New Zealand or Australia
Jul 28th 2004, 11:35 am
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Originally posted by bondipom
No Blue Bottles at Bondi, apparently they hang out at Manly when the water is 21c and there is an offshore wind.
No Blue Bottles at Bondi, apparently they hang out at Manly when the water is 21c and there is an offshore wind.
Jul 28th 2004, 6:52 pm
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Re: New Zealand or Australia
Originally posted by Kiwilamb
Has anyone made the move across the Tasman? Would it be an improvement or 'out of the frying pan into the fire'?
Has anyone made the move across the Tasman? Would it be an improvement or 'out of the frying pan into the fire'?
Wages in NZ are appalling.
Jul 28th 2004, 6:57 pm
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Re: New Zealand or Australia
Originally posted by The Don
Wages in NZ are appalling.
Wages in NZ are appalling.
I suspect you are 'Blowing in the wind'.
To continue the Dylan Theme :
'There are none so blind as those who will not see'
Best wishes
G
Jul 28th 2004, 7:08 pm
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Re: New Zealand or Australia
Originally posted by Grayling
Don
I suspect you are 'Blowing in the wind'.
To continue the Dylan Theme :
'There are none so blind as those who will not see'
Best wishes
G
Don
I suspect you are 'Blowing in the wind'.
To continue the Dylan Theme :
'There are none so blind as those who will not see'
Best wishes
G
To earn GBP50,000 pa is remarkable and quite rare.
Our GBP8,000 1996 Surf was seen as a rich guy's car!
The Economist has (2002) GDP per head (USD) as:
UK 24,390
Aus 21,270
NZ 14,300
and at PPP where USA = 100
UK 69.6
Aus 74.7
NZ 55.2
Wages really ARE appalling in NZ.
Jul 28th 2004, 7:14 pm
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Re: New Zealand or Australia
Originally posted by The Don
Not really. To earn GBP30,000 pa in NZ is noteworthy - small company boss, senior mgr in big company, senior lecturer.
To earn GBP50,000 pa is remarkable and quite rare.
Our GBP8,000 1996 Surf was seen as a rich guy's car!
The Economist has (2002) GDP per head (USD) as:
UK 24,390
Aus 21,270
NZ 14,300
and at PPP where USA = 100
UK 69.6
Aus 74.7
NZ 55.2
Wages really ARE appalling in NZ.
Not really. To earn GBP30,000 pa in NZ is noteworthy - small company boss, senior mgr in big company, senior lecturer.
To earn GBP50,000 pa is remarkable and quite rare.
Our GBP8,000 1996 Surf was seen as a rich guy's car!
The Economist has (2002) GDP per head (USD) as:
UK 24,390
Aus 21,270
NZ 14,300
and at PPP where USA = 100
UK 69.6
Aus 74.7
NZ 55.2
Wages really ARE appalling in NZ.
NZ is not really a country to move to unless you are too depressed to not care.
G
Jul 28th 2004, 10:03 pm
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As podgy possum writes not everybody leaves their place of origin because they hate it. We left as we wanted to see and experience a different part of the world. And having done that and spent 2 yrs in Auckland and 10 yrs in London I feel that I am qualified to make an observation on the standard of life. You are sooo mistaken if you think everybody who leaves the UK does so because they hate their life.
Jul 29th 2004, 10:27 pm
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Hey PP and Hubbard, sorry didn't mean to sound angry.
I love NZ and wellington guess just being defensive about my home. Having moved around a lot myself and living in London (Islington, wished I bought a house there!) I know that there are nice places in England and UK. There are fantastic places every where and crap ones everywhere. Basically in life we do the same things in our every day live, getting kids to school, washing clothes etc.
But at the end of the day Hubbard, if you are not happy in NZ just leave as you are just going to be unhappy and not going to be a happy person to be around.
As far as wages, as IT contractors we did well in NZ, remember the cost of living is not the same. We spend as much on food a fortnight as we did a month in NZ and my gym membership per month is the same as 6 months in NZ. It is all relative and NZ despite Helen C is still a great place to be.
Before you ask why don't I go back, if I could at this time I would.
Kaz
I love NZ and wellington guess just being defensive about my home. Having moved around a lot myself and living in London (Islington, wished I bought a house there!) I know that there are nice places in England and UK. There are fantastic places every where and crap ones everywhere. Basically in life we do the same things in our every day live, getting kids to school, washing clothes etc.
But at the end of the day Hubbard, if you are not happy in NZ just leave as you are just going to be unhappy and not going to be a happy person to be around.
