Bye Bye Ryanair
Dec 7th 2004 | 1:29 am
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Re: Bye Bye Ryanair
There is a choice and it is called Premium Economy, World Traveller Plus etc
etc. As usual every one complains about the seat but is not prepared to pay
for seats with more room....You get what you pay for with the airline seats
just like everything in this world...and no I don't fly first class
everywhere. I have had the pleasure of first class on both shorthaul and
longhaul, however this is when on business and the company is paying. I
regularly fly longhaul on holidays and I travel economy. On certain routes
you can choose an airline with better seat pitch/service over another. Some
routes you have no choice in economy but there is always premium. If you
don't like it don't fly economy
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>> NO - minimum seat measurements should be sufficient to allow 99.5% of
> adults
>> to sit comfortably when the seat in front is fully reclined.
> But whilst they are not please spare a thought for me sat behind you.
> --
>
etc. As usual every one complains about the seat but is not prepared to pay
for seats with more room....You get what you pay for with the airline seats
just like everything in this world...and no I don't fly first class
everywhere. I have had the pleasure of first class on both shorthaul and
longhaul, however this is when on business and the company is paying. I
regularly fly longhaul on holidays and I travel economy. On certain routes
you can choose an airline with better seat pitch/service over another. Some
routes you have no choice in economy but there is always premium. If you
don't like it don't fly economy
">
>> NO - minimum seat measurements should be sufficient to allow 99.5% of
> adults
>> to sit comfortably when the seat in front is fully reclined.
> But whilst they are not please spare a thought for me sat behind you.
> --
>
Dec 7th 2004 | 1:29 am
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> I've been on a KLM flight from Paris to A'dam some years ago with the
> same sort of seats, for some reason large sticky cream cakes were
> handed out without plates or serviettes, the bloke in the adjacent
> seat made a real mess, I saw him wiping his hands on the under side of
> the seat.
> --
> Martin
Does KLM still serve sticky cakes ? If not - which airline does as I would
certainly use them more often.
> same sort of seats, for some reason large sticky cream cakes were
> handed out without plates or serviettes, the bloke in the adjacent
> seat made a real mess, I saw him wiping his hands on the under side of
> the seat.
> --
> Martin
Does KLM still serve sticky cakes ? If not - which airline does as I would
certainly use them more often.
Dec 7th 2004 | 1:44 am
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:51:31 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Non-reclining seats should be obligatory on all short trips and on long
>>ones the seats should only be able to recline AFTER meals are
>> served.
>NO - minimum seat measurements should be sufficient to allow 99.5% of adults
>to sit comfortably when the seat in front is fully reclined.
NO, minimum seat measurements should be whatever the airline chooses,
as you've demonstrated you can exercise the right not to fly on those
airlines, I certainly don't want to subsidise your preferences.
Jim.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Non-reclining seats should be obligatory on all short trips and on long
>>ones the seats should only be able to recline AFTER meals are
>> served.
>NO - minimum seat measurements should be sufficient to allow 99.5% of adults
>to sit comfortably when the seat in front is fully reclined.
NO, minimum seat measurements should be whatever the airline chooses,
as you've demonstrated you can exercise the right not to fly on those
airlines, I certainly don't want to subsidise your preferences.
Jim.
Dec 7th 2004 | 1:45 am
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 07:12:50 -0500, nobody <[email protected]> wrote:
>re: lack of seat pockets and distribution of menus.
>Perhaps menus should have a velcro back to allow them to be affixed to the
>seatback instead of dropped on floor.
That would cover up the safety instructions...
Jim.
>re: lack of seat pockets and distribution of menus.
>Perhaps menus should have a velcro back to allow them to be affixed to the
>seatback instead of dropped on floor.
That would cover up the safety instructions...
Jim.
Dec 7th 2004 | 1:47 am
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Re: Bye Bye Ryanair
"Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I had the misfortune last weekend to travel on one of those new Ryanair
> planes with the non-reclining seats, and no-seat back pockets.
...
> The safety announcement even said to read the safety leaflet in the seat
> back pocket in front of you !..
