-Martin

On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:13:19 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:

>On Tue, 22 May 2007 11:26:09 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2007 10:20:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>>chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>>>Tieless Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:26:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>>>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >5 euro will get a good kebab-ish meal anywhere in the UK.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't want to spend a holiday eating cheap kebabs. :-(
>>>
>>>Nor would I, but that's pretty much what's being compared here in the 5
>>>euro range.
>>
>>EUR 5,50 buys a McD and a cup of coffee in NL. Hardly a meal.
>>
>>A take away for one from a Chinese restaurant is usually more than enough for
>>two and depending on what you order could cost less than EUR 11.
>
>Eazie in Leiden to a pretty good stir-fry for 5.95.

20% above target price :-)
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Martin

-Viking

On 20 May 2007 20:59:21 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>I'm thinking of traveling to Europe for a month, and I was wondering
>which country of these would be cheapest to live in:
>
> Austria
> Belgium
> France
> Germany
> Spain
> Netherlands
> Switzerland
> United Kingdom
> Ireland
>

OK, I'm tired of everyone saying Spain is the cheapest. They're just
trying to hide the truth from you.

Obviously, Switzerland is the cheapest of the ones you list, followed
by the London area of the UK, followed by Paris in France, followed by
Brussels in Belgium, and then central Wien in Austria.

sguimard

On May 20, 11:59 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> I'm thinking of traveling to Europe for a month, and I was wondering
> which country of these would be cheapest to live in:
>
> Austria
> Belgium
> France
> Germany
> Spain
> Netherlands
> Switzerland
> United Kingdom
> Ireland
>
> Also, what would be roughly the cost of room and board for one month
> in this country? (in U.S. dollars) This would assume I get my own
> room.
>
> I'm just trying to get a feel for what I should budget.

Why wouldn't you go to Portugal. Honestly, it is right nextto Spain
and it is a lot cheaper.

David Horne

Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 May 2007 10:18:15 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Fridays and Sundays are the busiest travel days on the WCML, and the
> >hardest to get cheap fares. However, they are there. Booking a week or
> >two in advance will get you the advance �37 (value advance B) fare,
> >booking 4 weeks in advance the cheapest �25 (value advance C) one. I
> >just checked, and it took a minute, not hours.
>
> But 25 quid for London Stoke on trent booking 4 weeks in advance is
> not cheap!

It's cheap compared to the saver return, and on most days, you don't
need to book that far ahead.

> London Exeter which is an even longer journey has rail
> fares under 10 quid that far in advance, and only 15 quid for this
> friday,

The �15 fare this Friday is one way as far as I can see.

> so I've got to agree that there aren't cheap fares on the
> stoke on trent route - and needing to book 4 weeks ahead to be cheaper
> than taking a car is ludicrous.

You need to book that far in advance on certain days which are always
busy. The trains on Friday and Sunday, big trains and frequent services,
are nearly always full.

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

David Horne

Viking <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 20 May 2007 20:59:21 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >I'm thinking of traveling to Europe for a month, and I was wondering
> >which country of these would be cheapest to live in:
> >
> > Austria
> > Belgium
> > France
> > Germany
> > Spain
> > Netherlands
> > Switzerland
> > United Kingdom
> > Ireland
> >
>
> OK, I'm tired of everyone saying Spain is the cheapest. They're just
> trying to hide the truth from you.
>
> Obviously, Switzerland is the cheapest of the ones you list, followed
> by the London area of the UK, followed by Paris in France, followed by
> Brussels in Belgium, and then central Wien in Austria.

I don't find Vienna that expensive for a European capital city.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

-Viking

On Tue, 22 May 2007 20:21:04 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 20 May 2007 20:59:21 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >I'm thinking of traveling to Europe for a month, and I was wondering
>> >which country of these would be cheapest to live in:
>> >
>> > Austria
>> > Belgium
>> > France
>> > Germany
>> > Spain
>> > Netherlands
>> > Switzerland
>> > United Kingdom
>> > Ireland
>> >
>>
>> OK, I'm tired of everyone saying Spain is the cheapest. They're just
>> trying to hide the truth from you.
>>
>> Obviously, Switzerland is the cheapest of the ones you list, followed
>> by the London area of the UK, followed by Paris in France, followed by
>> Brussels in Belgium, and then central Wien in Austria.
>
>I don't find Vienna that expensive for a European capital city.

