Bye Bye Ryanair
Dec 12th 2004 | 9:17 am
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Re: Bye Bye Ryanair
Jeff Hacker wrote:
> You are just plain wrong. AA's fares also "tend to be at the top end of the
> range" but they weren't raised to finance MRTC. Nothing that wasn't in
> place long before that.
MTRC came for free at AA. When AA upgraded a large part of its aging domestic
fleet with 737s, it ended up with planes that were larger than their
predecessors. To keep load factors up, they simply removed a few seats from
those larger planes to prevent capacity from rising too much.
Since 9-11, AA has streamlined its fleet/schedule to some extent, and will
accomodate increased demand on a smaller fleet by putting back those excess
seats that had been removed. (instead of buying new planes).
> You are just plain wrong. AA's fares also "tend to be at the top end of the
> range" but they weren't raised to finance MRTC. Nothing that wasn't in
> place long before that.
MTRC came for free at AA. When AA upgraded a large part of its aging domestic
fleet with 737s, it ended up with planes that were larger than their
predecessors. To keep load factors up, they simply removed a few seats from
those larger planes to prevent capacity from rising too much.
Since 9-11, AA has streamlined its fleet/schedule to some extent, and will
accomodate increased demand on a smaller fleet by putting back those excess
seats that had been removed. (instead of buying new planes).
Dec 12th 2004 | 7:53 pm
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Following up to Calif Bill
>> same height as me, you wont see me on long haul.
>Sometimes you have to long haul. 14.5 hours in the air SFO to Hong Kong.
I have the choice of not going.
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>> same height as me, you wont see me on long haul.
>Sometimes you have to long haul. 14.5 hours in the air SFO to Hong Kong.
I have the choice of not going.
--
Mike Reid
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Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Dec 12th 2004 | 8:16 pm
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"Freda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well, every flight I have taken in World Traveller Plus
> which is British Airways Premium economy
> (of which there are only about 6 rows of
> 2-4-2 combinations on the 747's)
> The seats have always been fully occupied whilst in
> "cattle class" there are usually quite a few spare seats
> floating around the cabin.
> Once from Singapore to Sydney Australia in
> "cattle class" economy, I had a row of three seat to myself
> and immediately "upped" the armrests and made a nice bed
> of the three seats. Slept like a log for the 7 hr flight.
> That situation doesnt happen too often though.
I've had that a few times, its very nice when you get it. And even better
when you get a middle row of 4 or 5 to yourself.
The other option I have heard of is, when travelling with a friend and
having 3 seats between you is one lies on the 3 seats, the other kips on the
floor, but some FA's dont like the floor idea.
> But I find the extra I have to pay for the premium class
> guarantees me a lot more restful flight on the long haul flights
> ie LHR - BKK or LHR -SIN which are both around
> 13hrs flying time.
So is there actually any more seat recline than steerage ?
If not what is your secret to getting better sleep in those seats ?
news:[email protected]...
> Well, every flight I have taken in World Traveller Plus
> which is British Airways Premium economy
> (of which there are only about 6 rows of
> 2-4-2 combinations on the 747's)
> The seats have always been fully occupied whilst in
> "cattle class" there are usually quite a few spare seats
> floating around the cabin.
> Once from Singapore to Sydney Australia in
> "cattle class" economy, I had a row of three seat to myself
> and immediately "upped" the armrests and made a nice bed
> of the three seats. Slept like a log for the 7 hr flight.
> That situation doesnt happen too often though.
I've had that a few times, its very nice when you get it. And even better
when you get a middle row of 4 or 5 to yourself.
The other option I have heard of is, when travelling with a friend and
having 3 seats between you is one lies on the 3 seats, the other kips on the
floor, but some FA's dont like the floor idea.
> But I find the extra I have to pay for the premium class
> guarantees me a lot more restful flight on the long haul flights
> ie LHR - BKK or LHR -SIN which are both around
> 13hrs flying time.
