American Restaurant in Paris
Dec 11th 2003, 2:40 pm
#121
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
Probably should have said 'mostly unknown'. Truth be told you can
probably even find them in El Paso now, but not at the mom & pop type
places we frequent. Blue corn tortillas are upscale...........
Donna Evleth wrote:
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>
> Dans l'article <[email protected]>, randee <[email protected]> a
> écrit :
>
> > Blue corn tortillas are unknown in New Mexico
> > except in Santa Fe
>
> That's odd. I distinctly remember eating them in Albuquerque.
>
> Donna Evleth
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probably even find them in El Paso now, but not at the mom & pop type
places we frequent. Blue corn tortillas are upscale...........
Donna Evleth wrote:
>
>
> Dans l'article <[email protected]>, randee <[email protected]> a
> écrit :
>
> > Blue corn tortillas are unknown in New Mexico
> > except in Santa Fe
>
> That's odd. I distinctly remember eating them in Albuquerque.
>
> Donna Evleth
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Randee Greenwald
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Dec 11th 2003, 2:49 pm
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Re: American Restaurant in Paris
As I say, we know that, but we call it Spanish, sounds much higher class
to say you are going to get some Spanish food for lunch than to say you
are going out for Mexican. Even the Spanish (from Spain) restaurant
owner here admits the food he cooks here bears no resemblance to what he
eats when he visits relatives in Spain. One of the oldest restaurants
in town is called the Spanish Kitchen, but it is strictly a tortilla,
beans, and chili place. The upshot is that we tend to use the terms
Spanish and Mexican as synonyms, perhaps because at one time this area
was, you might say, more Spanish than Mexican. Seems to me it was once
called New Spain in fact.
"José M. Malo" wrote:
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> "randee" <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje
> news:[email protected]...
> > Not sure what your distinction is, actually, round these parts we just
> > call it all Spanish food if it isn't steak or hamburgers.
>
> Hint: Spain is not a synonym of Mexico, as Spanish is not a synonym of
> Mexican, either.
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to say you are going to get some Spanish food for lunch than to say you
are going out for Mexican. Even the Spanish (from Spain) restaurant
owner here admits the food he cooks here bears no resemblance to what he
eats when he visits relatives in Spain. One of the oldest restaurants
in town is called the Spanish Kitchen, but it is strictly a tortilla,
beans, and chili place. The upshot is that we tend to use the terms
Spanish and Mexican as synonyms, perhaps because at one time this area
was, you might say, more Spanish than Mexican. Seems to me it was once
called New Spain in fact.
"José M. Malo" wrote:
>
> "randee" <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje
> news:[email protected]...
> > Not sure what your distinction is, actually, round these parts we just
> > call it all Spanish food if it isn't steak or hamburgers.
>
> Hint: Spain is not a synonym of Mexico, as Spanish is not a synonym of
> Mexican, either.
--
wf.
Wayne Flowers
Randee Greenwald
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Dec 11th 2003, 2:53 pm
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Heh, yes I've heard that too. I've heard that really hot curries are in
fact easily as hot as any salsa. Only Indian restaurant near here is
about 60 miles away. Come to think of it I don't recall seeing any
Indian restaurants when we were in northern Italy this year, altho we
did see one or two Chinese restaurants.
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Deep Freud Moors wrote:
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> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:35:04 +0000, Reid <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Following up to randee
> >
> >>> I havnt been there but with a dearth of Mexicans or Texans I too
> >>> suspect that BritTexMex food may well be a world low best
> >>> avoided. At least I cant believe Texans eat the stuff I tried all
> >>> the time.
> >
> >>Did you take on tiny bit of the salsa on your tortilla chip and then
> >>drink gallons of water or Coke the rest of the day?
> >
> >I never drink coke but the way to kill chili heat is to eat bread
> >IMHO.
>
> Milk and yoghurt are my preferred methods. An Indian man once wisely
> told me to always have some yoghurt with a hot curry.
>
> The following day you might feel like sitting in a nice cold bucket of
> milk.
> ---
> DFM
fact easily as hot as any salsa. Only Indian restaurant near here is
about 60 miles away. Come to think of it I don't recall seeing any
Indian restaurants when we were in northern Italy this year, altho we
did see one or two Chinese restaurants.
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wf.
Deep Freud Moors wrote:
>
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:35:04 +0000, Reid <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Following up to randee
> >
> >>> I havnt been there but with a dearth of Mexicans or Texans I too
> >>> suspect that BritTexMex food may well be a world low best
> >>> avoided. At least I cant believe Texans eat the stuff I tried all
> >>> the time.
