Earl Evleth

Since Maxi expressed a deep love for McDonalds, where he can eat fast
and alone, I thought I would look up what the offerings are.

http://www.americanshowparis.com/ann..._parisien.html

Gives a list,most of the places I don`t know

NATACHA Métro: Raspail
17 bis, rue Campagne Première

(sounds Russian)

Chicago Pizza Pie Factory
Métro: George V
5 rue de Berri

(heard of it, never eaten there)


Planet Hollywood

Métro: Franklin D. Roosevelt
78 av. des Champs-Elysées
Paris (8ème)

(heard of it, never eaten there)


T.G.I. Friday's
Métro: Grands Boulevards
8 bd Montmartre
Paris (9ème)

(heard of it, never eaten there)



Bagel Place
Métro: Châtelet - Les Halles
6 place Sainte-Opportune
Paris (1er)

(I hate Bagels)


Chicago Meatpacker's

Métro: Les Halles
8 rue Coquillière
Paris (1er)

(took somebody there, once)


Joe Allen
Métro: Etienne Marcel
30 rue Pierre-Lescot
Paris (1er)

(Joe`s has been around for years, since the 1970s if I remember.
I took our French secretaries there once just for fun)

Â

Thanksgiving
Métro: Sully Morland
14 rue Charles V
Paris (4ème)

(eaten there once or twice, they do Lousiana crawfish)


Haynes
Métro: Saint Georges
3 rue Clauzel
Paris (9ème)

(this is the oldest around since the 1920s I think. It is mentioned
in "Paris Noir" by Stovall, who does a history on American Blacks
in Paris)


Coffee Parisien
Métro: Mabillon
4 rue Princesse
Paris (6ème)

(Curious, nearly in our neigbhorhood and I have sort of heard of it)


Coffee Saint Germain
Métro: Saint Germain des Prés
5 rue Perronet
Paris (7ème)

(also in the neigbhorhood and I have never heard of it).

There are a some Tex-Mex not on this list. Like Susan's. My philisophy
is to eat American Mexican type food in the USA when we visit the USA.

I think the French attitude towards American restaurants is that
they find them amusing to eat at. Some French have traveled
a bit and so it is nostalgic to have an American meal now and then.
Judging from the raw materials offered in some French markets for making
"Mexican" type plates some French must like the stuff. I personally love
well prepared enchiladas.

Earl

Mxsmanic

Earl Evleth writes:

    > Chicago Pizza Pie Factory
    > Métro: George V
    > 5 rue de Berri
    >
    > (heard of it, never eaten there)

I almost ate there once, but the loud music coming from inside and the
bouncers at the door told us that it wasn't the type of "restaurant"
we'd like.

    > Planet Hollywood
    >
    > Métro: Franklin D. Roosevelt
    > 78 av. des Champs-Elysées
    > Paris (8ème)
    >
    > (heard of it, never eaten there)

I've eaten there many times. It used to be very popular. Today it
isn't, but it is still more popular in France than it is in the U.S.

There's one at Disney Village, too.

    > T.G.I. Friday's
    > Métro: Grands Boulevards
    > 8 bd Montmartre
    > Paris (9ème)
    >
    > (heard of it, never eaten there)

It was good while it lasted. It has been replaced by a bad French
wannabe imitation of an American restaurant, which I predict will fail.

    > Bagel Place
    > Métro: Châtelet - Les Halles
    > 6 place Sainte-Opportune
    > Paris (1er)
    >
    > (I hate Bagels)

The bagels are very good. Cream cheese and other stuff to put on them
as well. They used to have several stores, but some closed. The one
you mention is still open.

    > Chicago Meatpacker's
    >
    > Métro: Les Halles
    > 8 rue Coquillière
    > Paris (1er)
    >
    > (took somebody there, once)

I'm not fond of meat. I've never been there.

    > Joe Allen
    > Métro: Etienne Marcel
    > 30 rue Pierre-Lescot
    > Paris (1er)
    >
    > (Joe`s has been around for years, since the 1970s if I remember.
    > I took our French secretaries there once just for fun)

Never been there, but I've heard of it.

    > Thanksgiving
    > Métro: Sully Morland
    > 14 rue Charles V
    > Paris (4ème)
    >
    > (eaten there once or twice, they do Lousiana crawfish)

I've bought stuff at their store, but I've never been in the restaurant.