I suspect that Ryanair are on shaky legal ground if they rely solely on the
crew demonstration to discharge the Commander's duty to ensure that
passengers are adequately briefed before take-off. While most passenegers do
not read the safety leaflet, it is generally taken to form part of the
passenger briefing and it does give information not covered in the crew
demonstration, such as an illustration of the bracing position.
Colin Bignell
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>I had the misfortune last weekend to travel on one of those new Ryanair
> planes with the non-reclining seats, and no-seat back pockets.
...
> The safety announcement even said to read the safety leaflet in the seat
> back pocket in front of you !..
I suspect that Ryanair are on shaky legal ground if they rely solely on the
crew demonstration to discharge the Commander's duty to ensure that
passengers are adequately briefed before take-off. While most passenegers do
not read the safety leaflet, it is generally taken to form part of the
passenger briefing and it does give information not covered in the crew
demonstration, such as an illustration of the bracing position.
Colin Bignell
Dec 7th 2004 | 2:16 am
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Re: Bye Bye Ryanair
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:51:31 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:
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>NO - minimum seat measurements should be sufficient to allow 99.5% of adults
>to sit comfortably when the seat in front is fully reclined.
Unfortunately, the zealots will claim that _they_ define what's
comfortable... and include things that having nothing to do with the
actual comfort of the seat, and everything to do with things they want
to do while seated.
Even more unfortunately, they don't want to pay for it. A typical 747
main deck economy section may have 40 rows of (on average) 9 seats,
with a pitch of 32 inches or so (rough figures). To add about three
inches, just remove four rows, or 36 seats. Then add 12% to the fare,
and it's a wash!
But the travel ling public has proven, time and time again, that they
don't care. They'd rather the fare was cheaper, and they'll then
complain about the *airline*!
Malc.
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[ Snip ]
>NO - minimum seat measurements should be sufficient to allow 99.5% of adults
>to sit comfortably when the seat in front is fully reclined.
Unfortunately, the zealots will claim that _they_ define what's
comfortable... and include things that having nothing to do with the
actual comfort of the seat, and everything to do with things they want
to do while seated.
Even more unfortunately, they don't want to pay for it. A typical 747
main deck economy section may have 40 rows of (on average) 9 seats,
with a pitch of 32 inches or so (rough figures). To add about three
inches, just remove four rows, or 36 seats. Then add 12% to the fare,
and it's a wash!
But the travel ling public has proven, time and time again, that they
don't care. They'd rather the fare was cheaper, and they'll then
complain about the *airline*!
Malc.
Dec 7th 2004 | 2:21 am
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Re: Bye Bye Ryanair
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:47:29 -0000, "nightjar"
<nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> wrote:
>"Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>I had the misfortune last weekend to travel on one of those new Ryanair
>> planes with the non-reclining seats, and no-seat back pockets.
>...
>> The safety announcement even said to read the safety leaflet in the seat
>> back pocket in front of you !..
>I suspect that Ryanair are on shaky legal ground if they rely solely on the
>crew demonstration to discharge the Commander's duty to ensure that
>passengers are adequately briefed before take-off. While most passenegers do
>not read the safety leaflet,
The safety instructions were directly on the seat in front of you, not
in a pocket, if you're short, that's all you'd see for the flight.
Jim.
<nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> wrote:
>"Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I had the misfortune last weekend to travel on one of those new Ryanair
>> planes with the non-reclining seats, and no-seat back pockets.
>...
>> The safety announcement even said to read the safety leaflet in the seat
>> back pocket in front of you !..
>I suspect that Ryanair are on shaky legal ground if they rely solely on the
>crew demonstration to discharge the Commander's duty to ensure that
>passengers are adequately briefed before take-off. While most passenegers do
>not read the safety leaflet,
The safety instructions were directly on the seat in front of you, not
in a pocket, if you're short, that's all you'd see for the flight.
Jim.
Dec 7th 2004 | 2:23 am
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> There is a choice and it is called Premium Economy, World Traveller Plus etc
> etc.
