carry passport or copy
Mar 31st 2005 | 2:27 pm
#76
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:32:34 +0200, Donna Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>Here in France, foreigners used to have to fill out a "fiche" with passport
>number, home address, etc. This does not seem to be the case any more.
Crucial bit of scenario in the 'Day of the Jackal' where
the police inspector wanted to see the hotel fiches to see
who had been staying there.
>Here in France, foreigners used to have to fill out a "fiche" with passport
>number, home address, etc. This does not seem to be the case any more.
Crucial bit of scenario in the 'Day of the Jackal' where
the police inspector wanted to see the hotel fiches to see
who had been staying there.
Mar 31st 2005 | 2:33 pm
#77
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:32:34 +0200, Donna Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>Here in France, foreigners used to have to fill out a "fiche" with passport
>number, home address, etc. This does not seem to be the case any more.
Doesn't seem that many years ago that one go into a hotel
and see passports in thos pigeon holes behind the counter,
along with messages for the guests.
>Here in France, foreigners used to have to fill out a "fiche" with passport
>number, home address, etc. This does not seem to be the case any more.
Doesn't seem that many years ago that one go into a hotel
and see passports in thos pigeon holes behind the counter,
along with messages for the guests.
Mar 31st 2005 | 3:17 pm
#78
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
Jens Arne Maennig wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>Jens Arne Maennig wrote:
>
>
>>>That's one of the advantages of living isolated on an island: You just
>>>don't fall into other countries by chance.
>>It's a little difficult to do that if you live in the U.S., too!
>
>
> Even if that might be new to the majority of US citizens: They have
> Canada in the north and Mexico in the south.
True, but it's a bit difficult to "fall into" either of them
by chance! (Unless you live nearby in one of the border
states.)
Additionally, they tend to
>
> a) travel
But the percentage who travel outside of their own country
is depressingly small.
and
> b) occupy foreign countries
That being the exception of course - but hardly travel from
choice, on the part of those actually doing the "occupying".
(And I don't think passports are required of an invading
army, are they?)
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>Jens Arne Maennig wrote:
>
>
>>>That's one of the advantages of living isolated on an island: You just
>>>don't fall into other countries by chance.
>>It's a little difficult to do that if you live in the U.S., too!
>
>
> Even if that might be new to the majority of US citizens: They have
> Canada in the north and Mexico in the south.
True, but it's a bit difficult to "fall into" either of them
by chance! (Unless you live nearby in one of the border
states.)
Additionally, they tend to
>
> a) travel
But the percentage who travel outside of their own country
is depressingly small.
and
> b) occupy foreign countries
That being the exception of course - but hardly travel from
choice, on the part of those actually doing the "occupying".
(And I don't think passports are required of an invading
army, are they?)
Mar 31st 2005 | 5:49 pm
#79
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
Frank Hucklenbroich <[email protected]> wrote:
> Even when you apply for a passport you don't do that in person, but by
> post. You simply send the form and two photos (one countersigned by some
> official who knows you for a while), and they mail you the passport.
Note the fine point: countersigned by some official.
I know a British fellow, married to an Italian woman and living in
Florence. Some years ago, his passaport expired and he applied for a new
one in Florence British consulate. He was given a form and he had to
find some officials that know him since a while to countersign his
requests.
Government officials would be good, as well as priests and professionals
such as lawyers and physicians. But he knew few officials here to
countersign his form.
I am not a government official, not a priest, not a physician, but he
was thinking that, as a department manager in a state-sponsored opera
house I could qualify as well. He approached me (I had known him since
few years, and I know his wife), I duly signed and also affixed a stamp
that was very official looking.
In Italy, you simply go to the main police station, show an photo ID
card, and they will issue your passport. (You need the photo ID? The
municipal administration issues them).
It looks much straightforward than the British system. Also, the British
assumption that government officials, priests and professionals are more
reliable witnesses sounds quite old fashioned. A same-for-all photo ID
sounds more democratic.