As far as wages, as IT contractors we did well in NZ, remember the cost of living is not the same. We spend as much on food a fortnight as we did a month in NZ and my gym membership per month is the same as 6 months in NZ. It is all relative and NZ despite Helen C is still a great place to be.
Before you ask why don't I go back, if I could at this time I would.
Kaz
Jul 30th 2004, 11:42 am
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Aussie or NZ
I have lived in both and definitely believe Aussie is way ahead of NZ. Im a Brit so compare both to Uk. Opportunities for families, kids, wage earners , wives etc are much more apparent in aussie than NZ. Just the arithmetic makes it obvious - NZ 4million people and infastructure required across the entire country - aussie 20 million with more resources by far for infastructure.
Infastructure includes education, universities, health etc but also just the recreational facilites and their quality. The list is endless and the vast majority is in aussies favour.
But like any country it depends upon location - Broken Hill in deep NSW will be on a par say with Napier or greymouth so go for the larger centres or growth centres - Sydney, Gold coast etc.
Whatever NZ has and that includes scenery and Rugby Aussie has it, has it more and has it better (maybe not Rugby right now)
Infastructure includes education, universities, health etc but also just the recreational facilites and their quality. The list is endless and the vast majority is in aussies favour.
But like any country it depends upon location - Broken Hill in deep NSW will be on a par say with Napier or greymouth so go for the larger centres or growth centres - Sydney, Gold coast etc.
Whatever NZ has and that includes scenery and Rugby Aussie has it, has it more and has it better (maybe not Rugby right now)
Jul 30th 2004, 11:55 pm
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Re: New Zealand or Australia
Originally posted by The Don
Not really. To earn GBP30,000 pa in NZ is noteworthy - small company boss, senior mgr in big company, senior lecturer.
To earn GBP50,000 pa is remarkable and quite rare.
Our GBP8,000 1996 Surf was seen as a rich guy's car!
The Economist has (2002) GDP per head (USD) as:
UK 24,390
Aus 21,270
NZ 14,300
and at PPP where USA = 100
UK 69.6
Aus 74.7
NZ 55.2
Wages really ARE appalling in NZ.
Not really. To earn GBP30,000 pa in NZ is noteworthy - small company boss, senior mgr in big company, senior lecturer.
To earn GBP50,000 pa is remarkable and quite rare.
Our GBP8,000 1996 Surf was seen as a rich guy's car!
The Economist has (2002) GDP per head (USD) as:
UK 24,390
Aus 21,270
NZ 14,300
and at PPP where USA = 100
UK 69.6
Aus 74.7
NZ 55.2
Wages really ARE appalling in NZ.
that may be so for those working 9-5 for someone else or the standard employee, however, the profit margins are the same here as they are in most other places in the world.The big difference here is people are not as sharp in business and theres nothing like the competition that there is in the UK.For anyone with bright ideas and a go get it atitiude theres no reason why you can't make a very good income.For that reason alone NZ is brilliant.....and then there's the scenery.Not many people here in NZ have the approach to business as they do in the UK and that is a huge advantage to any wannabe self employed/employer who comes here from Blighty.
Aug 1st 2004, 8:02 am
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Re: New Zealand or Australia
Originally posted by deedee
that may be so for those working 9-5 for someone else or the standard employee, however, the profit margins are the same here as they are in most other places in the world.The big difference here is people are not as sharp in business and theres nothing like the competition that there is in the UK.For anyone with bright ideas and a go get it atitiude theres no reason why you can't make a very good income.For that reason alone NZ is brilliant.....and then there's the scenery.Not many people here in NZ have the approach to business as they do in the UK and that is a huge advantage to any wannabe self employed/employer who comes here from Blighty.
that may be so for those working 9-5 for someone else or the standard employee, however, the profit margins are the same here as they are in most other places in the world.The big difference here is people are not as sharp in business and theres nothing like the competition that there is in the UK.For anyone with bright ideas and a go get it atitiude theres no reason why you can't make a very good income.For that reason alone NZ is brilliant.....and then there's the scenery.Not many people here in NZ have the approach to business as they do in the UK and that is a huge advantage to any wannabe self employed/employer who comes here from Blighty.
Plus the way capital gains on buy-to-lets are subsidised (rental properties) is a bit of a gift too.
Aug 1st 2004, 8:05 am
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Re: Aussie or NZ
Originally posted by pompeymike
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it and I respect that. My opinion is that you would be hard pushed to find better scenery than NZ anywhere else in the world let alone Australia, I too have lived in both countries and travelled around a lot so I'm just as well qualified to say that as you are.
