paper tickets are issued, and when not. The
local ticket counter here in the US just said 'Dunno why no e-tickets'.
Tim Kroesen wrote:
>
> My American Airlines tickets to Europe and back are eTickets... I was
> never even given a choice by the agency that arranged them in December
> 03.
>
> Tim K
>
> "randee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In our experience both United and American are still issuing paper
> > tickets for flights to Europe. I must admit though, those are the
> only
> > cases in which I have had paper tickets issued.
> > --
> > wf.
> >
> > Hilary wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > E-tickets are fine. I prefer them. From 1 April, BA and KLM will
> all be
> > > e-ticket or you will need to pay an extra charge. Other airlines
> are
> > > expected to follow suit.
> > >
> > > Hilary
--
wf.
Wayne Flowers
Randee Greenwald
[email protected]
Mar 18th 2004, 8:37 am
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Miss L. Toe wrote:
> My AA tickets UK-US have been e-tickets, my recent BA ticket purchsed
> through AA.com for LON-PAR was a paper ticket - will that stop after 1
> April, or will AA pay BA a surcharge, or will I get billed extra somewhere
> along the line.
>
You only pay for paper tickets when you were the one that decided on
paper tickets. If you want E-Tickets and the airline can't give them to
you, then you don't pay the surcharge
> My AA tickets UK-US have been e-tickets, my recent BA ticket purchsed
> through AA.com for LON-PAR was a paper ticket - will that stop after 1
> April, or will AA pay BA a surcharge, or will I get billed extra somewhere
> along the line.
>
You only pay for paper tickets when you were the one that decided on
paper tickets. If you want E-Tickets and the airline can't give them to
you, then you don't pay the surcharge
Mar 18th 2004, 8:38 am
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It was my understanding that paper tickets cost more; hence the travel
fulfillment agency goes the cheap route; as I in turn will...<g>
Tim K
"randee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hmm, my paper tickets came direct from American, but did include some
> non-American/non-code-share connections. Possibly the non-American
> connections is the key. However last year my paper tickets came
direct
> from United and they only included United or code-share connections.
> Still a puzzle as to when paper tickets are issued, and when not. The
> local ticket counter here in the US just said 'Dunno why no
e-tickets'.
fulfillment agency goes the cheap route; as I in turn will...<g>
Tim K
"randee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hmm, my paper tickets came direct from American, but did include some
> non-American/non-code-share connections. Possibly the non-American
> connections is the key. However last year my paper tickets came
direct
> from United and they only included United or code-share connections.
> Still a puzzle as to when paper tickets are issued, and when not. The
> local ticket counter here in the US just said 'Dunno why no
e-tickets'.
Mar 18th 2004, 9:32 am
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"Tim Kroesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Ummm... What if you got an eTicket out of a 'reward' program and didn't
> purchase it yourself?
> Tim K
You would still have used a credit card to pay for the taxes/charges/fees
associated with the ticket.
news:[email protected]...
> Ummm... What if you got an eTicket out of a 'reward' program and didn't
> purchase it yourself?
> Tim K
You would still have used a credit card to pay for the taxes/charges/fees
associated with the ticket.