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius
(musicologia pratica)
> Even when you apply for a passport you don't do that in person, but by
> post. You simply send the form and two photos (one countersigned by some
> official who knows you for a while), and they mail you the passport.
Note the fine point: countersigned by some official.
I know a British fellow, married to an Italian woman and living in
Florence. Some years ago, his passaport expired and he applied for a new
one in Florence British consulate. He was given a form and he had to
find some officials that know him since a while to countersign his
requests.
Government officials would be good, as well as priests and professionals
such as lawyers and physicians. But he knew few officials here to
countersign his form.
I am not a government official, not a priest, not a physician, but he
was thinking that, as a department manager in a state-sponsored opera
house I could qualify as well. He approached me (I had known him since
few years, and I know his wife), I duly signed and also affixed a stamp
that was very official looking.
In Italy, you simply go to the main police station, show an photo ID
card, and they will issue your passport. (You need the photo ID? The
municipal administration issues them).
It looks much straightforward than the British system. Also, the British
assumption that government officials, priests and professionals are more
reliable witnesses sounds quite old fashioned. A same-for-all photo ID
sounds more democratic.
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius
(musicologia pratica)
Mar 31st 2005 | 5:54 pm
#80
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
"irwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:16:38 +0100, "Keith W"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Well I suppose events like 9/11 and Madrid Train Station
> are part of the 'modern' state of affairs.
All of the perpetrators of those acts had valid ID and it
hardly stopped them now did it ?
> BTW all British
> Citizens were required to carry ID cards during WW2 and up
> to about 1952, even infants and children, still have mine.
Indeed but how precisely is carrying an ID card supposed
to actually protect us ?
Keith
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:16:38 +0100, "Keith W"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Well I suppose events like 9/11 and Madrid Train Station
> are part of the 'modern' state of affairs.
All of the perpetrators of those acts had valid ID and it
hardly stopped them now did it ?
> BTW all British
> Citizens were required to carry ID cards during WW2 and up
> to about 1952, even infants and children, still have mine.
Indeed but how precisely is carrying an ID card supposed
to actually protect us ?
Keith
Mar 31st 2005 | 5:58 pm
#81
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BE71E171.5E586%[email protected]...
> On 31/03/05 16:47, in article [email protected], "Keith W"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The only place in the UK I have had to show official
>> ID to get in was a defense establishment covered
>> by the terms of the Official Secrets act.
> Then you don't visit prisons!
> In the US---
> "Make Sure that You Have Proper Identification"
> "You are now required to have a acceptable set of identification in order
> to
> either enter the secure areas of the airport or to enter an aircraft."
> "Typically, a current photo identification that was issued by some level
> of
> government will be sufficient. For example, driver's licenses, state ID
> cards, military ID cards, and passports are acceptable, but photo
> identification issued by a school or private employer are not acceptable."
In the UK the regulations quote
All visitors to closed prisons over the age of 18, whether visiting for
social
or official purposes must be required to prove their identity at reception.
Acceptable forms of identification are;
Passport
Driving licence
Benefits book
Employers or Students ID Card (must include clear name, photograph and
signature)
EC Identity Card
Senior Citizen's public transport pass issued by the local authority
some are picture ID some not
Keith
news:BE71E171.5E586%[email protected]...
> On 31/03/05 16:47, in article [email protected], "Keith W"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The only place in the UK I have had to show official
>> ID to get in was a defense establishment covered
>> by the terms of the Official Secrets act.
> Then you don't visit prisons!
> In the US---
> "Make Sure that You Have Proper Identification"
> "You are now required to have a acceptable set of identification in order
> to
> either enter the secure areas of the airport or to enter an aircraft."
> "Typically, a current photo identification that was issued by some level
> of
> government will be sufficient. For example, driver's licenses, state ID
> cards, military ID cards, and passports are acceptable, but photo
> identification issued by a school or private employer are not acceptable."
In the UK the regulations quote
All visitors to closed prisons over the age of 18, whether visiting for
social
or official purposes must be required to prove their identity at reception.