So is there actually any more seat recline than steerage ?
If not what is your secret to getting better sleep in those seats ?
Dec 12th 2004 | 10:48 pm
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Havent checked it physically against cattle class seats but It reclined well
enough for me and has a lower leg rest like a recliner lounge chair and this
supports your body from the knees down plus the usual foot rest
The 7 inches extra gap alows my long legs to extend fully without going
under the seat in front.
Cant say anything else re actual specifications other than have a look at BA
site
I searched on "World traveller plus seating"
which says:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What is the seat size in World Traveller Plus, including the seat pitch?
Seat pitch is 38-inches, which is the distance from the back of your seat
cushion (where it meets the upright support) to the back of the seat in
front of you.
Seat cushion width is 18.5-inches.
Angle of seat maximum recline is 7".
Overall length of seat back upright is 26-inches.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
and
Your seat is not only wider and more comfortable, it comes with additional
recline, adjustable headrest, 4 way lumbar support, footrest and legrest.
Your personal in-seat entertainment system provides a wider choice of on
screen entertainment with 18 channels of the latest blockbuster movies and
TV entertainment as well as interactive computer games*
If you need to work, your seat is equipped with laptop power point and
individual phone.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I got 6.5 hrs sleep in one stretch on BKK - LHR last time in BA WTplus.
Freda
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"Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Freda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Well, every flight I have taken in World Traveller Plus
> > which is British Airways Premium economy
> > (of which there are only about 6 rows of
> > 2-4-2 combinations on the 747's)
> > The seats have always been fully occupied whilst in
> > "cattle class" there are usually quite a few spare seats
> > floating around the cabin.
> > Once from Singapore to Sydney Australia in
> > "cattle class" economy, I had a row of three seat to myself
> > and immediately "upped" the armrests and made a nice bed
> > of the three seats. Slept like a log for the 7 hr flight.
> > That situation doesnt happen too often though.
> I've had that a few times, its very nice when you get it. And even better
> when you get a middle row of 4 or 5 to yourself.
> The other option I have heard of is, when travelling with a friend and
> having 3 seats between you is one lies on the 3 seats, the other kips on
the
> floor, but some FA's dont like the floor idea.
> > But I find the extra I have to pay for the premium class
> > guarantees me a lot more restful flight on the long haul flights
> > ie LHR - BKK or LHR -SIN which are both around
> > 13hrs flying time.
> >
> So is there actually any more seat recline than steerage ?
> If not what is your secret to getting better sleep in those seats ?
enough for me and has a lower leg rest like a recliner lounge chair and this
supports your body from the knees down plus the usual foot rest
The 7 inches extra gap alows my long legs to extend fully without going
under the seat in front.
Cant say anything else re actual specifications other than have a look at BA
site
I searched on "World traveller plus seating"
which says:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What is the seat size in World Traveller Plus, including the seat pitch?
Seat pitch is 38-inches, which is the distance from the back of your seat
cushion (where it meets the upright support) to the back of the seat in
front of you.
Seat cushion width is 18.5-inches.
Angle of seat maximum recline is 7".
Overall length of seat back upright is 26-inches.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
and
Your seat is not only wider and more comfortable, it comes with additional
recline, adjustable headrest, 4 way lumbar support, footrest and legrest.
Your personal in-seat entertainment system provides a wider choice of on
screen entertainment with 18 channels of the latest blockbuster movies and
TV entertainment as well as interactive computer games*
If you need to work, your seat is equipped with laptop power point and
individual phone.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I got 6.5 hrs sleep in one stretch on BKK - LHR last time in BA WTplus.
Freda
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Please reply to the list as my email address is a fake
"Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Freda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Well, every flight I have taken in World Traveller Plus
> > which is British Airways Premium economy
> > (of which there are only about 6 rows of
> > 2-4-2 combinations on the 747's)
> > The seats have always been fully occupied whilst in
> > "cattle class" there are usually quite a few spare seats
> > floating around the cabin.