> >
> >>Did you take on tiny bit of the salsa on your tortilla chip and then
> >>drink gallons of water or Coke the rest of the day?
> >
> >I never drink coke but the way to kill chili heat is to eat bread
> >IMHO.
>
> Milk and yoghurt are my preferred methods. An Indian man once wisely
> told me to always have some yoghurt with a hot curry.
>
> The following day you might feel like sitting in a nice cold bucket of
> milk.
> ---
> DFM
Dec 11th 2003, 3:13 pm
#124
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Ah well, my sons who grew up here and moved to Colorado tell me that
there are no decent chilis grown in Colorado, they come here in the fall
to get their supply. Basic Spanish restaurant meal here (again,
remember we call it Spanish, not Mexican, sounds much higher class) is:
Corn tortillas
Onions
Pinto beans (refried in lard)
Generic yellow cheese
Chili (preferably Sandia's, but Barker's are even better)
Pepsi Cola
Now I understand that there are abominations of this basic recipe that
even include such items as fish, but what would you expect of the left
coast. If it ain't the above, it ain't real. And truth be told you can
eliminate the tortillas and cheese and get to the basics: chili, beans,
onions, pepsi.
Forgot to mention, the above is served with corn tortilla chips (corn
tortillas quartered and deep fried in lard) and salsa.
Basic salsa recipe:
3-4 tomatoes (preferably a meaty, acidic variety such as Manalucie,
Rutgers, or Heinz)
6-8 jalapeno peppers (or 2-3 Barker chilis)
1 medium yellow onion (not Vidalias)
Sprig cilantro
4 cloves garlic
Dash salt
Dash chinese mustard (for that prize winning kick)
There is much discussion on which chilis to use, some preferring
serranos, piquins, pablanos, or habaneros, but the the jalapenos are
meaty and found in most any grocery store. The Barkers are larger,
fiery and meaty, but hard to find.
Olivers wrote:
>
>
> B. I've a 6 year old grand nephew living in Colorado whose knowledge of
> Mexican food is substantially greater than "randee's", who is obviously a
> transpant from a non-Hispanic culture, Buffalo/Erie, rural Wisconsin, or
> Equatorial Mars...."Spanish food", my sweet bippee... "Tex mex" in New
> Mexico? Shucks, those of us who travel the circuit would claim that the
> cuisine of the El Paso/Las Cruces/Southern New Mexico is of a style all its
> own, simply less distinguished than TexMex or New Mexico, maybe best
> described as "Bastard Chihuahua with Green Chiles".
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wf.
Wayne Flowers
Randee Greenwald
[email protected]
there are no decent chilis grown in Colorado, they come here in the fall
to get their supply. Basic Spanish restaurant meal here (again,
remember we call it Spanish, not Mexican, sounds much higher class) is:
Corn tortillas
Onions
Pinto beans (refried in lard)
Generic yellow cheese
Chili (preferably Sandia's, but Barker's are even better)
Pepsi Cola
Now I understand that there are abominations of this basic recipe that
even include such items as fish, but what would you expect of the left
coast. If it ain't the above, it ain't real. And truth be told you can
eliminate the tortillas and cheese and get to the basics: chili, beans,
onions, pepsi.
Forgot to mention, the above is served with corn tortilla chips (corn
tortillas quartered and deep fried in lard) and salsa.
Basic salsa recipe:
3-4 tomatoes (preferably a meaty, acidic variety such as Manalucie,
Rutgers, or Heinz)
6-8 jalapeno peppers (or 2-3 Barker chilis)
1 medium yellow onion (not Vidalias)
Sprig cilantro
4 cloves garlic
Dash salt
Dash chinese mustard (for that prize winning kick)
There is much discussion on which chilis to use, some preferring
serranos, piquins, pablanos, or habaneros, but the the jalapenos are
meaty and found in most any grocery store. The Barkers are larger,
fiery and meaty, but hard to find.
Olivers wrote:
>
>
> B. I've a 6 year old grand nephew living in Colorado whose knowledge of
> Mexican food is substantially greater than "randee's", who is obviously a
> transpant from a non-Hispanic culture, Buffalo/Erie, rural Wisconsin, or
> Equatorial Mars...."Spanish food", my sweet bippee... "Tex mex" in New
> Mexico? Shucks, those of us who travel the circuit would claim that the
> cuisine of the El Paso/Las Cruces/Southern New Mexico is of a style all its
> own, simply less distinguished than TexMex or New Mexico, maybe best
> described as "Bastard Chihuahua with Green Chiles".
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wf.
Wayne Flowers
Randee Greenwald
[email protected]
Dec 11th 2003, 3:41 pm
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Actually I've only seen chimichangas filled with shredded beef in this
area. They are a relatively new addition to the local menus, and many
of the older Spanish restaurants don't offer them.