    > Haynes
    > Métro: Saint Georges
    > 3 rue Clauzel
    > Paris (9ème)
    >
    > (this is the oldest around since the 1920s I think. It is mentioned
    > in "Paris Noir" by Stovall, who does a history on American Blacks
    > in Paris)

I've walked past it; it doesn't look very inviting, and it is very
small.

    > Coffee Parisien
    > Métro: Mabillon
    > 4 rue Princesse
    > Paris (6ème)
    >
    > (Curious, nearly in our neigbhorhood and I have sort of heard of it)

A trendy place for people cruising for dates (or on dates). There are
lots of similar places on that street. There's an American bookstore
there, too.

    > Coffee Saint Germain
    > Métro: Saint Germain des Prés
    > 5 rue Perronet
    > Paris (7ème)
    >
    > (also in the neigbhorhood and I have never heard of it).

That street is way off the beaten track. I don't recall this
restaurant, but I can't remember the last time I was down that street.

    > There are a some Tex-Mex not on this list. Like Susan's.
    > My philisophy is to eat American Mexican type food
    > in the USA when we visit the USA.

Decent Tex-Mex is almost impossible to find in Paris. Oddly enough, the
place where you illegally take your dog had a stand that used to sell
tamales (the only place in Paris I ever found that did), but last time I
checked they no longer had them. They weren't like the ones I enjoyed
in the U.S., though.

    > I think the French attitude towards American restaurants is that
    > they find them amusing to eat at. Some French have traveled
    > a bit and so it is nostalgic to have an American meal now and then.

American places are much more popular with French people who have never
set foot in the U.S.

    > I personally love well prepared enchiladas.

Café Pacifico is pretty good. The various Indiana Cafés are okay. I
don't remember the Mustang Café (which is a bad sign, I guess). There's
a place called Azteca near the Forum (still there, I think) that is
pretty bad. ChiChis is okay. I can't find tamales anywhere, though.

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Allen Windhorn

Mxsmanic <[email protected]> writes:

    > Earl Evleth writes:
    >
    > ...
    > > Planet Hollywood
    > >
    > > Métro: Franklin D. Roosevelt
    > > 78 av. des Champs-Elysées
    > > Paris (8ème)
    > >
    > > (heard of it, never eaten there)
    >
    > I've eaten there many times. It used to be very popular. Today it
    > isn't, but it is still more popular in France than it is in the U.S.

What about Hard Rock Cafe?

    > ...
    > > Coffee Parisien
    > > Métro: Mabillon
    > > 4 rue Princesse
    > > Paris (6ème)
    > >
    > > (Curious, nearly in our neigbhorhood and I have sort of heard of it)
    >
    > A trendy place for people cruising for dates (or on dates). There are
    > lots of similar places on that street. There's an American bookstore
    > there, too.

I think that's "Tea and Tattered Pages;" if so, they have good food
too. We had Thanksgiving dinner there once, with all the fixings.

Regards,
Allen

Mxsmanic

Allen Windhorn writes:

    > What about Hard Rock Cafe?

Not sure. I haven't been to a U.S. Hard Rock in years. Are they still
doing okay? The one in Paris does well enough. I've never cared for
the place or for the food, although the Paris Hard Rock used to have a
beautiful stained-glass window inside. It seems to be popular with the
over-40 or even the over-50 crowd, mainly. I know that some people ask
for directions to it, so it still has fans.

    > I think that's "Tea and Tattered Pages;" if so, they have good food
    > too. We had Thanksgiving dinner there once, with all the fixings.

Not this place. It's called the Village Voice Bookshop, and it doesn't
include a restaurant. Tea and Tattered Pages is on the rue Mayet, way
down closer to Montparnasse. I've passed the place, but I've never gone
inside.

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Javaman

Earl Evleth wrote:
    > Since Maxi expressed a deep love for McDonalds, where he can eat fast
    > and alone, I thought I would look up what the offerings are.
Snipped...

No offense, but when I go anywhere in Europe, the last place I would want
to eat is McDonalds. I don't even like them in the U.S.

There are so many FANTASTIC places to eat and things to try, local
specialities!!