On some carriers on some routes. Most routes do *not* have a premium
economy service so you're left with economy (a few hundred) or business
class (a couple of thousand). Big difference.
Hilary
> etc.
On some carriers on some routes. Most routes do *not* have a premium
economy service so you're left with economy (a few hundred) or business
class (a couple of thousand). Big difference.
Hilary
Dec 7th 2004 | 3:50 am
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:29:20 -0000, "RaT" <[email protected]> wrote:
>There is a choice and it is called Premium Economy, World Traveller Plus etc
>etc. As usual every one complains about the seat but is not prepared to pay
>for seats with more room....You get what you pay for with the airline seats
>just like everything in this world...and no I don't fly first class
>everywhere. I have had the pleasure of first class on both shorthaul and
>longhaul, however this is when on business and the company is paying. I
>regularly fly longhaul on holidays and I travel economy. On certain routes
>you can choose an airline with better seat pitch/service over another. Some
>routes you have no choice in economy but there is always premium. If you
>don't like it don't fly economy
Ryan Air is take it or leave class only.
--
Martin
>There is a choice and it is called Premium Economy, World Traveller Plus etc
>etc. As usual every one complains about the seat but is not prepared to pay
>for seats with more room....You get what you pay for with the airline seats
>just like everything in this world...and no I don't fly first class
>everywhere. I have had the pleasure of first class on both shorthaul and
>longhaul, however this is when on business and the company is paying. I
>regularly fly longhaul on holidays and I travel economy. On certain routes
>you can choose an airline with better seat pitch/service over another. Some
>routes you have no choice in economy but there is always premium. If you
>don't like it don't fly economy
Ryan Air is take it or leave class only.
--
Martin
Dec 7th 2004 | 4:13 am
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Well said Malc, the last couple of long hauls I took I just wanted to get my
head down and skipped the first 'meal' entirely. I reclined the seat just a
bit so as not to intrude too much on the person sat behind but enough for me
to relax a bit.
As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3 inch
or £100 for double, giving 40 inches or so, no problem with me.
Col.
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head down and skipped the first 'meal' entirely. I reclined the seat just a
bit so as not to intrude too much on the person sat behind but enough for me
to relax a bit.
As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3 inch
or £100 for double, giving 40 inches or so, no problem with me.
Col.
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Dec 7th 2004 | 4:20 am
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"Col" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well said Malc, the last couple of long hauls I took I just wanted to get
my
> head down and skipped the first 'meal' entirely. I reclined the seat just
a
> bit so as not to intrude too much on the person sat behind but enough for
me
> to relax a bit.
> As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3 inch
> or £100 for double, giving 40 inches or so, no problem with me.
But who should pay ?
Me for wanting to recline or the person behind me for wanting knee room ?
and on that subject do the seats in BA WT+ and VS Premium economy (or other
carriers economy+) actually recline any more than their standard seats ?
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> Well said Malc, the last couple of long hauls I took I just wanted to get
my
> head down and skipped the first 'meal' entirely. I reclined the seat just
a
> bit so as not to intrude too much on the person sat behind but enough for
me
> to relax a bit.
> As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3 inch
> or £100 for double, giving 40 inches or so, no problem with me.
But who should pay ?
Me for wanting to recline or the person behind me for wanting knee room ?
and on that subject do the seats in BA WT+ and VS Premium economy (or other
carriers economy+) actually recline any more than their standard seats ?
Dec 7th 2004 | 4:27 am
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> > Well said Malc, the last couple of long hauls I took I just wanted to get
> my
> > head down and skipped the first 'meal' entirely. I reclined the seat just
> a
> > bit so as not to intrude too much on the person sat behind but enough for
> me
> > to relax a bit.
> >
> > As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3 inch
> > or £100 for double, giving 40 inches or so, no problem with me.
>
> But who should pay ?
>
> Me for wanting to recline or the person behind me for wanting knee room ?
>
> and on that subject do the seats in BA WT+ and VS Premium economy (or other
> carriers economy+) actually recline any more than their standard seats ?