> > Once from Singapore to Sydney Australia in
> > "cattle class" economy, I had a row of three seat to myself
> > and immediately "upped" the armrests and made a nice bed
> > of the three seats. Slept like a log for the 7 hr flight.
> > That situation doesnt happen too often though.
> I've had that a few times, its very nice when you get it. And even better
> when you get a middle row of 4 or 5 to yourself.
> The other option I have heard of is, when travelling with a friend and
> having 3 seats between you is one lies on the 3 seats, the other kips on
the
> floor, but some FA's dont like the floor idea.
> > But I find the extra I have to pay for the premium class
> > guarantees me a lot more restful flight on the long haul flights
> > ie LHR - BKK or LHR -SIN which are both around
> > 13hrs flying time.
> >
> So is there actually any more seat recline than steerage ?
> If not what is your secret to getting better sleep in those seats ?
Dec 13th 2004 | 8:10 am
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Re: Bye Bye Ryanair
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:28:17 GMT, "Calif Bill"
<[email protected]> wrote:
[ Snip ]
>I was lucky in my Asia / Oz trips to have corporate pay for business class.
>I did buy business class for my wife when she went along. One trip, 747SP
>and there were only about 125 people on board. I went back to coach and had
>the whole 5 seats in the middle empty and slept about 8 hours of the trip.
>Even more comfortable than Pan Am business class. Only trip ever that I saw
>that scenario,
(Just a nit, but there are only 4 seats in the center section of a
747, including the SP).
Last two trips between Australasia and the USA I've had a block of
three seats together. On the way down, they explicitly blocked them
for me, on the way back it was "just" luck...
I don't fit too well in just three seats... <g>
Malc.
<[email protected]> wrote:
[ Snip ]
>I was lucky in my Asia / Oz trips to have corporate pay for business class.
>I did buy business class for my wife when she went along. One trip, 747SP
>and there were only about 125 people on board. I went back to coach and had
>the whole 5 seats in the middle empty and slept about 8 hours of the trip.
>Even more comfortable than Pan Am business class. Only trip ever that I saw
>that scenario,
(Just a nit, but there are only 4 seats in the center section of a
747, including the SP).
Last two trips between Australasia and the USA I've had a block of
three seats together. On the way down, they explicitly blocked them
for me, on the way back it was "just" luck...
I don't fit too well in just three seats... <g>
Malc.
Dec 13th 2004 | 3:08 pm
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Yes, you do have a choice. But since I made a lot of money from my job, I
had great incentive to go. But I did fly business class.
"The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Following up to Calif Bill
> >> same height as me, you wont see me on long haul.
> >Sometimes you have to long haul. 14.5 hours in the air SFO to Hong Kong.
> I have the choice of not going.
> --
> Mike Reid
> Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can
email us@ this site
> Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a
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had great incentive to go. But I did fly business class.
"The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Following up to Calif Bill
> >> same height as me, you wont see me on long haul.
> >Sometimes you have to long haul. 14.5 hours in the air SFO to Hong Kong.
> I have the choice of not going.
> --
> Mike Reid
> Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can
email us@ this site
> Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a
spamtrap
Dec 13th 2004 | 3:11 pm
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was about 1983, and I seem to remember 5 seats, but a whole row allows me a
6'4" to stretch out.
"Malcolm Weir" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:28:17 GMT, "Calif Bill"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> [ Snip ]
> >I was lucky in my Asia / Oz trips to have corporate pay for business
class.
> >I did buy business class for my wife when she went along. One trip,
747SP
> >and there were only about 125 people on board. I went back to coach and
had
> >the whole 5 seats in the middle empty and slept about 8 hours of the
trip.
> >Even more comfortable than Pan Am business class. Only trip ever that I
saw
> >that scenario,
> (Just a nit, but there are only 4 seats in the center section of a
> 747, including the SP).