I guess if you had kids who were really homesick you could take them there,
and
I do admit to buying coffee in McDonalds in Berlin and also at the Burger
King
in Amsterdam's Centraal Station, but I wouldn't want to eat anything from
there.

But, to each their own!

Javaman in Seattle
(Absolutely CRAVING the wonderful Döner kebaps in Germany. YUMYUMYUM)

Jesper Lauridsen

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:52:14 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I'm not fond of meat. I've never been there.

Ah, your fondness for McDonalds explained.

Casey

    > No offense, but when I go anywhere in Europe, the last place I
    > would want to eat is McDonalds. I don't even like them in the U.S.

First, I want to say that I appreciate Earl's post. I like to have
options.

That said, I agree with you, especially for Paris. Cafes are every-
where, and usually great for lunch.

But let's not forget the great value of McDonalds: toilets! I will
often seek out a McDonalds in a strange city because I know I can
use the toilet with only a purchase of a coke. Usually the door
requires a coin, but the staff can give you a slug that will work.


Casey

Miles

Casey wrote:
    > But let's not forget the great value of McDonalds: toilets! I will
    > often seek out a McDonalds in a strange city because I know I can
    > use the toilet with only a purchase of a coke. Usually the door
    > requires a coin, but the staff can give you a slug that will work.

Oh ya. I forgot all about pay or token use bathrooms having not
traveled much lately. In the USA pay toilets are a rarity and usually
only found in downtown areas of large cities. Even so, I have never
seen a McDonalds with pay (or token) operated bathrooms here.

Miguel Cruz

Miles <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Oh ya. I forgot all about pay or token use bathrooms having not
    > traveled much lately. In the USA pay toilets are a rarity and usually
    > only found in downtown areas of large cities. Even so, I have never
    > seen a McDonalds with pay (or token) operated bathrooms here.

18th & Columbia Road here in Washington DC. Tokens are free though.

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Mxsmanic

Casey writes:

    > But let's not forget the great value of McDonalds: toilets! I will
    > often seek out a McDonalds in a strange city because I know I can
    > use the toilet with only a purchase of a coke. Usually the door
    > requires a coin, but the staff can give you a slug that will work.

Paris has Sanisettes.

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Mxsmanic

Miles writes:

    > Even so, I have never seen a McDonalds with pay (or
    > token) operated bathrooms here.

McDonalds doesn't have pay toilets in Paris, but some stores have locked
toilets. You have to buy something to get the combination to use them.

And, unfortunately, McDonalds toilets in Paris are not that clean. The
cleanest toilets are at McClean and similar toilets in railway stations
(the new ones, not the old ones), in certain municipal toilets with
attendants, and at Disneyland Paris (although not so much as back when
Americans were running the place).

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Earl Evleth

On 9/12/03 21:12, in article [email protected], "Allen Windhorn"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > I think that's "Tea and Tattered Pages;" if so, they have good food
    > too. We had Thanksgiving dinner there once, with all the fixings.


Tea and Tattered pages is just a couple of blocks away and I do go there
for books, not to eat.

We are members of the American library and old books are available there for
even less, however. Most of our book purchases are via Amazon or locally
at FNAC, which is also nearby.

Next to "Tea and Tattered Pages" is a film rental store renting
US formated films (on videao) and also, CDs. We have a multistandard
VCR and can run anything.

I did not mention, of course, that there is a Pizza Hut restaurant (
besides the home delivery Pizza Huts). The other "major" Fast is
Kentucky Fried Chicken. There are not many in Paris and they re in the
"immigrant" quartiers. About once every couple of months we get some
"hot and spicy" to eat at home. I have noticed that the place has
a lot of African and Arab customers, not as frequented by the ethnic
French as McDonalds. On the Place Italy, Macs and Kentucky Fried
are next to one another.

But to repeat, no American restaurant is listed even as a "fork and spoon"
in the Michelin. Is this snobbery or what?

No I don`t think so, none are good enough to even make the "fork and soon"
rating, much less a star or two. Michelin does not exclude other cuisines,
so one gets Chinese, Indian, obviously Italian, Spanish, North African, even
Hungarian and British (in the 2000 guide, my later ones are in the car).
Getting to the starred status usually takes several years of effort, one
can not let up if one is in that rat race.