Acceptable forms of identification are;
Passport
Driving licence
Benefits book
Employers or Students ID Card (must include clear name, photograph and
signature)
EC Identity Card
Senior Citizen's public transport pass issued by the local authority
some are picture ID some not
Keith
Mar 31st 2005 | 6:26 pm
#82
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
Am Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:49:29 +0200 schrieb Luca Logi:
> Note the fine point: countersigned by some official.
>
> I know a British fellow, married to an Italian woman and living in
> Florence. Some years ago, his passaport expired and he applied for a new
> one in Florence British consulate. He was given a form and he had to
> find some officials that know him since a while to countersign his
> requests.
>
> Government officials would be good, as well as priests and professionals
> such as lawyers and physicians. But he knew few officials here to
> countersign his form.
I know someone british living in Germany for many years. Whenever he gets
his passport renewed he also needs this countersign-thing. In his case he
once used a clerk from his bank, in another case he used his physician.
Never any problem and he always got his ew passport within 3 or 4 days.
Regards,
Frank
> Note the fine point: countersigned by some official.
>
> I know a British fellow, married to an Italian woman and living in
> Florence. Some years ago, his passaport expired and he applied for a new
> one in Florence British consulate. He was given a form and he had to
> find some officials that know him since a while to countersign his
> requests.
>
> Government officials would be good, as well as priests and professionals
> such as lawyers and physicians. But he knew few officials here to
> countersign his form.
I know someone british living in Germany for many years. Whenever he gets
his passport renewed he also needs this countersign-thing. In his case he
once used a clerk from his bank, in another case he used his physician.
Never any problem and he always got his ew passport within 3 or 4 days.
Regards,
Frank
Mar 31st 2005 | 6:31 pm
#83
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
irwell wrote:
> Well I suppose events like 9/11 and Madrid Train Station
> are part of the 'modern' state of affairs. BTW all British
> Citizens were required to carry ID cards during WW2 and up
> to about 1952, even infants and children, still have mine.
My wife still has hers. An interesting fatoid:- It was the post-war
Churchill government who eventually abolished the wartime identity card,
after a heroic motorist refused to show his.
On 7 December 1950, the 54 year old businessman,Clarence Henry Willcock,
was stopped while driving in London by a police officer who demanded
that he present his Identity Card at a police station within 48 hours.
He refused, was prosecuted and convicted.
Willcock appealed, in the case Willcock vs Muckle. Although he lost the
appeal, the Lord Chief Justice Lord Goddard spoke out against the
continued use of compulsory Identity Cards and commented that they "tend
to make people resentful of the acts of the police".
Goddard's comments are thought to have influenced Winston Churchill's
decision to scrap compulsory national Identity Cards in 1952.
> Well I suppose events like 9/11 and Madrid Train Station
> are part of the 'modern' state of affairs. BTW all British
> Citizens were required to carry ID cards during WW2 and up
> to about 1952, even infants and children, still have mine.
My wife still has hers. An interesting fatoid:- It was the post-war
Churchill government who eventually abolished the wartime identity card,
after a heroic motorist refused to show his.
On 7 December 1950, the 54 year old businessman,Clarence Henry Willcock,
was stopped while driving in London by a police officer who demanded
that he present his Identity Card at a police station within 48 hours.
He refused, was prosecuted and convicted.
Willcock appealed, in the case Willcock vs Muckle. Although he lost the
appeal, the Lord Chief Justice Lord Goddard spoke out against the
continued use of compulsory Identity Cards and commented that they "tend
to make people resentful of the acts of the police".
Goddard's comments are thought to have influenced Winston Churchill's
decision to scrap compulsory national Identity Cards in 1952.
Mar 31st 2005 | 7:37 pm
#84
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
Following up to irwell
>We have just finished booking two hotels in London
>on the internet. One because booking ahead is essential
>to ensure a room and (2) to get a decent rate.
>Both bookings require Credit Card confirmation and
> also require a photo ID at check-in. Same with the
>Eurostar reservation and booking, the tix are to be
>picked up at Waterloo and the Credit Card used for the
>booking and a phot ID will be required.
