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Step by Step - Arrival in Portugal

Old Mar 2nd 2018, 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by Diddion View Post
My understanding is that interest, dividends and gains on shares do not qualify for NHR, so I fear that you’ll be in for a hefty tax bill, I’m afraid. I think you are looking at a figure of 28%........
Not quite. Interest is capped at 10% and dividends at 15% by the DTA. If these are paid to you from the UK then NHR will give you exemption as the DTA gives UK rights to the tax.

CGT however is different. According to the DTA only Portugal has taxing rights to it so NHR will give no relief. You will pay the same as local Portuguese at 28% with no deductions or exclusion amount.

This you can take as fact as the above has been my only income for 3 years and even though I have NHR status i have paid tax as per my explanation.
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Old Mar 2nd 2018, 10:01 am
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Originally Posted by JohnsonN View Post
And the interesting part is that just few hours ago one nice lawyer (100€ per hour and luxury office with sea view ) told me that WILL BE 0%
Strange. My nice Cross Border Tax Lawyer in Porto said it is 28% as did my Master Tax Consultant who confirmed it at the AT office in Lisbon.
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Old Mar 2nd 2018, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by Ukkram View Post
Strange. My nice Cross Border Tax Lawyer in Porto said it is 28% as did my Master Tax Consultant who confirmed it at the AT office in Lisbon.
Unfortunately you are right. I was badly wanted to find some hope, but not. DDT USA-Portugal says that selling shares i will have to pay to my country of residence. So no hope anymore better find "better" place to live
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Netherlands has no capital gains tax, but does have a brutal [defacto] wealth tax. So move there, sell your shares, then move on.
Monaco is great for tax they say, but a broom closet there will cost you as much as a big villa in Portugal or Spain.
Cyprus is good for some types of income. It's al in the details.

You could buy a yacht and just keep moving I suppose.
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When my tax loss is used up I will be relocating.

Belgium 0%

Croatia 12%

Isle of Man 0%

Poland 19%

Spain 23%

UK £11,100 annual exemption
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Originally Posted by Ukkram View Post
UK £11,100 annual exemption
You get a personal allowance and some other rebates if resident and not in the NHR regime in Portugal, too.

From your previous posts it sounds as though you might be getting the worst of all worlds at the moment.

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You get a personal allowance and some other rebates if resident and not in the NHR regime in Portugal, too.

From your previous posts it sounds as though you might be getting the worst of all worlds at the moment.
Yes, i was mislead by few real estate agents and few lawyers. I was thinking about Malta, but now it is better to avoid any rush with decisions.
Basically my only income is dividends and then in 1-2 years i amgoing to sell my shares.
And yes, yacht would be a nice idea, but my kids have to be at school )))
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Monaco is too expensive for a large family
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Old Mar 2nd 2018, 12:45 pm
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Yes, i was mislead by few real estate agents and few lawyers. I was thinking about Malta, but now it is better to avoid any rush with decisions.
Basically my only income is dividends and then in 1-2 years i amgoing to sell my shares.
And yes, yacht would be a nice idea, but my kids have to be at school )))
Too many ,far too many have been misled by estate agents claims.
If NHR is your only reason to move then take expert advice before even starting the property search..
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Too many ,far too many have been misled by estate agents claims.
If NHR is your only reason to move then take expert advice before even starting the property search..
Haha too late
And another news from our local army of lawyers. On today's consultation I was told that i can sell my shares in the USA and keep them there in the bank. And i will not have to declare anything bcs money didn't cross the border. Hmm
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Haha too late
And another news from our local army of lawyers. On today's consultation I was told that i can sell my shares in the USA and keep them there in the bank. And i will not have to declare anything bcs money didn't cross the border. Hmm
How will you account for your income on your PT tax return.
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Old Mar 2nd 2018, 4:11 pm
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How will you account for your income on your PT tax return.
They suggest not to declare bcs i am a foreigner resident and if i have money outside- this is my own business..
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Haha too late
And another news from our local army of lawyers. On today's consultation I was told that i can sell my shares in the USA and keep them there in the bank. And i will not have to declare anything bcs money didn't cross the border. Hmm
No no no my boy. It does not work like that. If you sell your shares and the money is made available to you then it is a tax event whether you keep the money in the US bank or not.

If you do not declare it in the year of sale one day you will have to and provide details and proof of purchase price and the sale price. The Sale Contract Note will show the date of sale and you will pay a penalty plus interest.

You have to declare your worldwide assets to the country of residence. Full stop. YOU my boy have sooo much to learn about life.

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They suggest not to declare bcs i am a foreigner resident and if i have money outside- this is my own business..

Oh if life was only that simple.
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Guys, i am totally agree with you. The issue is that it was the answer of the lawer!! And i keep going, just want to find the one who knows the truth
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