Earl

Reid

Following up to Earl Evleth

All the places listed so far sound to me like chain/fast food
stuff, the sort of thing I avoid. I notice the discussion has
descended to the cleanliness of the toilets, little mention of
food! :-)
Wife saw a friend last night, has just come back from States,
complaining about the food. This is thirdhand now, but paraphrase
would be something like "steak, steak and more steak with side
salads, left dying for some simply steamed vegetables, gunky
sweet sauces/relishes on everything." New England was the area,
what were they doing wrong? (they are not the first to say
something like that, so not just a loony).

and is there an example of a *good* US restaurant in Europe, if
such a concept as "US restaurant" is possible (what would it
sell)?

The Haynes place sounds as if it might be decent? Is it?

We have in London:-
Texas Embassy
Planet Hollywood
TGIF
Hardrock Cafe
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Reid

Following up to Earl Evleth

    >No I don`t think so, none are good enough to even make the "fork and soon"
    >rating, much less a star or two. Michelin does not exclude other cuisines,
    >so one gets Chinese, Indian, obviously Italian, Spanish, North African, even
    >Hungarian and British (in the 2000 guide, my later ones are in the car).

I think there is a little pro French bias in Michelin, but its to
be expected I suppose. IIRC its only recently they awarded stars
to Indian food. The Basques do very well. Here in London its as
fashionable to refuse Michelin stars as it is to refuse
decorations :-) In Spain I use the home grown Gourmettour rather
than Michelin and in UK my nose.

One thing confuses me in your post, one minute you talk of fast
food outlets, next of Michelin stars. To repeat my other post
what are the quality US restaurants overseas, I'm looking for
"Gordon Ramsey" or "The Ivy", not the equiv of a fish and chip
shop :-)
If you have a minute I would be interested to know which British
French restaurant is in your guide.
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Earl Evleth

On 10/12/03 10:22, in article [email protected],
"Reid" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Following up to Earl Evleth
    >
    >> No I don`t think so, none are good enough to even make the "fork and spoon"
    >> rating, much less a star or two. Michelin does not exclude other cuisines,
    >> so one gets Chinese, Indian, obviously Italian, Spanish, North African, even
    >> Hungarian and British (in the 2000 guide, my later ones are in the car).
    >
    > I think there is a little pro French bias in Michelin, but its to
    > be expected I suppose. IIRC its only recently they awarded stars
    > to Indian food. The Basques do very well. Here in London its as
    > fashionable to refuse Michelin stars as it is to refuse
    > decorations :-) In Spain I use the home grown Gourmettour rather
    > than Michelin and in UK my nose.

There are other guides in France besides the Michelin, and some
of them are oriented towards less expensive places.

I know of a lot of places in Paris not in the Michelin.
But with regard to not including American places, they
rate pretty well along the lines I would rate.

Since we go to the US yearly, I wait to eat American food
in the US. If anything, it has been improving, the bottom
was reached years ago.


    > One thing confuses me in your post, one minute you talk of fast
    > food outlets, next of Michelin stars.

I wander.


    > To repeat my other post
    > what are the quality US restaurants overseas, I'm looking for
    > "Gordon Ramsey" or "The Ivy", not the equiv of a fish and chip
    > shop :-)
    > If you have a minute I would be interested to know which British
    > French restaurant is in your guide.

This is the 2000 guide, so a bit old, they had "Bertie's" which
I have never been too, at the Hotel Baltimore in the 16th.
I don`t recall seeing in in later guides but they are in the car.

I must admit that I do not know what is typical "British food".
I think roasted meats would do well, like a roast beef rolled
out on a cart and a slice cut off on the spot. Simpson`s
on the Strand did this (one had to tip the carver) but I don`t
know if carved meats are still served up like that in Britain.

This use to occur in the US. Lowry`s in the Hollywood area
use to have it, the I remember the "House of Prime Rib in
San Francisco. But I fear this has disappeared from American
restaurants in the USA. I like roast lamb and a nice slice of
Virgina Ham too. But where, or where does this exist anymore?

Any help from the American side of the Atlantic.

We will be in Miami in January, our daughter knows a great
place for stone crab and one of the best Dim Sum places I have
eaten at in the States.

Earl