>The UK as usual is being dragged and screaming into the
>modern world.
I have never produced ID on checking into a UK hotel. Eurostar is
a different issue, being foreign travel.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>We have just finished booking two hotels in London
>on the internet. One because booking ahead is essential
>to ensure a room and (2) to get a decent rate.
>Both bookings require Credit Card confirmation and
> also require a photo ID at check-in. Same with the
>Eurostar reservation and booking, the tix are to be
>picked up at Waterloo and the Credit Card used for the
>booking and a phot ID will be required.
>The UK as usual is being dragged and screaming into the
>modern world.
I have never produced ID on checking into a UK hotel. Eurostar is
a different issue, being foreign travel.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Mar 31st 2005 | 7:37 pm
#85
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
> I'd bet on it, given the idiotic (and no doubt
>trolling) equation of national ID cards with being civilised.
I reckon the binge drinking will stop if we get ID cards.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
> I'd bet on it, given the idiotic (and no doubt
>trolling) equation of national ID cards with being civilised.
I reckon the binge drinking will stop if we get ID cards.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Mar 31st 2005 | 7:37 pm
#86
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>> On most of stays in UK hotels I simply wouldnt have one
>> with me.
>Me neither, and that's included hotels where I've booked in advance,
>gotten 'special' rates and so on.
and of course some people don't even have any photo ID to show.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>> On most of stays in UK hotels I simply wouldnt have one
>> with me.
>Me neither, and that's included hotels where I've booked in advance,
>gotten 'special' rates and so on.
and of course some people don't even have any photo ID to show.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Mar 31st 2005 | 7:37 pm
#87
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
Following up to Earl Evleth
>> Don't let the British hear that ;-)
>> (They don't have ID-cards).
>All Brits look the same so it would do no good.
I look just like Tony Blair and Soul Campbell.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>> Don't let the British hear that ;-)
>> (They don't have ID-cards).
>All Brits look the same so it would do no good.
I look just like Tony Blair and Soul Campbell.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Mar 31st 2005 | 7:37 pm
#88
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
Following up to Jim Ley
>>You're running the risk of losing it or having it stolen. Having to replace
>>a passport is a sure way to ruin at least part of a vacation.
>How does it "ruin" a holiday - you visit your embassy or consulate,
>you chat to the nice people in there, they sort you out.
>Okay it takes some time, it's inconvenient, but does it really "ruin"
>the entire holiday?
It ruins part of it, as he said. If you're touring in rural
wherever, you are going to lose at least a day.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>>You're running the risk of losing it or having it stolen. Having to replace
>>a passport is a sure way to ruin at least part of a vacation.
>How does it "ruin" a holiday - you visit your embassy or consulate,
>you chat to the nice people in there, they sort you out.
>Okay it takes some time, it's inconvenient, but does it really "ruin"
>the entire holiday?
It ruins part of it, as he said. If you're touring in rural
wherever, you are going to lose at least a day.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Mar 31st 2005 | 7:37 pm
#89
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
> There was only one 'approved' shop in Manchester for the
>photographs, run by a very surly man. A lot of people make their own
>photographs now, apparently.
I just use one of those self service booths.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
> There was only one 'approved' shop in Manchester for the
>photographs, run by a very surly man. A lot of people make their own
>photographs now, apparently.
I just use one of those self service booths.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Mar 31st 2005 | 8:08 pm
#90
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: carry passport or copy
The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>
> > There was only one 'approved' shop in Manchester for the
> >photographs, run by a very surly man. A lot of people make their own
> >photographs now, apparently.
>
> I just use one of those self service booths.
That's fine for UK passports, but not for US passport pictures. They
have pretty rigid requirements.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>
> > There was only one 'approved' shop in Manchester for the
> >photographs, run by a very surly man. A lot of people make their own
> >photographs now, apparently.
>
> I just use one of those self service booths.
That's fine for UK passports, but not for US passport pictures. They
have pretty rigid requirements.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