Hatunen wrote:
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> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:29:00 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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> >The chimichanga is an Arizona creation, generally credited to El
> >Charro restaurant here in Tucson. Whether the fact that the
> >Gadsden Purchase separated Pima County from Old Mexico precludes
> >this being a Mexican dish even though invented by Mexicans is a
> >philosophical discussion I'd sooner avoid.
>
> BTW, when I moved to California for our 16 year stay I was
> shocked to find out what the Californians considered a
> chimichanga; rice and beans??? Ptui.
>
> ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
> * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
area. They are a relatively new addition to the local menus, and many
of the older Spanish restaurants don't offer them.
Hatunen wrote:
>
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:29:00 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >The chimichanga is an Arizona creation, generally credited to El
> >Charro restaurant here in Tucson. Whether the fact that the
> >Gadsden Purchase separated Pima County from Old Mexico precludes
> >this being a Mexican dish even though invented by Mexicans is a
> >philosophical discussion I'd sooner avoid.
>
> BTW, when I moved to California for our 16 year stay I was
> shocked to find out what the Californians considered a
> chimichanga; rice and beans??? Ptui.
>
> ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
> * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Dec 11th 2003, 4:02 pm
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Seems like the only restaurants I've seen near UC Berkeley lately are
Indian ones, that is, Asian Indian ones. Largest concentration I've
ever seen in one place (not having been to India).
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Olivers wrote:
>
>
> Station the contents of which are too horrible to set in print, while the
> tasteless brown rice on multigrain tortilla ones from near UC Berkely and
> the like give a bad name to health food.
>
> TMO
Indian ones, that is, Asian Indian ones. Largest concentration I've
ever seen in one place (not having been to India).
--
wf.
Olivers wrote:
>
>
> Station the contents of which are too horrible to set in print, while the
> tasteless brown rice on multigrain tortilla ones from near UC Berkely and
> the like give a bad name to health food.
>
> TMO
Dec 11th 2003, 4:12 pm
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Head for Amarillo, there is a place there where the steak is free if you
can eat it all in one sitting. I think it is a 40+ ounce portion. Call
it a 4 lb. Porterhouse steak.
Oh, there may be a time limit, like one hour or so.
If you are really curious and can see if I still have the name and
address of the restaurant.
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wf.
Keith M wrote:
>
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
>
> > What is it about meat? I've never been able to understand how anyone
> > can eat an entire slab of cooked meat without being nauseated.
>
> I'm a meat lover, but especially beef. Large quantities preferred. I
> generally opt for the 16oz ounce, but have never looked a 24oz
> porterhouse square-in-the-eye. There are some fine steakhouses in
> America. There are chains of Ruth Chris's and Morton's of Chicago
> located all over. Talk about great steaks. Yumm. In Las Vegas,
> which I've recently had a chance to visit, had a number of
> steakhouses, including Legasse's steak house, Delmonico's, Wolf Gang's
> Spago, Smith and Wollensky's, etc.
>
> If you don't like meat, you wouldn't like the sandwich I had for
> lunch. We made a small virginia ham last night for dinner. My wife
> made me a big fat ham sandwich today on fresh bread, with probably a
> couple 1/2inch to 1 inch slabs of meat. Yumm..
>
> Keith
can eat it all in one sitting. I think it is a 40+ ounce portion. Call
it a 4 lb. Porterhouse steak.
Oh, there may be a time limit, like one hour or so.
If you are really curious and can see if I still have the name and
address of the restaurant.
--
wf.
Keith M wrote:
>
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
>
> > What is it about meat? I've never been able to understand how anyone
> > can eat an entire slab of cooked meat without being nauseated.
>
> I'm a meat lover, but especially beef. Large quantities preferred. I
> generally opt for the 16oz ounce, but have never looked a 24oz
> porterhouse square-in-the-eye. There are some fine steakhouses in
> America. There are chains of Ruth Chris's and Morton's of Chicago
> located all over. Talk about great steaks. Yumm. In Las Vegas,
> which I've recently had a chance to visit, had a number of
> steakhouses, including Legasse's steak house, Delmonico's, Wolf Gang's
> Spago, Smith and Wollensky's, etc.
>
> If you don't like meat, you wouldn't like the sandwich I had for
> lunch. We made a small virginia ham last night for dinner. My wife
> made me a big fat ham sandwich today on fresh bread, with probably a
> couple 1/2inch to 1 inch slabs of meat. Yumm..
>
> Keith
Dec 11th 2003, 5:27 pm
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Deep Freud Moors writes:
> I would have thought a tower would have to be a boy!