That's why I listed it last.

-Martin

On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:35:37 -0400, Viking <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 May 2007 20:21:04 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20 May 2007 20:59:21 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> >I'm thinking of traveling to Europe for a month, and I was wondering
>>> >which country of these would be cheapest to live in:
>>> >
>>> > Austria
>>> > Belgium
>>> > France
>>> > Germany
>>> > Spain
>>> > Netherlands
>>> > Switzerland
>>> > United Kingdom
>>> > Ireland
>>> >
>>>
>>> OK, I'm tired of everyone saying Spain is the cheapest. They're just
>>> trying to hide the truth from you.
>>>
>>> Obviously, Switzerland is the cheapest of the ones you list, followed
>>> by the London area of the UK, followed by Paris in France, followed by
>>> Brussels in Belgium, and then central Wien in Austria.
>>
>>I don't find Vienna that expensive for a European capital city.
>
>That's why I listed it last.

This is turning into a Peter Cook Dudley Moore sketch.
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Martin

David Horne

Viking <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 May 2007 20:21:04 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 20 May 2007 20:59:21 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >I'm thinking of traveling to Europe for a month, and I was wondering
> >> >which country of these would be cheapest to live in:
> >> >
> >> > Austria
> >> > Belgium
> >> > France
> >> > Germany
> >> > Spain
> >> > Netherlands
> >> > Switzerland
> >> > United Kingdom
> >> > Ireland
> >> >
> >>
> >> OK, I'm tired of everyone saying Spain is the cheapest. They're just
> >> trying to hide the truth from you.
> >>
> >> Obviously, Switzerland is the cheapest of the ones you list, followed
> >> by the London area of the UK, followed by Paris in France, followed by
> >> Brussels in Belgium, and then central Wien in Austria.
> >
> >I don't find Vienna that expensive for a European capital city.
>
> That's why I listed it last.

After expensive ones though, and I don't know why you missed out Dublin,
which is almost as expensive as London now. I find Vienna cheaper than
Amsterdam too. Berlin is also fairly cheap by comparison, and you can
get a _nice_ hotel room for 30-40 euro, which is quite hard in most
European capitals nowadays.

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Miguel Cruz

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> You wouldn't want to spend your holiday eating EUR 5 meals in Amsterdam.

I would! A falafel at Maoz or a roti kip at one of the places on Albert
Cuypstraat is better than anything I've had in Spain at any price.

miguel
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David Horne

Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:

> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > You wouldn't want to spend your holiday eating EUR 5 meals in Amsterdam.
>
> I would! A falafel at Maoz or a roti kip at one of the places on Albert
> Cuypstraat is better than anything I've had in Spain at any price.

Different tastes and all that. I've had a falafel at Maoz, and almost
anything I've had in Spain was superior, that one leathery bit of liver
I had once notwithstanding. I'm not a big fan of falafels though- they
seemed tastier when I was vegetarian.

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Miguel Cruz

[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> Not in my experience, but this is all about different tastes, and highly
> subjective- and as with most discussions here, not much more than
> posturing. That _said_, the kind of food you get in Maoz is fine- a bit
> humdrum, but well-meaning. A cheap kebab at 3am in the UK is of similar
> quality, price and as nutritious.

Again, no way!

The salad bar is what makes Maoz superlative. Everything in it is
fine-tuned to perfection. The bread and falafel are just excuses to hit
that salad bar.

> You realise Maoz have branches in the
> UK and Spain (ironically) as well as in NL- similar prices too?

Haven't been to the UK in ages. Last time was Belfast in 2002 or
something. Not a whole lot of options there.

Spent a few weeks in southern Spain last year and there wasn't a damn
thing but Spanish food anywhere. Sevilla has to be about the world's
worst city to eat in if you don't enjoy bowls of grease with little
brown things floating in them. Finally found a wretched Indian place, a
miserable Chinese one, and a passable Korean. If I'd known there was a
Maoz to find I would have been over the moon - why didn't you tell me?