> Last two trips between Australasia and the USA I've had a block of
> three seats together. On the way down, they explicitly blocked them
> for me, on the way back it was "just" luck...
> I don't fit too well in just three seats... <g>
> Malc.
6'4" to stretch out.
"Malcolm Weir" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:28:17 GMT, "Calif Bill"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> [ Snip ]
> >I was lucky in my Asia / Oz trips to have corporate pay for business
class.
> >I did buy business class for my wife when she went along. One trip,
747SP
> >and there were only about 125 people on board. I went back to coach and
had
> >the whole 5 seats in the middle empty and slept about 8 hours of the
trip.
> >Even more comfortable than Pan Am business class. Only trip ever that I
saw
> >that scenario,
> (Just a nit, but there are only 4 seats in the center section of a
> 747, including the SP).
> Last two trips between Australasia and the USA I've had a block of
> three seats together. On the way down, they explicitly blocked them
> for me, on the way back it was "just" luck...
> I don't fit too well in just three seats... <g>
> Malc.
Dec 13th 2004 | 4:14 pm
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:11:30 GMT, "Calif Bill"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>was about 1983, and I seem to remember 5 seats, but a whole row allows me a
>6'4" to stretch out.
Nope, never 5 across on a 747.
>"Malcolm Weir" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:28:17 GMT, "Calif Bill"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [ Snip ]
>> >I was lucky in my Asia / Oz trips to have corporate pay for business
>class.
>> >I did buy business class for my wife when she went along. One trip,
>747SP
>> >and there were only about 125 people on board. I went back to coach and
>had
>> >the whole 5 seats in the middle empty and slept about 8 hours of the
>trip.
>> >Even more comfortable than Pan Am business class. Only trip ever that I
>saw
>> >that scenario,
>> (Just a nit, but there are only 4 seats in the center section of a
>> 747, including the SP).
>> Last two trips between Australasia and the USA I've had a block of
>> three seats together. On the way down, they explicitly blocked them
>> for me, on the way back it was "just" luck...
>> I don't fit too well in just three seats... <g>
>> Malc.
--==++AJC++==--
<[email protected]> wrote:
>was about 1983, and I seem to remember 5 seats, but a whole row allows me a
>6'4" to stretch out.
Nope, never 5 across on a 747.
>"Malcolm Weir" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:28:17 GMT, "Calif Bill"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [ Snip ]
>> >I was lucky in my Asia / Oz trips to have corporate pay for business
>class.
>> >I did buy business class for my wife when she went along. One trip,
>747SP
>> >and there were only about 125 people on board. I went back to coach and
>had
>> >the whole 5 seats in the middle empty and slept about 8 hours of the
>trip.
>> >Even more comfortable than Pan Am business class. Only trip ever that I
>saw
>> >that scenario,
>> (Just a nit, but there are only 4 seats in the center section of a
>> 747, including the SP).
>> Last two trips between Australasia and the USA I've had a block of
>> three seats together. On the way down, they explicitly blocked them
>> for me, on the way back it was "just" luck...
>> I don't fit too well in just three seats... <g>
>> Malc.
--==++AJC++==--
Dec 13th 2004 | 4:57 pm
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"AJC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:11:30 GMT, "Calif Bill"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >was about 1983, and I seem to remember 5 seats, but a whole row allows me
a
> >6'4" to stretch out.
> >
> Nope, never 5 across on a 747.
This was the 747SP
> >"Malcolm Weir" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected].. .
> >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:28:17 GMT, "Calif Bill"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> [ Snip ]
> >>
> >> >I was lucky in my Asia / Oz trips to have corporate pay for business
> >class.
> >> >I did buy business class for my wife when she went along. One trip,
> >747SP
> >> >and there were only about 125 people on board. I went back to coach
and
> >had
> >> >the whole 5 seats in the middle empty and slept about 8 hours of the
> >trip.