Why? They are inanimate objects.
> I do wonder on what basis the gender is arrived at
> sometimes. Purely random?
In French, gender usually follows Latin roots. As for gender in Latin,
I don't know.
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> I would have thought a tower would have to be a boy!
Why? They are inanimate objects.
> I do wonder on what basis the gender is arrived at
> sometimes. Purely random?
In French, gender usually follows Latin roots. As for gender in Latin,
I don't know.
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Dec 11th 2003, 5:28 pm
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randee writes:
> As I say, we know that, but we call it Spanish, sounds much higher class
> to say you are going to get some Spanish food for lunch than to say you
> are going out for Mexican.
Not after you've tasted Spanish food. Mexican sounds good after that.
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> As I say, we know that, but we call it Spanish, sounds much higher class
> to say you are going to get some Spanish food for lunch than to say you
> are going out for Mexican.
Not after you've tasted Spanish food. Mexican sounds good after that.
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Dec 11th 2003, 7:18 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>> I would have thought a tower would have to be a boy!
>Why? They are inanimate objects.
sigh.
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>> I would have thought a tower would have to be a boy!
>Why? They are inanimate objects.
sigh.
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"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Dec 11th 2003, 7:18 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>> Hint: Spain is not a synonym of Mexico, as Spanish is not a synonym of
>> Mexican, either.
>From what little I've seen of Spanish cuisine (which is not very
>extensive, apparently),
this is incorrect
> it has almost no similarities with Mexican
>cuisine.
This is correct
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Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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>> Hint: Spain is not a synonym of Mexico, as Spanish is not a synonym of
>> Mexican, either.
>From what little I've seen of Spanish cuisine (which is not very
>extensive, apparently),
this is incorrect
> it has almost no similarities with Mexican
>cuisine.
This is correct
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
and same for Spain at "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Dec 11th 2003, 7:18 pm
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Following up to randee
>Heh, yes I've heard that too. I've heard that really hot curries are in
>fact easily as hot as any salsa. Only Indian restaurant near here is
>about 60 miles away. Come to think of it I don't recall seeing any
>Indian restaurants when we were in northern Italy this year, altho we
>did see one or two Chinese restaurants.
There arent any as far as I know. Try India, Pakistan or UK. A
Phall tends to be very hot in UK. In India and Pakistan they
probably have a more sensible approach to chillis.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
and same for Spain at "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>Heh, yes I've heard that too. I've heard that really hot curries are in
>fact easily as hot as any salsa. Only Indian restaurant near here is
>about 60 miles away. Come to think of it I don't recall seeing any
>Indian restaurants when we were in northern Italy this year, altho we
>did see one or two Chinese restaurants.
There arent any as far as I know. Try India, Pakistan or UK. A
Phall tends to be very hot in UK. In India and Pakistan they
probably have a more sensible approach to chillis.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
and same for Spain at "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Dec 11th 2003, 7:47 pm
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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje
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> Not after you've tasted Spanish food. Mexican sounds good after that.
Have you ever been in Spain? If it's so, it seems an unlucky choice of
restaurants. Anyway, if you think that Spanish cuisine is not extensive,
then it's clear that you are quite uninformed on it and so have to be taken
your opinions on that matter.
news:[email protected]...
> Not after you've tasted Spanish food. Mexican sounds good after that.
Have you ever been in Spain? If it's so, it seems an unlucky choice of
restaurants. Anyway, if you think that Spanish cuisine is not extensive,
then it's clear that you are quite uninformed on it and so have to be taken
your opinions on that matter.
Dec 11th 2003, 7:49 pm
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"randee" <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje
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> As I say, we know that, but we call it Spanish, sounds much higher class
> to say you are going to get some Spanish food for lunch than to say you
> are going out for Mexican.
Just wanted you to know that Spanish and Mexican food have very few in
common. Once you know that, call them as you like.
news:[email protected]...
> As I say, we know that, but we call it Spanish, sounds much higher class
> to say you are going to get some Spanish food for lunch than to say you
> are going out for Mexican.
Just wanted you to know that Spanish and Mexican food have very few in
common. Once you know that, call them as you like.
Dec 11th 2003, 7:52 pm
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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje
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> I was under the impression that chichi was slang for breast in the
> distorted dialect of Spanish spoken near the border, but perhaps my
> memory is failing.
Curious. In Spanish from Spain slang, 'chichi' (or 'chocho') means ****.
news:[email protected]...
> I was under the impression that chichi was slang for breast in the
> distorted dialect of Spanish spoken near the border, but perhaps my
> memory is failing.
Curious. In Spanish from Spain slang, 'chichi' (or 'chocho') means ****.