According to one of my colleagues, all you get is more legroom. So this
means you can politely recline your seat all the way without infringing
too much on the personal space of the person behind you.
Hilary
> my
> > head down and skipped the first 'meal' entirely. I reclined the seat just
> a
> > bit so as not to intrude too much on the person sat behind but enough for
> me
> > to relax a bit.
> >
> > As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3 inch
> > or £100 for double, giving 40 inches or so, no problem with me.
>
> But who should pay ?
>
> Me for wanting to recline or the person behind me for wanting knee room ?
>
> and on that subject do the seats in BA WT+ and VS Premium economy (or other
> carriers economy+) actually recline any more than their standard seats ?
According to one of my colleagues, all you get is more legroom. So this
means you can politely recline your seat all the way without infringing
too much on the personal space of the person behind you.
Hilary
Dec 7th 2004 | 4:33 am
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:20:28 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Col" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Well said Malc, the last couple of long hauls I took I just wanted to get
>my
>> head down and skipped the first 'meal' entirely. I reclined the seat just
>a
>> bit so as not to intrude too much on the person sat behind but enough for
>me
>> to relax a bit.
>> As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3 inch
>> or £100 for double, giving 40 inches or so, no problem with me.
>But who should pay ?
>Me for wanting to recline or the person behind me for wanting knee room ?
If you stop complaining, you can sit on my knee in first class. :-)
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Martin
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>"Col" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Well said Malc, the last couple of long hauls I took I just wanted to get
>my
>> head down and skipped the first 'meal' entirely. I reclined the seat just
>a
>> bit so as not to intrude too much on the person sat behind but enough for
>me
>> to relax a bit.
>> As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3 inch
>> or £100 for double, giving 40 inches or so, no problem with me.
>But who should pay ?
>Me for wanting to recline or the person behind me for wanting knee room ?
If you stop complaining, you can sit on my knee in first class. :-)
--
Martin
Dec 7th 2004 | 4:42 am
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"Hilary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Well said Malc, the last couple of long hauls I took I just wanted to
get
> my
> > head down and skipped the first 'meal' entirely. I reclined the seat
just
> a
> > bit so as not to intrude too much on the person sat behind but enough
for
> me
> > to relax a bit.
> >
> > As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3
inch
> > or £100 for double, giving 40 inches or so, no problem with me.
> But who should pay ?
> Me for wanting to recline or the person behind me for wanting knee room ?
> and on that subject do the seats in BA WT+ and VS Premium economy (or
other
> carriers economy+) actually recline any more than their standard seats ?
>According to one of my colleagues, all you get is more legroom. So this
>means you can politely recline your seat all the way without infringing
>too much on the personal space of the person behind you.
wrong - its my personal space that my seat was designed to recline into -
the person behind is infringing my liberty if he stops me using it :-)
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> > Well said Malc, the last couple of long hauls I took I just wanted to
get
> my
> > head down and skipped the first 'meal' entirely. I reclined the seat
just
> a
> > bit so as not to intrude too much on the person sat behind but enough
for
> me
> > to relax a bit.
> >
> > As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3
inch
> > or £100 for double, giving 40 inches or so, no problem with me.
> But who should pay ?
> Me for wanting to recline or the person behind me for wanting knee room ?
> and on that subject do the seats in BA WT+ and VS Premium economy (or
other
> carriers economy+) actually recline any more than their standard seats ?
>According to one of my colleagues, all you get is more legroom. So this
>means you can politely recline your seat all the way without infringing
>too much on the personal space of the person behind you.
wrong - its my personal space that my seat was designed to recline into -
the person behind is infringing my liberty if he stops me using it :-)
Dec 7th 2004 | 4:49 am
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:13:26 GMT, "Col" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3 inch
>or £100 for double,
100quid is about what I spend on a weekend away all in, you may be
willing to pay it, but most people aren't.
Jim.
wrote:
>As for the increase - yeah I'd pay it, £50 or so added for an extra 3 inch
>or £100 for double,
100quid is about what I spend on a weekend away all in, you may be
willing to pay it, but most people aren't.
Jim.