> >> >Even more comfortable than Pan Am business class. Only trip ever that
I
> >saw
> >> >that scenario,
> >>
> >> (Just a nit, but there are only 4 seats in the center section of a
> >> 747, including the SP).
> >>
> >> Last two trips between Australasia and the USA I've had a block of
> >> three seats together. On the way down, they explicitly blocked them
> >> for me, on the way back it was "just" luck...
> >>
> >> I don't fit too well in just three seats... <g>
> >>
> >> Malc.
> >
> --==++AJC++==--
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:11:30 GMT, "Calif Bill"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >was about 1983, and I seem to remember 5 seats, but a whole row allows me
a
> >6'4" to stretch out.
> >
> Nope, never 5 across on a 747.
This was the 747SP
> >"Malcolm Weir" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected].. .
> >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:28:17 GMT, "Calif Bill"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> [ Snip ]
> >>
> >> >I was lucky in my Asia / Oz trips to have corporate pay for business
> >class.
> >> >I did buy business class for my wife when she went along. One trip,
> >747SP
> >> >and there were only about 125 people on board. I went back to coach
and
> >had
> >> >the whole 5 seats in the middle empty and slept about 8 hours of the
> >trip.
> >> >Even more comfortable than Pan Am business class. Only trip ever that
I
> >saw
> >> >that scenario,
> >>
> >> (Just a nit, but there are only 4 seats in the center section of a
> >> 747, including the SP).
> >>
> >> Last two trips between Australasia and the USA I've had a block of
> >> three seats together. On the way down, they explicitly blocked them
> >> for me, on the way back it was "just" luck...
> >>
> >> I don't fit too well in just three seats... <g>
> >>
> >> Malc.
> >
> --==++AJC++==--
Dec 13th 2004 | 9:38 pm
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Following up to Calif Bill
>Yes, you do have a choice. But since I made a lot of money from my job, I
>had great incentive to go. But I did fly business class.
business class for work is different from economy for rec.travel!
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>Yes, you do have a choice. But since I made a lot of money from my job, I
>had great incentive to go. But I did fly business class.
business class for work is different from economy for rec.travel!
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Dec 13th 2004 | 10:03 pm
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:38:08 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Calif Bill
>>Yes, you do have a choice. But since I made a lot of money from my job, I
>>had great incentive to go. But I did fly business class.
>business class for work is different from economy for rec.travel!
Some airline's business class on short haul is often a total waste of
money, on some KLM routes there is little difference between economy
and business class, same seat pitch, same width of seat, same crappy
food for example.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Calif Bill
>>Yes, you do have a choice. But since I made a lot of money from my job, I
>>had great incentive to go. But I did fly business class.
>business class for work is different from economy for rec.travel!
Some airline's business class on short haul is often a total waste of
money, on some KLM routes there is little difference between economy
and business class, same seat pitch, same width of seat, same crappy
food for example.
--
Martin
Dec 14th 2004 | 5:24 pm
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:57:17 GMT, "Calif Bill"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"AJC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:11:30 GMT, "Calif Bill"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >was about 1983, and I seem to remember 5 seats, but a whole row allows me
>a
>> >6'4" to stretch out.
>> >
>> Nope, never 5 across on a 747.
>This was the 747SP
Same thing, with a chunk chopped out of the fuselage and a larger
tail.
As AJC said, never on an 747.
Malc.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"AJC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:11:30 GMT, "Calif Bill"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >was about 1983, and I seem to remember 5 seats, but a whole row allows me
>a
>> >6'4" to stretch out.
>> >
>> Nope, never 5 across on a 747.
>This was the 747SP
Same thing, with a chunk chopped out of the fuselage and a larger
tail.
As AJC said, never on an 747.
Malc.
Dec 14th 2004 | 7:45 pm
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Malcolm Weir wrote:
> >> Nope, never 5 across on a 747.