Mike
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it and I respect that. My opinion is that you would be hard pushed to find better scenery than NZ anywhere else in the world let alone Australia, I too have lived in both countries and travelled around a lot so I'm just as well qualified to say that as you are.
Mike
But there are plenty of other places with magnificent 'equivalents'. Eg:
The mountain scenery of Andalucia
The European Alps
Rainforests of QLD
The Masif Central (France)
Even bits of Wales and Scotland!
Aug 1st 2004, 9:28 am
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Re: Aussie or NZ
Originally posted by The Don
NZ scenery is magnificent and very varied, you'd be hard pushed to find so much in so little a space elsewhere.
But there are plenty of other places with magnificent 'equivalents'. Eg:
The mountain scenery of Andalucia
The European Alps
Rainforests of QLD
The Masif Central (France)
Even bits of Wales and Scotland!
NZ scenery is magnificent and very varied, you'd be hard pushed to find so much in so little a space elsewhere.
But there are plenty of other places with magnificent 'equivalents'. Eg:
The mountain scenery of Andalucia
The European Alps
Rainforests of QLD
The Masif Central (France)
Even bits of Wales and Scotland!
Aug 1st 2004, 9:42 am
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Re: New Zealand or Australia
Originally posted by deedee
that may be so for those working 9-5 for someone else or the standard employee, however, the profit margins are the same here as they are in most other places in the world.The big difference here is people are not as sharp in business and theres nothing like the competition that there is in the UK.For anyone with bright ideas and a go get it atitiude theres no reason why you can't make a very good income.For that reason alone NZ is brilliant.....and then there's the scenery.Not many people here in NZ have the approach to business as they do in the UK and that is a huge advantage to any wannabe self employed/employer who comes here from Blighty.
that may be so for those working 9-5 for someone else or the standard employee, however, the profit margins are the same here as they are in most other places in the world.The big difference here is people are not as sharp in business and theres nothing like the competition that there is in the UK.For anyone with bright ideas and a go get it atitiude theres no reason why you can't make a very good income.For that reason alone NZ is brilliant.....and then there's the scenery.Not many people here in NZ have the approach to business as they do in the UK and that is a huge advantage to any wannabe self employed/employer who comes here from Blighty.
To use a farming analogy - higher and more predictable rainfall in French relative to Australian wheat growing areas results in higher yields per hectare but the price of land French land is also higher so profit margins are similar.
Wheat Yield, tonnes per hectare:
French: ~8.0
Australian: ~2.0
Wheat Area, Yield, and Production - World and Selected Countries and Regions
Smaller economies favour generalists over specialists.
Aug 1st 2004, 3:17 pm
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Re: New Zealand or Australia
Originally posted by Megalania
The margins similar, volume smaller, drought of opportunities.
To use a farming analogy - higher and more predictable rainfall in French relative to Australian wheat growing areas results in higher yields per hectare but the price of land French land is also higher so profit margins are similar.
Wheat Yield, tonnes per hectare:
French: ~8.0
Australian: ~2.0
Wheat Area, Yield, and Production - World and Selected Countries and Regions
Smaller economies favour generalists over specialists.
The margins similar, volume smaller, drought of opportunities.
To use a farming analogy - higher and more predictable rainfall in French relative to Australian wheat growing areas results in higher yields per hectare but the price of land French land is also higher so profit margins are similar.
Wheat Yield, tonnes per hectare:
French: ~8.0
Australian: ~2.0
Wheat Area, Yield, and Production - World and Selected Countries and Regions
Smaller economies favour generalists over specialists.
Aug 1st 2004, 5:12 pm
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Re: New Zealand or Australia
Originally posted by MikeStanton
No they don't - unless they are inwardly focussed. Some of the world's most successful small economies - eg Luxembourg, Switzerland, Singapore - have become so by specialising and exporting their services to the world. Oz needs to think less 'farms' and more 'business'.
No they don't - unless they are inwardly focussed. Some of the world's most successful small economies - eg Luxembourg, Switzerland, Singapore - have become so by specialising and exporting their services to the world. Oz needs to think less 'farms' and more 'business'.
They can develop the 'Gateway to Asia' idea a bit, throw in a bit of research + technology, but, despite the obvious attractions of certain possibilities - such as being in the right place at the right time (dead of night for Europe/ America) for call centres - Australia is still too distant and not as cheap on labour as many other places.
How many car/ white goods/ etc companies manufacture in Aus and export to the ROW?