> A 10 euro meal in Spain is much better value than what you'd get in NL
> or UK. I'll plump for the extra 5 euro everytime. It's a trivial amount
> of money, and it's well worth it, in my opinion.

Now we're down to taste, where I'll agree: there's no point arguing.

miguel
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-Martin

On Wed, 23 May 2007 05:21:25 +0800, Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> You wouldn't want to spend your holiday eating EUR 5 meals in Amsterdam.
>
>I would! A falafel at Maoz or a roti kip at one of the places on Albert
>Cuypstraat is better than anything I've had in Spain at any price.

LOL
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Martin

-Martin

On Wed, 23 May 2007 05:29:13 +0800, Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> Not in my experience, but this is all about different tastes, and highly
>> subjective- and as with most discussions here, not much more than
>> posturing. That _said_, the kind of food you get in Maoz is fine- a bit
>> humdrum, but well-meaning. A cheap kebab at 3am in the UK is of similar
>> quality, price and as nutritious.
>
>Again, no way!
>
>The salad bar is what makes Maoz superlative. Everything in it is
>fine-tuned to perfection. The bread and falafel are just excuses to hit
>that salad bar.

It can't be that cheap in Maoz in Leiden
http://www.eet.nu/Leiden/Maoz_Vegetarian
"Lekkere falafel, goede sauzen en rauwkost erbij, ook friet is lekker. Redelijk
duur voor afhaal."

Price qulaity scores 3 out of 10
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Martin

David Horne

Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:

> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> > Not in my experience, but this is all about different tastes, and highly
> > subjective- and as with most discussions here, not much more than
> > posturing. That _said_, the kind of food you get in Maoz is fine- a bit
> > humdrum, but well-meaning. A cheap kebab at 3am in the UK is of similar
> > quality, price and as nutritious.
>
> Again, no way!
>
> The salad bar is what makes Maoz superlative. Everything in it is
> fine-tuned to perfection. The bread and falafel are just excuses to hit
> that salad bar.

I've been to Maoz. Salad bars like that are pretty easy to find in the
UK. The Falafel is OK, but I honestly have had kebabs as good- some
better.

>
> > You realise Maoz have branches in the
> > UK and Spain (ironically) as well as in NL- similar prices too?
>
> Haven't been to the UK in ages. Last time was Belfast in 2002 or
> something. Not a whole lot of options there.

Belfast has some terrific mid-priced restaurants, but I wouldn't say it
was a destination for good _cheap_ food.

> Spent a few weeks in southern Spain last year and there wasn't a damn
> thing but Spanish food anywhere.

You get more non-Spanish restaurants in more touristy areas, on the
costas etc.

> Sevilla has to be about the world's
> worst city to eat in if you don't enjoy bowls of grease with little
> brown things floating in them.

I think it's one of the best cities in the world to eat in if you like
Spanish food. I don't know what the heck that dish was- it bears no
resemblance to anything I ate.

> Finally found a wretched Indian place, a
> miserable Chinese one, and a passable Korean.

I would never bother with non-Spanish food in Spain unless I was staying
there for a _long_ time- there's simply too much variety IMO, though I
admit they could learn a bit from their neighbours (Portugal) and come
up with better carb accompaniments to a meal than the ubiquitous french
fries...

> If I'd known there was a
> Maoz to find I would have been over the moon - why didn't you tell me?

You didn't ask! There isn't one there though- they're in Barcelona
and Madrid. I haven't been to Madrid, but Barcelona has quite a number
of ethnic restaurants.

I see there's one on Philadelphia's South Street, which doesn't
especially surprise me.

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Deeply Filled Mortician

Make credence recognised that on Tue, 22 May 2007 11:28:54 -0400,
Viking <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On 20 May 2007 20:59:21 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>I'm thinking of traveling to Europe for a month, and I was wondering
>>which country of these would be cheapest to live in:
>>
>> Austria
>> Belgium
>> France
>> Germany
>> Spain
>> Netherlands
>> Switzerland
>> United Kingdom
>> Ireland
>>
>
>OK, I'm tired of everyone saying Spain is the cheapest. They're just
>trying to hide the truth from you.

I'm tired of boring trolls.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=au...coolgroups.com

This guy has been hitting dozens of groups, with mixed success.
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