> As AJC said, never on an 747.
Are you sure of that ? I was under the impression that some carrier at some
point in time had a 5 across in the middle (possibly with a 3-5-2 config).
> >> Nope, never 5 across on a 747.
> As AJC said, never on an 747.
Are you sure of that ? I was under the impression that some carrier at some
point in time had a 5 across in the middle (possibly with a 3-5-2 config).
Dec 14th 2004 | 8:02 pm
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 03:45:11 -0500, nobody <[email protected]> wrote:
>Malcolm Weir wrote:
>> >> Nope, never 5 across on a 747.
>> As AJC said, never on an 747.
>Are you sure of that ? I was under the impression that some carrier at some
>point in time had a 5 across in the middle (possibly with a 3-5-2 config).
I will happily challenge you, or anyone else, to provide some evidence
for that, fotos, seat plans, etc. I'm convinced you won't find any. So
convinced that I will attempt to eat the A330 on my desk if you do.
747s originally appeared with 3-4-2 layouts which fairly soon became
the standard 3-4-3. It was the wide body tri-jets that brought the 5
across middle seating arrangement, and I still remember a flight to
HEL(L), 13 hours in that middle seat, surrounded by Danish dentists,
with an IFE system that broke down and the supply of coffee that ran
out 5 hours in to the flight.
--==++AJC++==--
>Malcolm Weir wrote:
>> >> Nope, never 5 across on a 747.
>> As AJC said, never on an 747.
>Are you sure of that ? I was under the impression that some carrier at some
>point in time had a 5 across in the middle (possibly with a 3-5-2 config).
I will happily challenge you, or anyone else, to provide some evidence
for that, fotos, seat plans, etc. I'm convinced you won't find any. So
convinced that I will attempt to eat the A330 on my desk if you do.
747s originally appeared with 3-4-2 layouts which fairly soon became
the standard 3-4-3. It was the wide body tri-jets that brought the 5
across middle seating arrangement, and I still remember a flight to
HEL(L), 13 hours in that middle seat, surrounded by Danish dentists,
with an IFE system that broke down and the supply of coffee that ran
out 5 hours in to the flight.
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Dec 14th 2004 | 8:06 pm
#120
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From: Languedoc
Re: Bye Bye Ryanair
Originally Posted by Miss L. Toe
I had the misfortune last weekend to travel on one of those new Ryanair
planes with the non-reclining seats, and no-seat back pockets.
It was a real pain in the neck ! Especially when trying to have a nap.
Also they handed out those plastic coated 'menus', and, with no seat back
pocket people put them on the floor and then put their shoes on them, which
no doubt had previously trodden in dog-poo at some time. I wonder if they
get disinfected after every leg ?
The safety announcement even said to read the safety leaflet in the seat
back pocket in front of you !
Well that was enough for me - that was my last voluntary Ryanair flight.
Bye Bye MOL.
planes with the non-reclining seats, and no-seat back pockets.
It was a real pain in the neck ! Especially when trying to have a nap.
Also they handed out those plastic coated 'menus', and, with no seat back
pocket people put them on the floor and then put their shoes on them, which
no doubt had previously trodden in dog-poo at some time. I wonder if they
get disinfected after every leg ?
The safety announcement even said to read the safety leaflet in the seat
back pocket in front of you !
Well that was enough for me - that was my last voluntary Ryanair flight.
Bye Bye MOL.
On the other hand, I'm happy with the service. I'm flying to Stansted today for Euro 45 return. Stay for more than a few days and the airport parking is more than the flight !
And as they have ordered so many new planes, they just have to keep expanding their network.
For anyone interested I've put together a list of cheap flights going into Languedoc and NE Spain here : http://www.the-languedoc-page.com/la...ourism-air.htm
BTW, in a previous life, I commuted to the FE Business Class so I do know the difference !
Peter
